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MorteImperator
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posted May 06, 2013 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorteImperator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The more I chat with friends from other sites, the more and more I become even more convinced that Scorpio is indeed a violent sociopathic sign.

I'm not even gonna share my stories here (but Doomlord knows a lot). But a friend of mine from Yahoo Answers frequently tells me how her ex frequently abused her. Her ex was a Scorpio Ascendant like me.

On DeviantArt I gave my Best Internet Friend advice on how to handle bullying and she stated it reminded her of her father. Before I gave this advice, based on what she told me of him I already suspected her father was probably a Scorpio Moon or Scorpio Dominant.

I got more stories from other friends but I won't share them for now.

I'm not saying all Scorpios are lunatic sociopaths. But I do notice Scorpio Dominants, if not balanced out by another sign like say Aquarius and if not guided properly, frequently become violent sociopaths or at least have sociopathic tendencies that may become worse and lead into a criminal lifestyle.

I am aware any sign can have their share of violent sociopaths. I will go as far as saying that aspects play a bigger role in this as I seen very hard ones in the charts of criminals.

But I do notice a disturbing tendency for heavily negative aspects towards Pluto and Mars or planets in Scorpio to frequent many violent sociopaths.

My Mars and Pluto have LOTS of heavy negative aspects. Combine this with a conjunction between Pluto and Ascendant as well as negative aspects to the Moon, and just reading the descriptions were spot on to my life.

This is why at times I wish I was born a Libra Ascendant instead. At least I would be an Aquari Dominant instead and the aspects wouldn't be as hard. Even being born at 0 Degrees Scorpio Ascendant would be fine by me.

But I notice a disturbing amount of violent people have lots of Scorpio in their chart and lots of negative aspects at Mars and Pluto similar to mine (but often far more and at precise conjunctions or opposition,etc rather than being on the outside orbs).

I can't tell you how chilled I was looking at some of these charts...............

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posted May 06, 2013 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Especially Charles Manson :S

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posted May 06, 2013 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
le sigh...
this is cliche....
and, neither the research nor the studies backs up that "many scorpios are violent
sociopaths"......

and, if anything, when it comes to aspects, there is a potential to exhibit a positive or negative side...
yes, there will be folks with mars-pluto afflictions who will have a violent temper
but, there will be as many folks who dont exhibit this sort of temper at all...


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posted May 06, 2013 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Especially Charles Manson :S

charles manson mostly directed others to murder...
it has not been evidenced he actually killed anyone...
he has an aqua moon (so much for balance!)....

richard ramirez, john wayne gacy (no scorpio planets at all)
both pisces suns, no mars-pluto affliction....

i could also pull out info on others who are not even water suns at all...
charles manson is just a tiny example, but, he is a 'popular' example,
and, a lot of astro generalizations are construed based solely on this.

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posted May 06, 2013 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hikoro:
charles manson mostly directed others to murder...
it has not been evidenced he actually killed anyone...
he has an aqua moon (so much for balance!)....

richard ramirez, john wayne gacy (no scorpio planets at all)
both pisces suns, no mars-pluto affliction....

i could also pull out info on others who are not even water suns at all...
charles manson is just a tiny example, but, he is a 'popular' example,
and, a lot of astro generalizations are construed based solely on this.



I'm not stereotyping Scorpio planets or people who have them because I have said it before, in fact, on a different thread by the same OP, every sign has good and bad examples. In fact, the OP typed about his own sun sign on that thread so I doubt he is trying to disrespect any particular sign.

Besides, the OP is talking about people with many afflictions to their Scorpio planets, especially the sun, or to their Scorpio ascendants, or between Mars and Pluto. Charles Manson comes to mind because he has many afflictions to Scorpio planets and he is pretty much a sociopath and violent even though he directed others to do his dirty work, he is still pretty much what is being described here, one example of a violent sociopath with heavily afflicted Scorpio dominant chart. I don't know if he is the most popular one, he's the only I know about right off hand so I mentioned him.

I am not saying someone with Scorpio planets is more likely to be evil any more than someone with Pisces or the other signs.

