posted June 02, 2013 10:10 AM            

Give yourself a break and try to move on.
If someone wants to be with you, they'll make an effort, there's no point in trying to persuade / make someone fall for you.

posted June 02, 2013 10:35 AM            

all the signs are there...

U can choose the easy way..and stand behind what u know and not take what is not 'real' nor should u alter what is now.

FOr if he cannot even see u...then that's gonna be always like that in your relation..u Seeying and doing more then him..

Hard lesson=

When u join, u become stable and he become unstable( and another lesson will be learned)
The wishy washy is gonna irritate u sooner or later..and so Your Love has to fight against your Irritation..if u can win this inner battle he might not be aware of how strong it might be for u...then soon another trouble will arise...

Chances are high, u feel older then him in many ways..and this my friend=IMBALANCE

and is it not so that u have learned yourself and others that relationship should be equal?

If the starting energy is not equal...then better be friends and sit it out, and focus somewhere else.

Have u not seen the movies? when u move on..and get into a relationship..suddenly sometimes strikes him so hard...==> u are that rapper girl..and then he will come after u...and seduce u

And then LIFE WILL TEST U 1x TIME..

will u break someone heart the heart u currently with even if the relation is fresh..

for the one u loved before but he who couldn't see u..

he who only could see u when he was in sadness..

but when he was happy he was floating around and neglecting what was there al along.

Now does he expect u to drop everything because he says sorry?

Just like u were sad that he didn't see u..But u saw him when u were happy and sad, he only saw u when he was sad..the days he become happy..he will not see u anymore.. for such it was made when men follow their eyes and not their inner eyes, when men follow voices outside but not inside.

All will leave a trail of destruction in the hearts they come to love so much sooner or later.

Because their soul is young...they only want to have fun, no responsibility.

But love is responsibility=so that everytime they find that love, it will already leave their hands, just like he who hold sand in his handpalm the more he tighten the grip, the faster it runs out.

For Love is Free, no men or woman shall alter these things.

But surely men and woman can make it appear to be Love, beneath they all are dying , but they just keep on smiling and trying.

But tired do their soul get, truly tired they are.

and in the end sorry is just a word..

Inner sorry change doesnt come in 1 or 2 days or weeks for that matter

U can say sorry, but without inner repentence there will be no growth inner, nor will there be vision,nor will u gain new abilities and insights.

posted June 02, 2013 10:56 AM            

This is what u think of his actions..will u sacrifice your dignity for idiot..who represent LOVE for u?

Ask this..would Love respect u and give u her belongings. But u have to offer self respect and dignity and u get love in return...

The love that is in the hands of someone who is unstable..

Sounds more like a scam :')

Quote religion:

Let him who have a ear, hear, let him who have eyes, see, let him who have a tongue speak.

But will u ears only hear what they want to hear, then i fear for u.
If u eyes only want to see what it wants, they i fear for u
If u tongue only speaks what others want to hear, then i fear for u

If so.. u are not righteousness and true,

but Love is..For Love is righteousness, for Love is sweet, for Love has heights, Love is coming home to those who are worthy

posted June 03, 2013 06:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It may be a karmic connection, they're often very binding but painful.

Either way, the only way to move on and heal is to stop seeing him, but if you can't do that now, try to focus on something / someone else. Because apparently, the only thing that's permanent here is your negative feelings. I'm sorry you're in pain. But it does get better with time, so hang in there.

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posted June 03, 2013 09:10 AM            

Sags are not the most 'manly' men... Not traditionally manly. They seem a bit feminine to me because of their overall behaviour. I feel like I have to be the strong person.. The person to protect them.. The person who is there when they overdose on something or end up in jail.. The person whose shoulder they cry on when they are suicidal.. The person who is consistent - when they go from university student to gambler to con artist to singer and back to university (in a week!!)... The person who tells them off when they are self-destructive... The person who helps them stop.
In any event - it is very tiring to be that person ^^ Some Sagittarians are like a one-man circus.

