posted May 28, 2013 01:04 PM            

I always read about the importance of exact/almost exact aspects and how they override wide aspects (some say the close aspects override wide conjunctions in effect).

posted May 29, 2013 10:45 AM            

From a distance you say "Gosh, I'm gonna be hit by that taxi if I don't get out of the way" and so , you are given a split second to make a decision on which action you'd like to take.

But if you are suddenly run over by a car that you didn't see and laying on the side of the road with people around you, you will ask "What happened?"

Sometimes, it is the latter, rather than the former, that most people yearn to experience -in order to ascertain the relevance of certain aspects/orbs in their charts. Then they can say "yes, this aspect is real. I experienced that exactly" etc.

Some people don't want the warning, they just want to be hit by the car and lay on the side of the road.

I have Mercury-transiting Pluto conjunction by an orb of little less than 5 degrees now and I had long started(at the beginning of the transit) to be involved in heavy reading and mental introspection-which is what this aspect, to my knowledge, is all about.

Another person I know has this transit exacting his Mercury (by conjunction) and he asserts that "Nothings changed".

He once let it slip though, that he is seeing a therapist to deal with some mental blocks and long-standing issues that he has had.

When I laughed and said that, to me, that is total Pluto-Mercury conjunction in action he said that I'm "imaginning" this "astrology stuff".

So really, its to each his own. But I would say that the wide orb is easily recognizable whereas the exact orb may be like a shadow. Its so close, you may not even see it.

posted May 29, 2013 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
To me , its kinda like seeing a taxi coming towards you on the road.

From a distance you say "Gosh, I'm gonna be hit by that taxi if I don't get out of the way" and so , you are given a split second to make a decision on which action you'd like to take.

This POV is interesting. I haven't thought of it that way.
But if you are suddenly run over by a car that you didn't see and laying on the side of the road with people around you, you will ask "What happened?"

Sometimes, it is the latter, rather than the former, that most people yearn to experience -in order to ascertain the relevance of certain aspects/orbs in their charts. Then they can say "yes, this aspect is real. I experienced that exactly" etc.

Some people don't want the warning, they just want to be hit by the car and lay on the side of the road.

I have Mercury-transiting Pluto conjunction by an orb of little less than 5 degrees now and I had long started(at the beginning of the transit) to be involved in heavy reading and mental introspection-which is what this aspect, to my knowledge, is all about.

Another person I know has this transit exacting his Mercury (by conjunction) and he asserts that "Nothings changed".

He once let it slip though, that he is seeing a therapist to deal with some mental blocks and long-standing issues that he has had.

When I laughed and said that, to me, that is total Pluto-Mercury conjunction in action he said that I'm "imaginning" this "astrology stuff".

So really, its to each his own. But I would say that the wide orb is easily recognizable whereas the exact orb may be like a shadow. Its so close, you may not even see it.

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posted May 29, 2013 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I have looked at charts of people who experience a lot of energy in their lives (for better or worse) and have been surprised at the number of aspects with wide orbs. Apparently the wider orbs can be just as powerful as the closer ones.

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Really? I did not think that could be as it is like energy or 2 batteries when they get close or move apart, was how I saw it, anyway.

I have Moon coj Mars at 9 degrees. Do you think I could feel that in a strong way? Is that what you are saying?

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posted May 29, 2013 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Cherri:
Would an exact or almost exact aspect between planets be equivalent to a wide conjunction? I have Pluto inconjunct Saturn at 42 minutes, also Moon trine Neptune at 24 min.

I always read about the importance of exact/almost exact aspects and how they override wide aspects (some say the close aspects override wide conjunctions in effect).

Do any of you feel the close aspects as if in a conjunction?

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I have moon sq pluto at 8 degrees.

I have venus conjunct mercury exact.

posted May 29, 2013 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Really? I did not think that could be as it is like energy or 2 batteries when they get close or move apart, was how I saw it, anyway.