On a side note, you mention Ramirez and Gacy, I had a look at their charts just now out of curiosity. Gacy has an opposition to Pluto from Venus and Ramirez has one from Pluto to the sun. That's the ruler of Scorpio only it doesn't involve Mars.

Also, in Ramirez's chart, Mars, the other Scorpio ruler, is greatly afflicted and one of them is to Neptune which happens to be in Scorpio.

In Gacy's chart, Mars makes a sextile to Pluto but it is heavily afflicted by a square to Mercury and a conjunction to Uranus. It also rules the Scorpio 12th. The ascendant is 1 degree Sagittarius, almost Scorpio which is all over house 12.

So you see, there's a bit of Scorpio in both charts.


Another interesting thing about Gacy's chart is the condition of the planet Mercury in Pisces and very afflicted. It's already considered weakened anyway, being in the sign of its fall and it has many squares. Mercury is in house 3. You can bet many lies came out of Gacy's mouth. No wonder he was capable of such great deception with such a heavily afflicted placement!

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posted May 06, 2013 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chirp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read threads on this years ago at other forums and I think some professional astrologers did statistical analysis and found out that most violent offenders are actually Gemini. Not Scorpio.

I wish I could provide a link, but like I said, I read this years ago and couldn't even tell you what the name of the study/book/whatever, was.

Mars-Pluto in general I think just means that, if you WANT to, you can be fairly ruthless and forceful. Whether you choose to actually go that route and use it that way is up to you. I have Mars square Pluto (inherited it from my mom along with my Sun-Neptune trine) and as a rule I don't get like that unless I'm pushed to that point, which takes a LOT to do and it's usually for protective purposes, of either myself or others but usually to stand up for others.

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posted May 06, 2013 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio/Pluto energy is directed towards transformation. In order to transform something, you have to destroy it so that a new thing can be created.
It's a basic explanation that, to me, summerizes what Pluto is all about. Destruction -> Creation.

Some people use this energy negatively in the sense that they destroy something good and create something bad instead.
When channeled properly, this energy serves a good purpose - you destroy the useless, the broken, the non-efficient - and create something new, functional, useful, positive.

Mars is the ruler of Aries, its purpose is to take action, to initiate. Combined with Pluto, who has a deep urge for transformation, it can of course lead to massive destruction and all sorts of negative outcomes. But Pluto can turn any planet's energy to a "twisted" or "perverted" energy, Mars is only one possibility. The task here is to recognise the negative expression of the planets and channel their energy to greater good.

We have a choice and it's up to us to use the energies in a positive or negative way.

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posted May 06, 2013 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Little Doe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Especially Charles Manson :S

Not true. He never touched anyone (except that one time when he cut of someone´s ear).

All water signs can turn violent if mistreated. The more you´ve got going on inside, the more peoplecan hurt it.


I´ve got scorp asc conjunct mars and pluto. I´ve also got mars conj pluto in scorpio.

I´ve never gotten violent on anyone, except my sis when we were kids (wich I deeply regret. That was because I had an abusive mother and father, who don´t have a single scorpio planet in their chart.)

I´ve seen leo dominants to be more agressive than any other sign.

But back to scorpio asc, and pluto and mars.
Alot of people accuse us of of being sociopathic because we´re so cold on the outside. They also think that we´re not loyal to anyone.

Superficially speaking, I guess some people would call me a sociopath, if they aren´t good judges of character. For ecxample, I never smile, I´m incapable of getting close to people, I´m dominant, do not compromise on personal matters, and I don´t follow societys rules. I also have no friends.