I'm an Aries so we should be compatible but the constant rollercoaster of emotions they seem to go through - gives me the biggest headache. They can be completely unstable - exactly as you described your guy. They have no idea what they want or how to get it - and sometimes they just want it all. In a Sagittarians perfect world he could try a bit of everything he loves-- whether it's different types of cake or different women. They hate being told NO by life in general.. because that's missing out on an experience -- and they intensely need and want to experience absolutely everything.

The fact is, with you - this Sag guy - couldn't simply try "a bit" - or have a taste ... and walk right on towards the next experience.. He is very aware of that. All fire sign people have really good instincts. You are either scary/threatening - because of the intensity of the connection between you both.. or.. you're scary simply because you come across like a strong person who wouldn't put up with the BS he gives those other women you see him dating.

The fact that he has singled you out and is intentionally being detached/cold towards you in particular -- when he is so casually dating other girls.. is a clear sign (for a mutable guy, not for any guy) - that he's just plain scared.
You can't "fix" this though, or make him less scared.. And it really shouldn't be your day time job to make him grow up and be a man.

It is sad when two people could have something positive and intense together and one person is simply scared or too immature to go there. But there truly are other fish in the sea. I don't think this is your fish. Even if you have a connection.. Even if you are both attracted.. Even of it "could" be good --- if he makes a conscious choice to stay away from you, then he will.. and that's that - because we all have free will. You can't force someone's hand. What's more - you shouldn't!!
I'm sure you'll fall in love again, with someone else. Let this one be.

I'm not sure why - so many people- male and female - have this impression or 'idea' that romantically things can only go two ways:

- Either he/she is not that into you - In which case you drop it.

Or...

- He/She is very strongly into you - In which case you pursue till the cows come home, to the ends of the world, till you turn blue in the face -- in the name of LOVE and fluffy bunnies!

The thing is - even if they fall in the second category - and they are strongly into you - there are times when, this is not enough to make things work.. and you still have to drop it.
The other party being "not that into you" or "not interested" is not the only thing that can burst the bubble of your potential love affair.

posted June 03, 2013 10:17 AM            

For u have given greta advice..
By those who post
They speak from experience, maybe they were u once, or the one u want.

But u will learn a lesson :') that i can assure u.

ANd it will bring u closer to who u ought to be and become.

For say this everyday inside to yourself(inner voice plz):

I am many things, many thing i am
What i am not today, i can become tommorow.
Tommorow i can become, what i am not today

It will open awareness and love for u from 'universe'

It points towards that u can become bad, or good, that u can be something u 'don't like' or 'like' that u need to watch very close to your evolution to your well being. all these things.

So when u get put in situation that are unfair, become what is fair...so that u don't drown in the unfairness others create.

Inside of men and woman there would be like a black box just like airplanes, registering every thought action etc...your Soul..

one day your body die, but u soul will not, so to restore what has damaged on earth, u need judgement of something 'higher' that day all lights shall fall on every tiny shadow.

That's why human are very afraid being judged in their lifes on earth.For many times the judges are bad or incomplete, or just plain wrong.

For men is limited by the eyes and knowledge they found and discovered, wisdom is not.

So stand strong :') who ever u are, that u become who u want to be, what u want to represent for humanity, your friends and loved ones.

posted June 03, 2013 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Honestly - I think mutable sign guys are very reluctant to get involved in something serious - and you are definitely not a woman to be trifled with - which he senses.
They get easily scared by strong women because - let's face it - we could walk all over them. Or at least I feel like I could - with every Sag guy I know.

Sags are not the most 'manly' men... Not traditionally manly. They seem a bit feminine to me because of their overall behaviour. I feel like I have to be the strong person.. The person to protect them.. The person who is there when they overdose on something or end up in jail.. The person whose shoulder they cry on when they are suicidal.. The person who is consistent - when they go from university student to gambler to con artist to singer and back to university (in a week!!)... The person who tells them off when they are self-destructive... The person who helps them stop.
In any event - it is very tiring to be that person ^^ Some Sagittarians are like a one-man circus.

I'm an Aries so we should be compatible but the constant rollercoaster of emotions they seem to go through - gives me the biggest headache. They can be completely unstable - exactly as you described your guy. They have no idea what they want or how to get it - and sometimes they just want it all. In a Sagittarians perfect world he could try a bit of everything he loves-- whether it's different types of cake or different women. They hate being told NO by life in general.. because that's missing out on an experience -- and they intensely need and want to experience absolutely everything.

