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Topic: Which aspect indicate people who want marriage and those who are commitment phobes?
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Gabby
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posted May 01, 2013 09:41 PM
  
I know the 5th house in gemini or saggy maybe aquarius to tend to be a bit hard to pin down....esp if they have any planets there.
I have an aqua 5th house, its empty tho! I need alot of alone time, and it takes me along time to feel someone is really someone i would want forever. Until im completely committed, in love and have know i have found the one....until then im always going back n forth wondering what i feel for them....but with my 8th house taurus i eventually get to where i want and need someone close and go with it and stay with it!Ive known 2 gemini mars in 5th gemini house, they were eternally single, never settle down type guys...but 8th house in virgo allowed them to be so picky they felt justified because nobody was ever good enough. Recently met a taurus 5th house guy with his juno and saturn in his 5th...hed been married 4 times and had numerous children. He had no issue marrying people, even if he knew it was just an affair he would marry them because he got so lost in love...but it wasn't enough to keep him faithful!
His 8th was in leo...he needed ALOT of attention if someone wasn't giving him enough attention and compliments he went elsewhere!
His vertex was in his 8th house also...i guess thats not good for relationships either! IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 02, 2013 07:46 AM
There are lots of things to consider..
First of all, elements. Fixed energy is usually more comfortable with commitment. Mutable energy would rather be - or *feel* - free, especially on the ASC/DSC axis.Then there's the condition of the DSC ruler. Where it's placed, how it's aspected. If the DSC or the DSC ruler are stressed, there may be negative associations with relationships. If the Moon is afflicted, family life/emotional closeness can lead to negative responses, probably coming from past conditioning. Nodes in the 1st/7th houses can be problematic for relationships, also (karma related to self vs other). Uranus may find the idea of marriage or long-lasting commitment obsolete or scary. Saturn may be too afraid of responsibilities and intimacy, and Neptune may have impossible standards / unrealistic visions. Pluto may be destructive and way too dramatic for long-term relationships. In a nutshell. One thing I've noticed is that usually people with Moon in the 7th house are very relationship-oriented: their sense of security lies in relating to a special someone.
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I'm so cappy
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posted May 02, 2013 08:14 AM
I don't want marriage but I wouldn't call myself a commitment phobe so I don't know if I should share my placements.------------------
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Blackbird
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posted May 03, 2013 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ive known 2 gemini mars in 5th gemini house, they were eternally single, never settle down type guys...but 8th house in virgo allowed them to be so picky they felt justified because nobody was ever good enough.
I kind of feel this way. I'm picky. Well, I want fairness: I'm honest, respectful, responsible, fit, etc. I expect my partner to be the same. The pickiness may be indicated by my Venus and Mars, conjunct in Virgo, in the 8th house. My desire for balance and fairness is (probably) indicated by my stellium in the 9th house, including Mercury in Libra conjunct Pluto in Libra... which are both conjunct Sun in Scorpio and Saturn in Scorpio. I've read many, many horrible things about modern marriages and divorces, about all the unfair things that happen in divorce settlements. *If* I ever find someone that I think I could stick with... I would probably ask for a non-traditional marriage (no marriage license).
I believe the people in the relationship should ask themselves, and each other:
What is commitment? What is marriage?
I also have 4 t-squares, involving the Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Uranus. I'm sure all that stuff is indicated somewhere, somehow in my attitudes and perceptions... but I'm not sure how, exactly.
Oh, and because that wonderful *cough* stellium is square to my Ascendant, in Capricorn... I can't seem to "be myself", to present a good image to other people. The best I can do, most of the time, is a forced, professional smile and handshake, and dry job-interview type discussion. And that's when someone manages to pry any words out of me at all.
I feel like I'm too screwed up to have a "good" relationship, whatever that means.
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My natal chart
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted May 03, 2013 02:32 AM
Libra planets in house 12. IP: Logged |
AscTaurus
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posted May 03, 2013 02:37 AM
Mercury Ascending
Jupiter Ascending
Venus Ascending
Mars Ascending
Uranus AscendingSun aspecting Jupiter(in air or fire)
Sun aspecting Venus(in air or fire)
Sun aspecting Uranus.(in any element)
Sun aspecting Neptune.
Sun aspecting Pluto(can go eitehr way) Juno aspects to Mercury
Juno aspects to Vneus
Juno aspects to Mars
Juno aspects to Jupiter
Juno aspects to Uranus
Juno aspects to Neptune
Juno aspects to Pluto Moon aspecting Venus
Moon aspecting Jupiter
Moon aspecting Uranus
Moon aspecting Pluto
Moon aspecting Neptune Venus aspecting Mars
Venus aspecting Jupiter
Venus aspecting Uranus
Venus aspecting Neptune
Venus aspecting Pluto Mars aspecting Jupiter
Mars aspecting Uranus
Mars aspecting Neptune.