Am I really a sociopath though. No. I´m deeply caring and empathetic, it´s just that my empathy is of the unconventional kind. I won´t show friendly manners when talking to you, but if you were in trouble and someone picked on you, or you were dying I´d probably be the one trying to help you the most. In other words my empathy comes in when everyone else leaves cuz things got heavy. (I save the energy for arainy day): I also have love for kids and animals, to the point where I feel deeply distraught by the abuse I see in the world towards them, but I´m not the person to be cuddly with kids or animals. However, cats and kids are magnetically drawn to me. They can sense who I really am on the inside, and that I love them truly. It´s an energy thing,not abehavioral thing. You know how cats never sit in peoples laps?. ell, they do in mine. If someone harms them, yes I will get violent if I have to, but that´s the thing about scorpio violence. It´s alway justified by empathy, at least in my case. I know it sounds wacky, but it´s actually really a warm kind of passion beneath all this. Sociopaths on the other hands (mostly libras, from what I´ve seen) simply enjoy playing with people because they are empty inside and have no passion.

I will admit one thing though. Sociopaths don´t trust people, are incapable of it. That´s actually true for me too. I am not capable of it, no matter how long I´ve known someone, I can´t ever trust them.

Actually I am very loyal, but because I´m a free spirit people misunderstand me.

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posted May 06, 2013 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Little Doe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chirp:
I've read threads on this years ago at other forums and I think some professional astrologers did statistical analysis and found out that most violent offenders are actually Gemini. Not Scorpio.

I wish I could provide a link, but like I said, I read this years ago and couldn't even tell you what the name of the study/book/whatever, was.

Mars-Pluto in general I think just means that, if you WANT to, you can be fairly ruthless and forceful. Whether you choose to actually go that route and use it that way is up to you. I have Mars square Pluto (inherited it from my mom along with my Sun-Neptune trine) and as a rule I don't get like that unless I'm pushed to that point, which takes a LOT to do and it's usually for protective purposes, of either myself or others but usually to stand up for others.


Agree.

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posted May 06, 2013 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MorteImperator:
The more I chat with friends from other sites, the more and more I become even more convinced that Scorpio is indeed a [b]violent sociopathic sign.

I'm not even gonna share my stories here (but Doomlord knows a lot). But a friend of mine from Yahoo Answers frequently tells me how her ex frequently abused her. Her ex was a Scorpio Ascendant like me.

On DeviantArt I gave my Best Internet Friend advice on how to handle bullying and she stated it reminded her of her father. Before I gave this advice, based on what she told me of him I already suspected her father was probably a Scorpio Moon or Scorpio Dominant.

I got more stories from other friends but I won't share them for now.

I'm not saying all Scorpios are lunatic sociopaths. But I do notice Scorpio Dominants, if not balanced out by another sign like say Aquarius and if not guided properly, frequently become violent sociopaths or at least have sociopathic tendencies that may become worse and lead into a criminal lifestyle.

I am aware any sign can have their share of violent sociopaths. I will go as far as saying that aspects play a bigger role in this as I seen very hard ones in the charts of criminals.

But I do notice a disturbing tendency for heavily negative aspects towards Pluto and Mars or planets in Scorpio to frequent many violent sociopaths.

My Mars and Pluto have LOTS of heavy negative aspects. Combine this with a conjunction between Pluto and Ascendant as well as negative aspects to the Moon, and just reading the descriptions were spot on to my life.

This is why at times I wish I was born a Libra Ascendant instead. At least I would be an Aquari Dominant instead and the aspects wouldn't be as hard. Even being born at 0 Degrees Scorpio Ascendant would be fine by me.

But I notice a disturbing amount of violent people have lots of Scorpio in their chart and lots of negative aspects at Mars and Pluto similar to mine (but often far more and at precise conjunctions or opposition,etc rather than being on the outside orbs).

I can't tell you how chilled I was looking at some of these charts...............[/B]


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posted May 06, 2013 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hikoro:
[b] charles manson mostly directed others to murder...
it has not been evidenced he actually killed anyone...
he has an aqua moon (so much for balance!)....

richard ramirez, john wayne gacy (no scorpio planets at all)
both pisces suns, no mars-pluto affliction....

i could also pull out info on others who are not even water suns at all...
charles manson is just a tiny example, but, he is a 'popular' example,
and, a lot of astro generalizations are construed based solely on this.