The fact is, with you - this Sag guy - couldn't simply try "a bit" - or have a taste ... and walk right on towards the next experience.. He is very aware of that. All fire sign people have really good instincts. You are either scary/threatening - because of the intensity of the connection between you both.. or.. you're scary simply because you come across like a strong person who wouldn't put up with the BS he gives those other women you see him dating.

The fact that he has singled you out and is intentionally being detached/cold towards you in particular -- when he is so casually dating other girls.. is a clear sign (for a mutable guy, not for any guy) - that he's just plain scared.
You can't "fix" this though, or make him less scared.. And it really shouldn't be your day time job to make him grow up and be a man.

It is sad when two people could have something positive and intense together and one person is simply scared or too immature to go there. But there truly are other fish in the sea. I don't think this is your fish. Even if you have a connection.. Even if you are both attracted.. Even of it "could" be good --- if he makes a conscious choice to stay away from you, then he will.. and that's that - because we all have free will. You can't force someone's hand. What's more - you shouldn't!!
I'm sure you'll fall in love again, with someone else. Let this one be.

I'm not sure why - so many people- male and female - have this impression or 'idea' that romantically things can only go two ways:

- Either he/she is not that into you - In which case you drop it.

Or...

- He/She is very strongly into you - In which case you pursue till the cows come home, to the ends of the world, till you turn blue in the face -- in the name of LOVE and fluffy bunnies!

The thing is - even if they fall in the second category - and they are strongly into you - there are times when, this is not enough to make things work.. and you still have to drop it.
The other party being "not that into you" or "not interested" is not the only thing that can burst the bubble of your potential love affair.

This is where many get confused.. They think: oh but if he/she really likes me - we can make it work.. He/she will get past their fears or whatever other problem there is, and we'll live happily ever after. And if we don't - well then it must be the case that they weren't that into me in the first place.
Well NO. The ugly truth - and it is ugly ... Is that some people... even if they meet the love of their lives, will simply not have the strength or ability to go there - and there is nothing anyone can do about it other than the person themselves.
Real love does not conquer all. Sometimes cowardice conquers real love. The "not that into you" idea seems to cover this ugly truth up. It is saying that - real love, when it's real - always prevails.. that a guy who is really into you will always call and be honest and be there for you... But it's BS in my opinion. It depends on personality type. Some people really let their fears and cowardice win.. even if they are truly in love. This says a lot more about their weakness of character than it does about them not being 'that into you'... or their love not being strong enough.

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Just want to butt in and say: I can be good friends with mutable signs and most in fact are mutable BUT I can't date them because like you said, I walk right over them and they are wishy-washy and unstable. And I'm not even an Aries but have most my planets in cardinal signs except for my bloody mars and rising (Virgo). My worst wishy-washy dating experience was a Pisces sun and Gem Moon.....holy cow!!

posted June 03, 2013 12:56 PM            

Scorpio Venus pushes us to love intensely and Sag Sun/Mercury ruled Moon starts getting itchy feet when that intensity/mystery starts to fade into routine. Sag Sun is the explorer/adventurer of the zodiac, Moon in Gemini finds comfort in variety and multitasking, Venus in Scorpio finds beauty in mystery. To be fair, it seems a little odd to me that you are surprised he acts exactly within his astrological nature (even if he is acting out the low end of the spectrum).

If you really want to be with this guy, here is my suggestion... Wait.

Give him 10 to 20 years and then try pursuing a relationship. See, you need to think of dating this guy like baking a pie. YOU may really want to eat this pie which seems so delicious to you, but the thing has to bake first. It may even look good now, but bite in now and you end up with a really unpleasant experience.

If you like him so much than you should do some baking of your own; that way you are capable of being someone he likes when he has his stuff together. The first step would be to have a bit more self respect. There is nothing less attractive to a Sag than someone who waits around for a guy who strings them along. That does not make you desirable to Sag at all...Pisces yes...Sag No.