Mars aspecting Pluto. Uranus Descending.
Jupiter Descending.
Mars Decsending.
Mercury Descending.
Venus Descending.
Pluto Descending. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted May 03, 2013 02:42 AM
What? That's practically every aspect there is! I have three of the planets listed ascending. I agree the ascending planets could definitely be interpreted as being a bit apprehensive about any long term deals involving other people. Emphasis is on self, for better or worst. Libra on the cusp of house 1 isn't good for marriage, either, imo. Libra, ideally, is on the cusp of the opposite house and things get kinda wacky when it's on the ascendant instead of descendant. Libra planets in house 12 could be interpreted as self undoing through partnerships or others. Wouldn't Jupiter descending be considered beneficial to partnerships? IP: Logged |
Little Doe
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posted May 03, 2013 07:25 AM
About fixed energy - I´m not sure that it automatically means you find commitment easier than for example air.40% of my chart is in the fixed sign of scorpio, and I´m a commitmentophobe. (Rest is in cap and sag, a little llibra thrown in there too). I think fixed energy gives you potential to be very commited to a cause/person, but not necessarely the willingness to do so. IP: Logged |
Chirp
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posted May 03, 2013 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by Little Doe:
About fixed energy - I´m not sure that it automatically means you find commitment easier than for example air.40% of my chart is in the fixed sign of scorpio, and I´m a commitmentophobe. (Rest is in cap and sag, a little llibra thrown in there too). I think fixed energy gives you potential to be very commited to a cause/person, but not necessarely the willingness to do so.
I think it does. My ascendant, descendant, sun, node axis, and chart ruler are all in fixed signs and if I like you and make up my mind that I want to be there long-term you pretty much have to kill me to get rid of me. I have four planets in air but I think the fixed axis overpowers them. Most of the air-heavy chart people I've encountered really do approach relationships with an easy-come, easy-go attitude.
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Little Doe
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posted May 03, 2013 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by Chirp:
I think it does. My ascendant, descendant, sun, node axis, and chart ruler are all in fixed signs and if I like you and make up my mind that I want to be there long-term you pretty much have to kill me to get rid of me. .
Yes, IF you decide to do so. (It has nothing to do with your potential to do so). I have asc, moon, venus, saturn and pluto in a fixed sign and bet I could be pretty devoted to someone if I wanted to. Do I though? No. 
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magicspells
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posted May 03, 2013 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Libra planets in house 12.
I have libra Venus in the 12th house... My descendant is in Taurus so dsc ruler in there too.. I've never had a relationship before but damn what's gonna happen to me?
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depth
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posted May 03, 2013 09:07 AM
I've a few of those placements and aspects listed above.Sag sun, mercury, venus, mars & Nnode
Empty 5H in Gemini, empty 7H in Leo and 8h in Virgo with rulers in Sagittarius. Sun conjunct Venus in fire
9H Libra Juno square Uranus/Neptune
Juno sextile Sun/mars
8H Virgo Moon trine Uranus/Neptune
Moon sextile Pluto
Vertex in 7th
All personal planets in mutable signs. Aqua rising, Sun/mars in 11H, Moon trine Uranus.
Mercury/Venus sextile ascendant/trine desc.
Jupiter square asc/desc I'm unstable, dramatic, attention seeking, idealistic, etc. etc. but I'm not a commitment phobe. When I commit, it's till death do us apart. But if you initiate a final break up, don't even dream of getting back. I cry but I also move on as soon as I find something/someone interesting. Why waste time crying (that too over someone you know won't return) when you can spend the same time dressing up and going out to fish? Unfortunately, like the Taurean you recently met, even I tend to see a potential husband in every affair. "Let's marry tomorrow itself!" I think it's because of Neptune which squares my Juno. Juno alone can't curse/bless someone with multiple marriages. I personally think if I start drinking, I would be counted among those who marry while drunk and apply for divorce the next day.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted May 03, 2013 02:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Little Doe:
About fixed energy - I´m not sure that it automatically means you find commitment easier than for example air.40% of my chart is in the fixed sign of scorpio, and I´m a commitmentophobe. (Rest is in cap and sag, a little llibra thrown in there too). I think fixed energy gives you potential to be very commited to a cause/person, but not necessarely the willingness to do so.
I wonder if stelliums can make commitment more difficult? I have one and it sounds like you do, too. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted May 03, 2013 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by magicspells:
I have libra Venus in the 12th house... My descendant is in Taurus so dsc ruler in there too.. I've never had a relationship before but damn what's gonna happen to me?