I'm not stereotyping Scorpio planets or people who have them because I have said it before, in fact, on a different thread by the same OP, every sign has good and bad examples. In fact, the OP typed about his own sun sign on that thread so I doubt he is trying to disrespect any particular sign.

Besides, the OP is talking about people with many afflictions to their Scorpio planets, especially the sun, or to their Scorpio ascendants, or between Mars and Pluto. Charles Manson comes to mind because he has many afflictions to Scorpio planets and he is pretty much a sociopath and violent even though he directed others to do his dirty work, he is still pretty much what is being described here, one example of a violent sociopath with heavily afflicted Scorpio dominant chart. I don't know if he is the most popular one, he's the only I know about right off hand so I mentioned him.

I am not saying someone with Scorpio planets is more likely to be evil any more than someone with Pisces or the other signs.

On a side note, you mention Ramirez and Gacy, I had a look at their charts just now out of curiosity. Gacy has an opposition to Pluto from Venus and Ramirez has one from Pluto to the sun. That's the ruler of Scorpio only it doesn't involve Mars.

Also, in Ramirez's chart, Mars, the other Scorpio ruler, is greatly afflicted and one of them is to Neptune which happens to be in Scorpio.

In Gacy's chart, Mars makes a sextile to Pluto but it is heavily afflicted by a square to Mercury and a conjunction to Uranus. It also rules the Scorpio 12th. The ascendant is 1 degree Sagittarius, almost Scorpio which is all over house 12.

So you see, there's a bit of Scorpio in both charts.


Another interesting thing about Gacy's chart is the condition of the planet Mercury in Pisces and very afflicted. It's already considered weakened anyway, being in the sign of its fall and it has many squares. Mercury is in house 3. You can bet many lies came out of Gacy's mouth. No wonder he was capable of such great deception with such a heavily afflicted placement![/B][/QUOTE]


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posted May 06, 2013 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Little Doe:
Not true. He never touched anyone (except that one time when he cut of someone´s ear).

All water signs can turn violent if mistreated. The more you´ve got going on inside, the more peoplecan hurt it.


I´ve got scorp asc conjunct mars and pluto. I´ve also got mars conj pluto in scorpio.

I´ve never gotten violent on anyone, except my sis when we were kids (wich I deeply regret. That was because I had an abusive mother and father, who don´t have a single scorpio planet in their chart.)

I´ve seen leo dominants to be more agressive than any other sign.

But back to scorpio asc, and pluto and mars.
Alot of people accuse us of of being sociopathic because we´re so cold on the outside. They also think that we´re not loyal to anyone.

Superficially speaking, I guess some people would call me a sociopath, if they aren´t good judges of character. For ecxample, I never smile, I´m incapable of getting close to people, I´m dominant, do not compromise on personal matters, and I don´t follow societys rules. I also have no friends.

Am I really a sociopath though. No. I´m deeply caring and empathetic, it´s just that my empathy is of the unconventional kind. I won´t show friendly manners when talking to you, but if you were in trouble and someone picked on you, or you were dying I´d probably be the one trying to help you the most. In other words my empathy comes in when everyone else leaves cuz things got heavy. (I save the energy for arainy day): I also have love for kids and animals, to the point where I feel deeply distraught by the abuse I see in the world towards them, but I´m not the person to be cuddly with kids or animals. However, cats and kids are magnetically drawn to me. They can sense who I really am on the inside, and that I love them truly. It´s an energy thing,not abehavioral thing. You know how cats never sit in peoples laps?. ell, they do in mine. If someone harms them, yes I will get violent if I have to, but that´s the thing about scorpio violence. It´s alway justified by empathy, at least in my case. I know it sounds wacky, but it´s actually really a warm kind of passion beneath all this. Sociopaths on the other hands (mostly libras, from what I´ve seen) simply enjoy playing with people because they are empty inside and have no passion.

I will admit one thing though. Sociopaths don´t trust people, are incapable of it. That´s actually true for me too. I am not capable of it, no matter how long I´ve known someone, I can´t ever trust them.

Actually I am very loyal, but because I´m a free spirit people misunderstand me.



Thank you for sharing all that. I appreciate it!

