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andstuff
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posted May 09, 2013 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Basically yeah just curious.

Old men should get laid with old women, I don't get laid with old men

Not an overripe virgin either.

Sagi DSC.

Any other ways this aspect could manifest itself?

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posted May 09, 2013 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A sextile is a good aspect. Why should it be a horrible influence? Why are people so afraid of Saturn? Properly aspected Saturn can add longevity, stability and depth to anything.

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posted May 09, 2013 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking maybe delays, old partners and similar rubbish? And honestly I didn't really wish for that

Because I think Venus trine Saturn despite being a trine often means older partners or manifests itself that way? I've read some comments in threads on this board i think

I personally loathe 1) oldness 2) responsibility 3) all this great teacher bollocks, have no wish to learn anything, don't wanna make this life a classroom therefore the less Saturn, the better. Fortunately the fact that it messes up my Venus is waaaay compensated by a lovely grand trine


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posted May 09, 2013 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I was thinking maybe delays, old partners and similar rubbish? And honestly I didn't really wish for that

Because I think Venus trine Saturn despite being a trine often means older partners or


i understand where you're coming from.
i have saturn in the 7th myself, oh...how i dread reading that it means ill end with a much older partner....
def. i dont mind saturnian qualities, kind of >_>... but, i dont care for the 'all work, no play, being all serious and raining on the bonfire'...
as for an older partner, too controlling imo. im a free spirited person..and here is this older individual, wanting to confine me and control me and "teach me" because he/she is older than me and wiser...no thanks. oh yes, and aside from how different the life styles and the sex drive can be between the the two people....
then, there are other interpretations, marrying much later in life or ending up with someone who already has children...
all of those descriptions seem so gloomy. i wonder...i wonder. maybe we will be the exceptions i hope.

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posted May 09, 2013 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jkitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aaarg! Saturn MIGHT represent someone who is oldER, meaning oldER than YOU. Would you really be opposed to someone who's, say 3 or 4 years older than you happen to be?

Or maybe they just seem more mature than you? Or more serious then you? Or more disciplined than you? Or how about someone that's MORE AMBITIOUS than you?

If you have it in your 7th, there must be SOME KIND of Saturn quality that you would find attractive! And that could simply imply that you've no rush to form a partnership and would be very happy to wait to find someone.

Also, 7th house rules ALL kinds of partnership. Maybe you'll go into business with someone who's Saturn qualities you'd find not only attractive, but indispensible to success?

Sorry if I seem to rant (I'm actually not) but sometimes use upper case to emphasis a word that I'd stress in a normal tone of voice if I were speaking. I am a bit frustrated when people forget about the good possibilities and focus on the negative.

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posted May 10, 2013 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aaarg! Saturn MIGHT represent someone who is oldER, meaning oldER than YOU. Would you really be opposed to someone who's, say 3 or 4 years older than you happen to be?

not at all. i wouldnt mind that. but the descriptions usually go with "someone much older" as in, way more than a 4 year difference....way more. *shudders*

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Or maybe they just seem more mature than you? Or more serious then you? Or more disciplined than you? Or how about someone that's MORE AMBITIOUS than you?

i have neptune in capricorn and with saturn in the 7th, i dont know if that is the reason i tend to come across as very serious in real life. so, i can def. admire those qualities in someone else.
im all for equality. as long as the person doesnt try to dominate the other and vice versa with a holier than thou attitude...
the minus is that it can be like someone is raining on your bonfire. it is like having someone's saturn conjuncting your sun...talking about a wet blanket.

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posted May 10, 2013 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maturity and discipline are massive turn offs for me

I like fire, charisma, energy, ease....

Also Saturnian people are less popular with the opposite sex than others, and why would anyone want something so second rate? Picking up what no one wants - no thanks

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posted May 10, 2013 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jkitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Maturity and discipline are massive turn offs for me

I like fire, charisma, energy, ease....

Also Saturnian people are less popular with the opposite sex than others, and why would anyone want something so second rate? Picking up what no one wants - no thanks


Oh, man! I hate to see what Saturn will have in store for you if you resist. He'll probably lock you in a room with all the fire you think you want and time you as you roast until you're "tender". SHUDDER!!!

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posted May 10, 2013 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol!

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Originally posted by Jkitty:
Oh, man! I hate to see what Saturn will have in store for you if you resist. He'll probably lock you in a room with all the fire you think you want and time you as you roast until you're "tender". SHUDDER!!!


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posted May 10, 2013 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sex/romance is more of a 5th house thing!

Libra/7th house in general is not a sexual sign, its about , partnerships, diplomacy, equality, and its basic vibrations are relationships and marriage.

Saturns influence on 7th house will cause a lot less crap relationships. Saturn influence on the 7th house is good in my opinion.
After all saturn is exalted in libra and gets direction strength in the 7th house.

