posted May 25, 2013 07:20 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Lotis White:
Here’s an interesting fact….
The angular diameter of both the Sun and the Moon is or just over 1/2 degree, which is 30 minutes of arc. Meaning that they both take up about half a degree of space on the zodiac wheel. And when astrologers calculate the position of the Sun and the Moon, they do so from the center of point of each body….

Meaning they use the center point of the Sun and the Moon to calculate exactly where to place them by degree, minutes, and seconds, in the zodiac….

However since the Sun and the Moon both span 30 minutes… That means that in reality they do extend 15 minutes on either side of this center point…

Now this only counts for the luminaries… The Sun and the Moon… Because they appear so large from our stand point on Earth. They are like plates. They have a diameter that is obvious to our eyes. However the rest of the planets and the fixed stars are more like pin points. They are so small from our perspective that their zodiacal position from any point on earth is exact to the second.

What this means is that planets and fixed stars don’t have a cusp. But with the Sun and the Moon, potentially the tip of them can be sticking out into the next sign… After all they are each half a degree wide!!

I’ve never liked the idea of cusps. With the planets, fixed stars, nodes, and other ‘points', definitely they are either in one sign or the other… The diameter of these bodies and points are so small from our point of view on Earth that the cross over point from one sign to another is pretty precise.

But since the width of the Sun and the Moon themselves (from Earth) is half a degree each… Spanning 15 minutes on either side of their zodiacal position… That means that from a mathematical perspective it is possible for the tip of a luminary's diameter to stick out past the dividing line between the signs… As the zodiacal positions of the Sun and Moon are both calculated from the centre of their diameter…

This means that from exactly 29’45 at the end of a sign, to exactly 00’15 at the beginning of a sign, it is possible mathematically for the Sun or the Moon to span two different signs… However the centre point of the luminary is how they calculate exactly which sign the luminary is in… And this sign would be dominant as more then half of the luminary’s diameter would be in that sign… As well as the decan, and duad at the end or beginning of that sign…

So with the luminaries (the Sun and Moon) only, I’d be willing to consider at least the possibility of a cusp influence. But only after 29’45 of a sign, or before 00’15 of a sign… The last 15 minutes of a sign, and the first 15 minutes of a sign… Other then this narrow margin, no way would I consider for there to be any possibility of a cusp influence.

Like my Moon is at 29’11 Cancer… Which means the full diameter of my Moon is between 28’56 Cancer and 29’26 Cancer… All of it falls into Cancer so there is no possibility of a Leo influence. And I most definitely feel that my Moon is only in Cancer. Although, I do wonder if I had Moon at 29’55 Cancer, if there would be a slight Leo sub-influence… Because then my Moon’s full diameter would span between 29’40 Cancer and 00’10 Leo…

So now that you know that the Sun and the Moon are each half a degree wide… How do you think this functions astrologically?

Another thing to consider is decans and duads… If you were born with the Sun or the Moon at the very end or very beginning of a decan or duad (within 15 minutes of the dividing line)… Perhaps there is influence from the next or previous decan or duad of that sign as well.

I have Moon at 29'11 Cancer, Venus at 29'41 Sagittarius, Saturn at 00'18 Virgo, and Jupiter at 00'26 Cancer. All of them feel like they are in the sign they are mathematically in.

My Venus is in Sagittarius in the Leo decan, and Scorpio duad, and I feel these details really fit. My Moon is in the Pisces decan, Gemini duad, and again I sense a fit here to. Due to the position of my Cancer Moon, it's entire diameter is still within the confines of the sign Cancer. My inner nature is way too shy and sensitive for Leo to be part of the picture. However, I can sense the Gemini duad of my Moon, in how mentally active my inner world is. I literally almost never stop thinking.

I do have Mars in Leo, so there is a Leo side to me. This side comes out when I feel the need to assert myself somehow, rather then when I'm dealing with emotional, security related stuff. It's a totally different dynamic then having a Leo Moon.