I have Moon coj Mars at 9 degrees. Do you think I could feel that in a strong way? Is that what you are saying?

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I have the same ideas about sun square Mars in my chart...have no idea what this means in my life since it's 9 degrees apart and it's a square so I hope it won't be felt.

posted May 29, 2013 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
exact aspects are most felt because the bodies are closer to each other and the effect is stronger, the moment the faster body starts separating from the slower body, the effect wanes.
An 8 degree aspect with an outer planet, like Neptune, Pluto or Uranus is not going to be felt nor it would have any effect.
A 9 degree aspect is not an aspect anymore by any means.

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I struggle with the 9-10 degree if it is the Sun or Moon. They allow wider orbs. What do you think? i can feel this when people push me to far, usually hurting someone I love. I can snap and give it to them, but other than this, I don't lose my temper.

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posted May 29, 2013 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

An 8 degree aspect with an outer planet, like Neptune, Pluto or Uranus is not going to be felt nor it would have any effect.

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posted May 29, 2013 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I can tell you, dear Orange, that I feel/felt and will feel my moon sq pluto at 8 degree orb. Believe it or not.

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Jess, maybe it is something else in your chart. It also may be felt a bit more if the Moon is applying to Pluto rather than separating.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I struggle with the 9-10 degree if it is the Sun or Moon. They allow wider orbs. What do you think?

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Ami,
9-10 is really a stretch, even for Sun or Moon. I wouldn't use it.
Here is the orb table by William Lilly.
The first column shows the total distance allowed for a planet to be on either side of another planet. The actual orb ( moiety) should be half of the total - shown in the second column.
Sun has the most allowed distance - total of 17 degree from right to left. In other words, the Sun's orb of influence does not extend 17° in all directions, but half that distance in all directions - which leaves the Sun at 7 1/2 or 8 degree from either side of another object.

Planet -----Orb ----- Moiety

Saturn ----10°0'---- 4½° or 5°
Jupiter ---12°0'---- 4½° or 6°
Mars ------7°30'---- 3¾° or 3½°
Sun -------17°0'---- 8½° or 7½°
Venus -----8°0'----- 4° or 3½°
Mercury ---7°0'----- 3½°
Moon ------12°30'--- 6¼° or 6°

posted May 29, 2013 12:58 PM            

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In any case, an applying aspect will be stronger than a separating one.

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Can you explain these terms?

posted May 29, 2013 01:35 PM            

I agree with you.

Usually if people claim to feel a certain wideorbed aspect, there is something else contributing to it, like, as you said, it is an applying aspect, and thus would have been activated in childhood and youth by progression, or there is a parallel/ contraparallel or midpoint configuration tied to it.

posted May 29, 2013 02:53 PM            

Do you think that exact aspects - no matter what kind, whether it's a square, trine, opposition, quincunx (I consider that a major aspect) to be so strong as to fuse the planets together like a conjunction (even though it might be a square or opposition)?

posted May 29, 2013 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I can tell you, dear Orange, that I feel/felt and will feel my moon sq pluto at 8 degree orb. Believe it or not.

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I feel the Cancer Moon conj Mars but not very often

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posted May 29, 2013 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I have moon sq pluto at 8 degrees.

I have venus conjunct mercury exact.

I sure know my plutonic moon like the back of my hand, while my venus conjunct mercury,am still learning how it affects my life.

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Can you describe how you feel Moon sq Pluto. What sign is your moon?

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posted May 29, 2013 11:13 PM            

Do you think that exact aspects - no matter what kind, whether it's a square, trine, opposition, quincunx (I consider that a major aspect) to be so strong as to fuse the planets together like a conjunction (even though it might be a square or opposition)?

posted May 29, 2013 11:13 PM            

Do you think that exact aspects - no matter what kind, whether it's a square, trine, opposition, quincunx (I consider that a major aspect) to be so strong as to fuse the planets together like a conjunction (even though it might be a square or opposition)?