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posted May 10, 2013 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MillyX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn sextile 7th house is not a bad thing. Sextiles are soft aspects, usually represent the positive qualities. So you might have the positive qualities of Saturn, someone ambitious & successful financially. Someone you can have a stable relationship with. So you consider that 'second rate'? Oh yeah because financially successful & stable people are so unwanted & 'boring'. SMH.

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posted May 11, 2013 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jkitty:
Oh, man! I hate to see what Saturn will have in store for you if you resist. He'll probably lock you in a room with all the fire you think you want and time you as you roast until you're "tender". SHUDDER!!!


I am like everyone I'm afraid. I am not obliged to warp myself into fancying people who are totally not up my avenue. Am I worse than others in any respect so Saturn would do this to me and not to others ?

Some people allergic to certain products - do you believe that Saturn will have something in store for them too?

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posted May 11, 2013 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sex/romance is more of a 5th house thing!

Libra/7th house in general is not a sexual sign, its about , partnerships, diplomacy, equality, and its basic vibrations are relationships and marriage.

Saturns influence on 7th house will cause a lot less crap relationships. Saturn influence on the 7th house is good in my opinion.
After all saturn is exalted in libra and gets direction strength in the 7th house.


But squares and oppositions are bad, right? And I believe all Venus Saturn aspects inc. harmonious ones to be detrimental as well ? Is it different if its the 7h ruler and not Venus?


@Milly: I once had to dance with a head of unit at a bank. I couldn't really refuse because I would compromise my family if I had. My dear father kept going on about how awesome he was, so young and so successful. And this young and successful individual pretty much wiped his sweaty hands against my dress that was too thin so pretty much that smelly liquid seeped through and got to my skin. And he couldn't really disguise the smells of his body with clean clothes and cologne. The morale of this horror story? It does take charm and charisma to get me. I am not obliged to desire people just because they are successful.

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posted May 11, 2013 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But squares and oppositions are bad, right? And I believe all Venus Saturn aspects inc. harmonious ones to be detrimental as well ? Is it different if its the 7h ruler and not Venus?



Perhaps. I've noticed one positive aspect can make up for a negative, you know?
Negative aspects with Saturn are definitely karmic by nature. You have to overcome them!

I wish I had a positive venus and saturn aspect personally.
Saturn trines my stellium except venus and my Asc...
I'm excessive with venus square Jupiter and I wish I had more restraint when it comes to romance and luxuries..

I know some people with venus conjunct saturn and they're so freaking talented. They aren't lustful and I don't see whats wrong in having self control personally!
In Vedic astrology Venus and Saturn vibrations are very compatible.
Hence why Saturn is exalted in Libra.
Squares and oppositions can be very difficult but thats expected with saturn.

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posted May 11, 2013 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ I am supposed to have Venus square Saturn, but the orb is very loose, 5 degrees. And I have Venus trine Asc and Pluto (GT) so that kind of removes self esteem issues. If there's supposed to be karma related to Saturn I didn't really cross my mind, I've never had much clue what these means. Reading about those losers who say "oh we are late bloomers, we have a hard time loving ourselves" - I don't know, I'm not like that rubbish, I am simply not despite how much everyone would like me to be

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posted May 11, 2013 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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^ I am supposed to have Venus square Saturn, but the orb is very loose, 5 degrees. And I have Venus trine Asc and Pluto (GT) so that kind of removes self esteem issues. If there's supposed to be karma related to Saturn I didn't really cross my mind, I've never had much clue what these means. Reading about those losers who say "oh we are late bloomers, we have a hard time loving ourselves" - I don't know, I'm not like that rubbish, I am simply not despite how much everyone would like me to be

My mother has venus in Aries square saturn exact. Interesting enough Venus trine uranus flips things around for her. She never wore makeup growing up or hardly dressed up but men proposed to her parents when she was like 16 and would stalk her and then propose to her parents haha. She did live in a country where its inappropriate to date openly but proposing to strange girl is still a BIG deal..
She also has venus trine asc which probably does give her natural beauty.

Just an example that aspects can change things around!

