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Topic: Pluto and it's child, Jealousy.
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hannaramaa Knowflake Posts: 4670 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted May 28, 2013 07:06 PM
My friend and I were talking the other day about how her Aquarius friend is insecure around her. It so happens she (my friend) has Pluto in the 11th house. Farther into the conversation I realized I had Pluto in my 5th house and I've always had Leos copying my style or being jealous. No, I don't think ALL Leos are or will be jealous of me! My question and request is for everyone to look at the house their Pluto resides in, figure out what the natural ruling sign for that house is and the recant your experiences with said sign, good or bad! I'm just trying to see if there's a pattern or if I'm on the right track in thinking Pluto brings jealousy with the natural ruling sign. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 1324 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted May 28, 2013 07:12 PM
I have twelfth house Pluto and that house belongs to Pisces and I get along with them alright. We have no issues. The ones I have issues with, sometimes, are Leos and it's not all Leos, just some. I have this one friend I grew up with, and she describes our relationship as "sisterly." She happens to have sun in Leo. The other day, I looked up her chart and the synastry blew me away. Her Venus in Gemini is exactly opposite (both are at 19 degrees) my Mars in Sagittarius and both of them square our Plutos forming a t square. It's so strange. We have always shared jealousy between ourselves, too. She has Venus/Pluto square in her natal chart. I have a Mars/Pluto square in mine. I find this aspect pattern strange, startling and intriguing. I also had another Leo friend who was very jealous of me, have no idea why. One time some friends of mine complimented me on my clothing while ignoring hers and she about lost it. My sun Taurus friend is somewhat jealous, but not as intense as the sun Leos. Oh, and another thing that's strange about my friend and mine's synastry, her Venus is unaspected except for that one square to Pluto while my Mars is considered to be unaspected (except for a few quintiles)all but the square to Pluto (some sources count an extremely wide square to the sun but I dunno.) It's just strange our Venus/Mars ended up this way and we grew up together and everything and were very close. IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent Knowflake Posts: 1148 From: walking with my head in the clouds! Registered: Nov 2012
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posted May 28, 2013 07:25 PM
Pluto in my Fourth House...I don't think Cancers get jealous of me, IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 237 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted May 28, 2013 07:26 PM
Hey Hanna, interesting you brought this up. I had a recent falling out with a Leo sun girlfriend of mine. There was extreme jealousy on her end of me and because she was so insecure, she constantly cut down my self confidence...ironically my pluto is in the 5th whose natural ruler is Leo! Very very interesting...so yes, I would say "bad experience." P.s yes, I have noticed Leo's to copy my style..weird!IP: Logged |
Jkitty Knowflake Posts: 417 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted May 28, 2013 07:39 PM
I've got Pluto in the 11th which is naturally ruled by Aquarius. Can't say I've ever had any problems with this sign, but then again, most of my friends have been clustered in Libra, Aries or Capricorn.IP: Logged |
Venusian Moon Knowflake Posts: 431 From: Nyc Registered: Feb 2013
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posted May 28, 2013 08:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by somethingexcellent: Pluto in my Fourth House...I don't think Cancers get jealous of me,
Mine too. I love cancerians. IP: Logged |
SaturnineMoth Knowflake Posts: 2244 From: Gaea's Omphalos Registered: Aug 2012
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posted May 28, 2013 08:15 PM
Pluto in the 3rd, Scorpio - Gemini 10th~ not at all. ^^; (mad respect and love for & from the Gemini/Scorpio sisters I've had over the years!) <3 (Pluto positively aspects my ASC/MC ruler Mercury (Capricorn, 4h ~Sag). Pluto makes no major negative aspects to any key body in my chart. My chart severely lacks any major hard aspects.) ~they'd have to have something to feel jealous of me for, or a reason to be jealous... It's not that nobody has ever said, "aw, shucks SM, you got XYZ" or "you're one lucky SOB, SM" - something said lightly... but, I don't think I've ever had someone actually proclaim their resentment, or show signs of envy or jealousy (beyond subtle nuances toward romantic partners, which I understand); and besides my own juvenile romances... I'm not much for jealous behavior either. I share everything I can with those I care for, and don't go out of my way to make anyone uncomfortable over an achievement or possession, or even partner, etc... that's just cruel. If I'm successful, I'm grateful and want to share that with those around me, if I have something I can divide somehow, or let someone else get enjoyment out of, I do... If I cannot, I'd encourage and help them so they know they can do/have the same. Resentment and envy from those who dislike you for miscellaneous reasons is one thing, but generally... I don't give people in my life reasons to feel these things toward me, so I have little experience handling them, thankfully too. I am one lucky SOB though, this I know... albeit gullible. ^^; <- horse(fire)/boar(water) My husband's Pluto in the 2nd, Libra - (9h Taurus) - now he's someone who doesn't mind making people jealous, in fact, he rather enjoys flaunting even imaginary possessions/achievements in the face (cyberface) of others... then again, he has Pluto square Mars (5h), & Venus in Capricorn (AP 4h). ~shrug~ it's one of his more, how do I put it... unattractive character flaws. The whole faux-obnoxious, vanity obsession... it's not something I agree with. Beyond just charts though... we were raised completely different, by natally similar mothers... lol my poor as dirt Libra mother was happy just to have a roof over her head and food in our plates, his almost as poor as dirt mother wanted the roof over her head to appear to be a castle turret to others in order to be utterly unhappy by choice for the rest of her life by devoting herself to keeping up appearances. ^^; see, worlds apart~ IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Knowflake Posts: 4670 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted May 28, 2013 08:43 PM