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posted May 06, 2013 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Little Doe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Thank you for sharing all that. I appreciate it!



You´re welcome! I´m not sure how informative it is, but that´s just my experience.

Oh, and I´ll add that if mars is in scorpio, than THAT can be a sign of violence. I´ve seen it alot. (I still love mars in scorpio, but yeah..they can get pretty nasty if crossed).

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posted May 06, 2013 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Little Doe:
You´re welcome! I´m not sure how informative it is, but that´s just my experience.

Oh, and I´ll add that if mars is in scorpio, than THAT can be a sign of violence. I´ve seen it alot. (I still love mars in scorpio, but yeah..they can get pretty nasty if crossed).


funny thing is that it plays out in very different ways.

i know an MIS who is fairly violent for no reason...often hitting people at full force with the smallest of provocations.

but not all MIS are like that

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posted May 06, 2013 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Little Doe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by doommlord:
funny thing is that it plays out in very different ways.

i know an MIS who is fairly violent for no reason...often hitting people at full force with the smallest of provocations.

but not all MIS are like that


No, of course not. But MIS has got alot of passion, and it can be hard to control. They have to put more effort ito it than others. If you see a MIS who is non-violent and balanced, you can be sure he is very mature, because that aspect takes maturity to handle well, like all scorpio aspects.

My ex was a MIS and he was very violent. I don´t really wish to remember that, but it just occured to me..

I also think the house of mars plays huge rol. If it´s in 1st or 8th, than maybe that could mean violence? I´m not sure.

But if it´s in 12th (like mine) I def can tell you it´s a very non-violent mars.

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posted May 06, 2013 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No, of course not. But MIS has got alot of passion, and it can be hard to control. They have to put more effort ito it than others. If you see a MIS who is non-violent and balanced, you can be sure he is very mature, because that aspect takes maturity to handle well, like all scorpio aspects.

My ex was a MIS and he was very violent. I don´t really wish to remember that, but it just occured to me..

I also think the house of mars plays huge rol. If it´s in 1st or 8th, than maybe that could mean violence? I´m not sure.

But if it´s in 12th (like mine) I def can tell you it´s a very non-violent mars.


well if im not mistaken the violent person i was talking about has aries rising so it means his mars might be in the 8th (hmmmm youre up to something )

now what would you say on a mars in the 10th house conjunct pluto?

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Originally posted by doommlord:
well if im not mistaken the violent person i was talking about has aries rising so it means his mars might be in the 8th (hmmmm youre up to something )

now what would you say on a mars in the 10th house conjunct pluto?


Well, I´m no expert, but to me that would indicate that the person puts ALOT of effort into what ever he consider to be important to him, probably career, or some kind of hobby/activity. It usually has to feel very important, almost like a duty.

As for violence, I really don´t think that would be an indicator. Just my 2 cents.

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The Scorpios with afflicted Mars/Pluto and/or afflicted Scorpio planets could be violent, yes..Angry and short handed, yes..
but the actual sociopaths/ serial killers have strong Jupiter in their charts. And Neptune.
A lot of them, i think more than half of them actually, are Saggies.

The astrologer Bob Marks has a good site and a forum dedicated on researching sociopaths/ serial killers astrological signatures.

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Originally posted by Orange:
but the actual sociopaths/ serial killers have strong Jupiter in their charts. And Neptune.
A lot of them, i think more than half of them actually, are Saggies.

ive come across this info too, as a matter of fact, some folks discussed about mutables being far more prone to this...
interesting.

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Originally posted by hikoro:
ive come across this info too, as a matter of fact, some folks discussed about mutables being far more prone to this...
interesting.

yes

Mutable signs are very swift, adaptable and cerebral. They have a better chance getting away with a repetative crime, re serial killing. Jupiter gives them courage to do whatever they set their minds to. Neptune makes them feel righteous in the killing, and quite elusive.

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One particular sun Sagittarius comes to mind. Ted Bundy.