---

According to this theory my moon is located between 29.52' deg of Libra and 0.07' deg of Scorpio. I wondered where my Plutonian/Scorpio energy comes from. My Scorpio Pluto is the only water planet in my chart and it aspects sun and Mars so it's probably quite powerful. But when I came across Lotis' post I thought "maybe this is it"? The Scorpio tip of my moon is in the Pluto decan and even Scorpio duad. Hmm!

On the other hand, maybe it's just a Pluto transit or something. I dunno...

Anyway, if your moon is "stuck" too do you think you feel both signs or not really?

posted May 26, 2013 01:18 AM            

I have a Gemini Moon at 29*40' and I have always thought that I am in an orb that makes me a dichotomy of Gemini and Cancer Moon qualities.

My marriage was to a Cancer Sun, and two long term friends are Cancer Suns. My husband had Gemini rising and Mars and Venus in Gemini. He also had a Mercury in Leo conjunct my Descendent. I have Jupiter in Cancer applying to the descendent and he had a Sagittarius Moon. Our Suns were sextile, however our Moons were in opposition and his Gemini planets and Sag Moon squared my Virgo stellium.....I hate him...lol....

anyways...chuckle...yes I definitely feel that the sign change planets can have something of both. My Venus in Virgo at 00* 16' also feels like a Venus in Leo - at times. I do have Mars in Leo, however I definitely have elements of the Venus.

So I can alternate between plain librarian/teacher type, or something glamourous depending on the setting, and requiremnts of the situation. I am generous and don't like to be stingy. I don't like to be the centre of attention though I do like to make an impact. I have a lot of pride and Leo men tend to like me although like I said, I do have Descendent and Mars in Leo.

posted May 26, 2013 04:10 AM            

Planets don't have cusps so it must be something else. And yeah, you seem quite self-absorbed :P

posted May 26, 2013 08:48 AM            

Spending some time unpacking your emotions is time well spent. The Moon encourages us to open ourselves up and to communicate our true feelings. There may be issues with your mother or women in your life that you need to resolve. Listen to your instincts and your feelings and make efforts to express them more honestly. Pay attention to your mood. Your first reaction may be the best; trust your instincts and reflexes. Seek out or offer your mothering and nurturing side. Pay close attention to the health of your stomach and breasts.

posted May 27, 2013 12:49 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Oops, I was tired and made a mistake. The center of my moon is at 25.52' deg so the whole moon is placed between 29.37' deg and 0.07'. Chryseis, your moon is between 29.25 and 29.55 so it's not in the next sign yet. But if you claim you can feel it then I believe you.

Planets don't have cusps so it must be something else. And yeah, you seem quite self-absorbed :P

---

Hoh! yes I am....

Oh sorry I didn't read your post thoroughly, I guess I can put it down to my self absorption with that one though, lol. I had a pre-conception that that the last one or so degree of a sign and the first so many minutes of the next sign are a bit of a grey area and can be flavoured by the adjacent sign.

posted May 27, 2013 08:51 AM            

quote:

---

If a natal planet is found at 29 degrees of any sign, also known as the Anaretic degree, there can be some real issues with decision-making in that part of the personality represented by the energies of the planet. The native may evaluate and re-evaluate situations before making a move one day, and the next day, jump into the action without listening to himself or herself! For example, if Mars is at 29 degrees, the native may devise many plans of actions, worry excessively about the possible actions and different routes to take, and then execute a spontaneous action that is contrary to the decision!

I know of a woman whose Juno is at 29 degrees, and despite the fact that she has many theories about taking relationships seriously, jumps into them quickly. A man with 29 degrees of Mercury agonizes over decisions in his life, and vacillates between talking too much and too little.

Besides decision-making problems, vacillation, and jumping into situations blindly, the 29th degree is also associated with a sense of urgency. It's the last degree of the zodiac sign, and there can be a real sense of urgency surrounding the characteristics and associations of the particular sign.

---