Never fear, you will be fine. I interpret my twelfth house planets as being in a worry free zone. Virgo/6th is the domain of worry, Pisces/12th of bliss. Libra Venus is a lovely placement. I am sure there's much you have yet to discover about yourself and it's lovely stuff, too. You are on a journey of self discovery. I know you will find your way and when the time is right, you will have the relationship if that's what you truly want. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted May 03, 2013 04:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by depth:
I've a few of those placements and aspects listed above.Sag sun, mercury, venus, mars & Nnode
Empty 5H in Gemini, empty 7H in Leo and 8h in Virgo with rulers in Sagittarius. Sun conjunct Venus in fire
9H Libra Juno square Uranus/Neptune
Juno sextile Sun/mars
8H Virgo Moon trine Uranus/Neptune
Moon sextile Pluto
Vertex in 7th
All personal planets in mutable signs. Aqua rising, Sun/mars in 11H, Moon trine Uranus.
Mercury/Venus sextile ascendant/trine desc.
Jupiter square asc/desc I'm unstable, dramatic, attention seeking, idealistic, etc. etc. but I'm not a commitment phobe. When I commit, it's till death do us apart. But if you initiate a final break up, don't even dream of getting back. I cry but I also move on as soon as I find something/someone interesting. Why waste time crying (that too over someone you know won't return) when you can spend the same time dressing up and going out to fish? Unfortunately, like the Taurean you recently met, even I tend to see a potential husband in every affair. "Let's marry tomorrow itself!" I think it's because of Neptune which squares my Juno. Juno alone can't curse/bless someone with multiple marriages. I personally think if I start drinking, I would be counted among those who marry while drunk and apply for divorce the next day.
I have similar placements...Saggy sun, mercury, Neptune...Virgo moon...Gemini Mars...my Saturn and Uranus are fixed but square each other by a degree
Not really sure where my initial dislike for relationships comes from, I think fear of being forced to change and not accepted as I am. But I know if I found someone who accepted me and all my oditties...I'd fall in love forever! IP: Logged |
unforgiven_soul
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posted May 03, 2013 05:02 PM
I think it has to do with Venus aspecting hard Uranus, plus if you have basic planets on Virgo, Sagittarius and Aquarius.------------------
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Jkitty
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posted May 03, 2013 08:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Little Doe:
About fixed energy - I´m not sure that it automatically means you find commitment easier than for example air.40% of my chart is in the fixed sign of scorpio, and I´m a commitmentophobe. (Rest is in cap and sag, a little llibra thrown in there too). I have to agree 100%. I've got 4 fixed planets, including my sun and moon. I can commit to a job or project, but PEOPLE???
If I DO make a commitment, I will stick it out, but getting me to commit? Hasn't happened yet and I'm 52, so GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! I think fixed energy gives you potential to be very commited to a cause/person, but not necessarely the willingness to do so.
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iliketurtles
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posted May 03, 2013 09:06 PM
have never been in love or in a serious relationship. i can't tell exactly how emotionally available i am because i've never had a serious boyfriend. for many years the thought of being in a relationship sent shivers down my spine. i've rarely ever wanted to be in a close, intimate partnership and its really only when i get a crush on someone my curiousity develops further. apart from that i'm not interested. i think my own personal background, family history/issues and general conditioning really made sure the more difficult aspects in my natal chart actually took effect. quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Then there's the condition of the DSC ruler. Where it's placed, how it's aspected. If the DSC or the DSC ruler are stressed, there may be negative associations with relationships. If the Moon is afflicted, family life/emotional closeness can lead to negative responses, probably coming from past conditioning.- i have moon square neptune and opposing venus. moon is my 7HR Nodes in the 1st/7th houses can be problematic for relationships, also (karma related to self vs other). - i have NN in 7th Uranus may find the idea of marriage or long-lasting commitment obsolete or scary. Saturn may be too afraid of responsibilities and intimacy, and Neptune may have impossible standards / unrealistic visions. Pluto may be destructive and way too dramatic for long-term relationships. - i have uranus sqaure 8HRsun and trine moon/7HR and a Capricorn ASC in a t-sqaure with pluto and mars yep, about right lol
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Gabby
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posted May 04, 2013 04:57 PM
What about Juno in 12th or Pluto opposed Juno...exact??Hmmm....id never really thought to much of this but my Juno is in Virgo 12th house 3 degrees from dejanira...so touching Juno usually will leave me feeling vulnerable and exposed because it touches dejanira to!
ESP in my 12th house!
My moon Virgo@18, Child virgo@19,Dejanira virgo@15, Juno vigo@12
My commitment phobe friends Pisces Dejinira sits on his Juno in 2nd house opposite his Pluto in 8th...0-1 degree aspects. I bet djanira/Juno would create a lot of vulnerability....leaves you feeling its the rlaionhips fault....or a relationship is something that exposes you to being hurt...a good reason to shy away from them! IP: Logged | |
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