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posted May 11, 2013 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 11, 2013 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i tend to attract guys younger than me- i made out with a (very hot, very rich) german guy only a year younger than me and i was impressed with myself- usually its more like 3-5 years younger.

i DO like successful guys though- that is almost a requirement- i canno be attracted to skinny guitar playing boys- i love me some muscly alpha males

i dunno saturn brings lots of gifts and if you work with it and compromise you end up more free and with higher consciousness- i know there ae some things i canno tget away with that other people can and i accept it and find ways to get around it as much as i can

i would love to meet say a rich scandinavian man in his early mid thirties who is tired of demanding feministy swedish girls and wants some fun bendy foreign girl to help him spend his money and give him babies haha- i just need to start appealing to an older age group!

i must ask where in the world are you andstuff? if you are in america american men age HORRIBLY they literally decompose - i promise you german and swedish men are delicious as they age- full of puissance and charisma- i dunno i feel as strongly about only being with european men as you do only being with young men- european men espeically the north europeans - for me at least are gods gift to woman- they are stable fun and well they work for me.

i guess saturn seems to be losing its grip on me- the more willing i am to learn the lessons i need the more i becomes a guide and teacher than disciplinarian

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posted May 11, 2013 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jkitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I am like everyone I'm afraid. I am not obliged to warp myself into fancying people who are totally not up my avenue. Am I worse than others in any respect so Saturn would do this to me and not to others ?

Some people allergic to certain products - do you believe that Saturn will have something in store for them too?


Never implied that you need to "warp yourself" nor that this is just directed toward you or just by Saturn. I think anyone who tries to disown some element of their chart is essentially disowning some part of themself. In time, it will become painful, whether it's you or someone else, whether it's Saturn or Mars or Venus. There HAS to be a way to use or direct the energy in a positive way or it will explode. You choose whether you want to have control of how you manifest that energy OR it will take control. If you can't discipline yourself (one example of Saturn) then something will come along to do that for you that you may not like. Does that make it clearer. It's not just directed to you. Nothing personal at all! Sorry if my attempt at humor came off that way.

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posted May 12, 2013 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ sharpei: I am European. Yet Nordic/Arian is defo not me at all, blond men=rubbish IMO. Don't like them Mediterranean either. Slavic? Something is wrong with those too.

@ JKitty: see above, I am supposed to have Venus sq Saturn that I barely feel. How am I supposed to embrace an aspect for example that I don't feel and that sounds the aspects of losers, rejects and late bloomers? Become one, perhaps? I would prefer not to

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posted May 12, 2013 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jkitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@ sharpei: I am European. Yet Nordic/Arian is defo not me at all, blond men=rubbish IMO. Don't like them Mediterranean either. Slavic? Something is wrong with those too.

@ JKitty: see above, I am supposed to have Venus sq Saturn that I barely feel. How am I supposed to embrace an aspect for example that I don't feel and that sounds the aspects of losers, rejects and late bloomers? Become one, perhaps? I would prefer not to


This all sounds like CLASSIC Venus square Saturn: You're very critical of others. You may not FEEL it, but you certainly MANIFEST it.

As for me, I'll simply ignore your posts from now on since you seem to enjoy finding fault and cutting down most everyone (not just me).

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I have Venus-Saturn Conjunction AND in Capricorn too. Personally, i like this aspect. If anything, it strengthens by backbone.

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posted May 13, 2013 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have Venus-Saturn Conjunction AND in Capricorn too. Personally, i like this aspect. If anything, it strengthens by backbone.

Whenever I read these accounts, I remain all the more puzzled. Why do people even need strengthening? Disappointments in love ? Knowing you can have rubbish and can't have the person you truly want? I've been through this and tell you what I don't believe there was any lesson in this. I still don't settle for what I don't believe to be good enough for me and to satisfy me needs. I still believe I am not one bit worse than people who don't have to go through this and I deserve to have what I want as much as them

Having said that, I have known people with unmitigated Venus Saturn (mine is massively mitigated) and they are so unhappy in love it makes me cringe. I am not like them. And I don't think I would want to be for the sake of strengthening or anything

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posted May 19, 2013 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@ sharpei: I am European. Yet Nordic/Arian is defo not me at all, blond men=rubbish IMO. Don't like them Mediterranean either. Slavic? Something is wrong with those too.
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idle non astro curiosity here but what do you like then? black guys?

i dunno to me european men are ******* GODS and im beyond grateful to live in london where we have them by the dozen - mediteranean nordic slavic its alllllll good.

im white european.

ps even my house placements are similar to yours like jupiter 8th house venus 10th - soooo weird!

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posted May 19, 2013 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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idle non astro curiosity here but what do you like then? black guys?

i dunno to me european men are ******* GODS and im beyond grateful to live in london where we have them by the dozen - mediteranean nordic slavic its alllllll good.

im white european.

ps even my house placements are similar to yours like jupiter 8th house venus 10th - soooo weird!


I like thin pale boys with dark hair, refined features. French perhaps, but nationality has nothing to do with it

I don't like manly men, blond men, hairy men, muscular men, an awful lot I don't like

Besides despite the similarity between our charts I think you said you don't mind much older men and I am opposed to them very much. +3 is the absolute top, everyone else goes to screw themselves

The asc dsc axis must be strong, don't know why. Your psyche must be in aqua though, no? This might explain something. My style of loving and choosing lovers must be more feminine I suppose, because mine is in Pisces. And I've got Neptune almost exactly on my Dsc

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