Second, go out and date a bit on your own. You will gain some experience in discovering what kind of things you need from a relationship. Just have fun, you don't have to plan to marry any guy you date, just think of it as practice or research.

Finally, if he does like you he will likely show interest once he sees you are dating and less available. If he starts to try to start something up with you...Turn him down nicely and explain that you are not interested in being one of these girls. Tell him to come back when he is serious.

At this point his Gemini Moon will tell any lie to try to get you two together. Remember that it will actually take 10-20 years for whatever he says to ACTUALLY be true.

posted June 03, 2013 07:48 PM            

I mean I don't think Sag men are half-baked (as you put it) sexually. Being 'half baked' is only an emotional thing.
She could still have casual sex with him.
But my impression was she's more so in love - Venus-like feelings... rather than Mars feelings.

If it was just Mars feelings - they would've gone there ages ago loll Don't you think so?

I mean I don't find Sag men shy about pursuing sex. They only get cold and weird when they're scared of the other person.. on an emotional level.

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As a Sag with Venus in Scorpio and a Mercury ruled Moon let me save you some trouble. In our younger years we date a lot of people and the majority of those relationships don't last much longer than 3 months.

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The thing is he didn't initiate any kind of romantic contact - purely sexual or otherwise... nor did he initiate a 3 month relationship with her.
For a Sag guy who is - going out with every girl within a ten meter radius... why would he avoid her?
Clearly because she is a Scorpio with Leo Moon - and she's too much for him.
Honestly - Don't you think so - just looking at the charts?

posted June 03, 2013 09:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Well she can have candy without a relationship.. but I thought she wanted a relationship lol

I mean I don't think Sag men are half-baked (as you put it) sexually. Being 'half baked' is only an emotional thing.
She could still have casual sex with him.
But my impression was she's more so in love - Venus-like feelings... rather than Mars feelings.

If it was just Mars feelings - they would've gone there ages ago loll Don't you think so?

I mean I don't find Sag men shy about pursuing sex. They only get cold and weird when they're scared of the other person.. on an emotional level.

The thing is he didn't initiate any kind of romantic contact - purely sexual or otherwise... nor did he initiate a 3 month relationship with her.
For a Sag guy who is - going out with every girl within a ten meter radius... why would he avoid her?
Clearly because she is a Scorpio with Leo Moon - and she's too much for him.
Honestly - Don't you think so - just looking at the charts?

Scorpio-Leo.. is a much more intense and *strong* combination than Sag-Gemini which is a very laid back combination. So he's scared of her.
*shrug*
The first thing I think seeing these placements is HUGE role reversal. Even though Scorpio is a feminine sign it is ruled by Mars... and because of the sheer *toughness* of Scorpio and Leo together - I think she would be the more masculine person in this interaction.. so he'd play a more feminine role.. and many guys are too egotistical to play that role.

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I'm not sure where I said Sagittarians are half-baked. There is a good reason for why Sag experiences wander-lust, we have to experience in order to understand. There is nothing half-baked about the drive to experience as much as possible, especially in our youth. Unfortunately it's a trait often misconstrued as lack of substance.

If the feelings were primarily Venus related would they not have also pursued each other ages ago? His Venus is in Scorpio, while her Venus is in Libra. Venus in Scorpio has difficulty getting reciprocity and depth from Venus in Libra. On the other hand both seem to share Mars in Virgo (which explains a bit about why a Mars connection between them would be less overtly aggressive). I'm not saying that the raw planet Mars has possessed her body until she beds him, I'm saying that the probability Mars is a driving force behind her intense desire for him is high. Mars does things like causing strong feelings of desire toward people who obviously are not ready to give us the kind of connection we are seeking.

The problem ultimately is, he seems to for some reason, be uninterested in pursuing the OP. She mentioned that her friends assume he can tell she is into him. That indicates to me that if she thinks she is being subtle, she's not. And I think this may play a bit into your theory about her being too much for him. I agree that a Sag/Gem is not in the same intensity bracket as a Sco/Leo. This is much of why I suggested she play the field a bit herself. When she dates a Water/Fire guy or a guy with some Libra/Virgo influences, I have a feeling she is going to discover a real contrast between what she experiences with them and what she experiences with him.