Okay, let's revamp this. People with Pluto in whatever house and the natural sign rulers - has your reaction to them been instant? Strong? Like you immediately know you like them or don't?IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 1324 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted May 28, 2013 08:54 PM
Not really. It usually takes me at least a little while to warm up to anyone. I have to get used to them. Must be that sun trine Saturn thing from eleven to eight. I do not have an instant feeling about someone just because they are born with sun in Pisces. I also don't have an intense feeling, either, just they are easy to get along with for me, personally. Leo is on the cusp of eleven and I have sun in that house conjunct cusp of twelve depending on what house system. With equal, it becomes a twelfth house sun. Regardless, Leo is always on the cusp of house eleven no matter what but Pluto is not there.IP: Logged |
ScorpioMoon Knowflake Posts: 129 From: Atlanta. Georgia, United States Registered: Jan 2013
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posted May 28, 2013 09:11 PM
Well, I have Pluto in my 8th house, my 8th house sign being Scorpio, and I've tons of trouble with Scorpios, both male and female. I've had people put me down for doing well, put me down by telling me i won't turn out to be anything good in life, try to sabotage me, and so on, all for seemingly no reason at all. Not all Scorpios hate on me though. I only know so much about the 8th house and astrology in general, but, maybe you are on to something.I feel like my own plutonian energy (moon,pluto, lilith, and part of fortune all in the 8th house) really spooks certain people; causes them to lash out at me, so, I would say that yeah, certain people know that they just want nothing to do with me because of the 8th house. I on the other had am pretty open to people. IP: Logged |
Jkitty Knowflake Posts: 417 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted May 28, 2013 09:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: Okay, let's revamp this. People with Pluto in whatever house and the natural sign rulers - has your reaction to them been instant? Strong? Like you immediately know you like them or don't?
No. I tend to like unusual people and normally give anyone I don't know well the benefit of any doubt. Someone would have to EARN my dislike. As for instantly liking someone, I might, but they would still have to live up to this by being good people.
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Jkitty Knowflake Posts: 417 From: Registered: Mar 2013
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posted May 28, 2013 09:59 PM
Pluto is a generational planet, so perhaps there is an aspect in your generation between Pluto and Neptune or Pluto and Uranus that might make this true for you, your friend and others that have that generational alignment of Pluto? Folks around my age have Pluto sextile Neptune, and so it wouldn't be likely to trigger jealousy based on your theory.IP: Logged |
PixieJane Knowflake Posts: 2364 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 28, 2013 10:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: Okay, let's revamp this. People with Pluto in whatever house and the natural sign rulers - has your reaction to them been instant? Strong? Like you immediately know you like them or don't?
Pluto in Libra (Scorpio cusp along with sun and mercury, and I also have Scorp Jupiter). I can't think of any jealousy present, but I do tend to either get along beautifully with Libras or clash harshly with them. Though as far as I can tell the Libras I clash with are almost all social snobs (and might drown if caught in the rain as they have their nose so high up in the air) and put an emphasis on being superficial with gossip, fashion, and partying. I don't mind superficiality exactly, it's just the snob part that gets me, possibly because I see them as unfair to others (Libra doesn't like that, obviously they use different standards on how to judge what is fair), or maybe my Scorpio cusp bristles at their superficiality and attempts to create harmony with short sighted drama and/or passive aggressive behavior, my Leo ascendant is outraged that they'd dare judge themselves superior to me, or all my Sag placements (especially moon, Mars, and Uranus) can't stand the shallow standards they try to impose on everyone else. That's just my guess. But more often than not I get along well with Libras. I can't think of any offhand that I was only casual acquaintances with, though I only bother to learn the signs of those I interact with a lot (as friends or enemies) anyway so I could very well have such acquaintances. IP: Logged |
nove731 Knowflake Posts: 98 From: Washington, DC Registered: Jun 2009
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posted May 28, 2013 10:58 PM
I've got Pluto in the 2nd.I'm sort of indifferent to Taurus suns. They don't really seem to make too much of an impression on me, for whatever reason. ------------------ Sun -> Aries Moon -> Sagittarius Ascendant ->Virgo IP: Logged |
PixieJane Knowflake Posts: 2364 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 29, 2013 04:16 AM