Not to harp on Gacy, but his chart is more interesting than average. It also contains a close opposition from debilitated Neptune in Virgo to the sun/moon conjunction in Pisces. I did some research on Gacy just now, says his father was a violent alcoholic and he had domestic abuse in his family. It's interesting that the planet associated with Pisces, Neptune, is weak in his natal chart and in opposition to the luminaries which are also conjunct in the sign Neptune rules. You can see the many factors coming together in this chart and we know Gacy was very troubled and alienated from the darker parts of his psyche. He might have even had some kind of dissociation going on in his psyche during his crimes. It is noted he suffered a blood clot to his brain as a child when a swing hit him in the head, had to be treated in the hospital and everything. He complained of mysterious health problems after that. Doctors could find no cause. Sounds very Neptune-like.

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posted May 06, 2013 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
One particular sun Sagittarius comes to mind. Ted Bundy.


Not to harp on Gacy, but his chart is more interesting than average. It also contains a close opposition from debilitated Neptune in Virgo to the sun/moon conjunction in Pisces. I did some research on Gacy just now, says his father was a violent alcoholic and he had domestic abuse in his family. It's interesting that the planet associated with Pisces, Neptune, is weak in his natal chart and in opposition to the luminaries which are also conjunct in the sign Neptune rules. You can see the many factors coming together in this chart and we know Gacy was very troubled and alienated from the darker parts of his psyche. He might have even had some kind of dissociation going on in his psyche during his crimes. It is noted he suffered a blood clot to his brain as a child when a swing hit him in the head, had to be treated in the hospital and everything. He complained of mysterious health problems after that. Doctors could find no cause. Sounds very Neptune-like.



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posted May 06, 2013 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Scorpio/Pluto energy is directed towards transformation. In order to transform something, you have to destroy it so that a new thing can be created.
It's a basic explanation that, to me, summerizes what Pluto is all about. Destruction -> Creation.



Exactly! That is the kind of energy represented by the Indian god SIVA, the destroyer. The power of destruction associated with SIVA has great purifying power and opens up the path for change and regeneration. The same energy is exemplified through Archangel Michael.

Incidentally, I have a chart heavily influenced by Mars and Pluto. Scorpio Sun, Venus and Saturn with Pluto in first. Strong Jupiter and Neptune as well. Chart afflicted by a T-square made by Moon, Pluto , Saturn with Uranus in 12th. (I could have been highly dangerous). But I am not violent and never have been. I can, however, be fierce when defending someone who I feel has been unjustly treated. Am trying hard to do the same for myself but reason tells me I must examine why the injustice was caused, how did I contribute to it or allow it to happen, and latterly, how could I help the person see the error of their ways. Admittedly, these sterling qualities have (almost) developed gradually over the years - the transformative power of Pluto must have done its work!

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posted May 06, 2013 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chirp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
The Scorpios with afflicted Mars/Pluto and/or afflicted Scorpio planets could be violent, yes..Angry and short handed, yes..
but the actual sociopaths/ serial killers have strong Jupiter in their charts. And Neptune.
A lot of them, i think more than half of them actually, are Saggies.

The astrologer Bob Marks has a good site and a forum dedicated on researching sociopaths/ serial killers astrological signatures.


In a way I can see how Jupiter would be possible, sure - primarily because of the link to excess: and, like I read on Astrodienst the other day, a violent offender could probably get away with it for longer if they had luck (Jupiter) on their side.

There's also another factor - strong Jupiter would probably make the perpetrator feel like what they were doing was right and they'd be able to justify it to themselves in some way, especially if they attach their acts to some kind of personal philosophy, in their own head - philosophy and spirituality and religious beliefs are part of Jupiter's territory. Intolerance and dogmatic behavior is the shadow side of Jupiter. Plus it would give the perpetrator a certain level of excessive cockiness/optimism about what they do - "I'll never be caught", so on and so forth.

Neptune I get too because of the issues with reality and dishonesty that it causes; plus, strong Neptune gives a person the ability to dazzle and "snow" people.

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posted May 06, 2013 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^ Yes, exactly.

I actually said something similar to what you just wrote in my second post above.

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