I think I misunderstood the question, so an alternate answer: my pluto is in the 3H...and come to think of it, I don't think I've ever been close to a Gemini (though I don't recall any dislike or jealousy either). However, my BFF over 12 years and significant other are both Gemini Risings and we love each other. And my mom has a Gemini moon. We didn't get along, and while I don't blame her Gemini moon for that it didn't help that she felt compelled to talk to me even though she didn't like me (especially as she couldn't help but be mean about it), and I think it encouraged her to stir up drama just for the mental stimulation and chance to yell mean things (but that wasn't the primary problem of her chart's manifestation, it just aggravated it). IP: Logged |
Swift Freeze Knowflake Posts: 308 From: One World Registered: Nov 2009
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posted May 29, 2013 04:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by somethingexcellent: Pluto in my Fourth House...I don't think Cancers get jealous of me,
Pluto Scorp IV house too. It is a shame, as much as I love Cancers. They just never seem to love me back It seems they refuse to be emotional around me which is killer, because my Venus conjuncts my Pluto. And being the emotional vampire that I am, I have nothing to feed from. I've actually heard "you are so emotional" from a Cancer Moon, Pisces Venus and Mars. That definitely made me take a step back. I really don't think they are jealous of me, there isn't much to even be jealous of, but honestly I never asked any of the ones I met. ------------------ Learn lots. Don't judge. Laugh for no reason. Be nice. Seek Happiness. Follow your dreams. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 1132 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted May 29, 2013 10:08 AM
My pluto is in first house and I've had plenty of problems with Aries suns. IP: Logged |
charlie Knowflake Posts: 611 From: los angeles, ca, USA Registered: Jun 2012
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posted May 29, 2013 10:13 AM
nPluto in 2nd Libra. I like Libras and dislike Taures'.pPluto is in 1st Libra. I like Libras and like Aries'. IP: Logged |
charlie Knowflake Posts: 611 From: los angeles, ca, USA Registered: Jun 2012
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posted May 29, 2013 10:16 AM
quote: Originally posted by charlie: nPluto in 2nd Libra. I like Libras and dislike Taurus'.pPluto is in 1st Libra. I like Libras and like Aries'.
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charlie Knowflake Posts: 611 From: los angeles, ca, USA Registered: Jun 2012
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posted May 29, 2013 10:17 AM
Sigh.....TAURUS is spelling and I didn't mean to quote myself IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Knowflake Posts: 4670 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted May 29, 2013 01:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Swift Freeze: Pluto Scorp IV house too.It is a shame, as much as I love Cancers. They just never seem to love me back It seems they refuse to be emotional around me which is killer, because my Venus conjuncts my Pluto. And being the emotional vampire that I am, I have nothing to feed from. I've actually heard "you are so emotional" from a Cancer Moon, Pisces Venus and Mars. That definitely made me take a step back. I really don't think they are jealous of me, there isn't much to even be jealous of, but honestly I never asked any of the ones I met.
Okay this is good feedback, I think! Yes I started this thread out asking about jealousy but in the back of my mind I wanted to know about experiences with the natural house ruler + Pluto too. Like you SwiftFreeze, Leos will never get emotional around me. BUT Aquariuses don't mind at all and my MOON is in the 11th house (although it's in Taurus.) This is interesting and definitely going to aid me in reading charts. IP: Logged |
Lazyscarecrow Knowflake Posts: 1314 From: Silent Hill Registered: Aug 2011
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posted May 29, 2013 06:05 PM
Pluto house 12I haven't really been in any "jealousy" incidents with Pisces, expect maybe one who would talk shi about me and gossip... high school crap. However, it's generally been Geminis that I've had this problem with. Have had Gemini women openly try to put me down or compete with me. However, I have experienced the bad sides of Pisces in my life. But nothing to do with jealousy. Since Leo Suns and jealousy has come up, I have been very envious in the past of a few friends, and attempted to fit in by emulating similar styles, but more or less it was because they had things in their life that I really wanted for myself and such things had always evaded me. I never cut them down or put them down for attention they recieved, but I would be very depressive and b*tchy. It sounds awful or whatever, but hey... I learned from it, and my bitter level has decreased since then. I'm not perfect. If it matters, Pluto squares Venus/Mercury in my natal, opposes Mars and squares Saturn too. IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez Knowflake Posts: 3362 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted May 29, 2013 06:18 PM
Pluto in 8thI don't really know any Scorpios..I think..well, besides my dad, lol. I really can't think of anyone @ all. Ohh my best friend was a Scorpio! RIP. I don't think she was jealous of me @ all. Idk..her death is creepy, but I don't want to talk about it. I wasn't jealous of her either - I loved her .. She was the best! Like a twin to me. There is another Scorpio girl that went to HS with me & I was a bit jealous of her, but I think the feeling was mutual. Se tried to befriend me, but I never gave her a chance because I thought she was stuck up. Lol..other than that I can't really think of anyone else. Oh yeah, 5th grade friend who loved me, but feeling wasn't mutual. All the girls in the class had this massive crush on him, and the girls hated me for that. M is Scorpio rising. He's obsessed with me.. IP: Logged | |