posted June 04, 2013 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow, her sun is in his 12th

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posted June 04, 2013 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
My dad had venus in the 8th house in pisces. Do u still look to the 8th house for suicide or would it have to be the 12th?

He had jupiter conjunct uranus/12th house

At the time of his death he had his moon in pisces transitting 8th.

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This is the kind of question I did this thread in order to answer. If anyone wants to jump in, please do.

I think we look to the sign on the 8th, which would be Pisces. THEN, we would look to Neptune because Neptune rules Pisces. What did Neptune do in the chart?

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posted June 04, 2013 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
My dad had venus in the 8th house in pisces. Do u still look to the 8th house for suicide or would it have to be the 12th?

He had jupiter conjunct uranus/12th house

At the time of his death he had his moon in pisces transitting 8th.

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This is the kind of question I did this thread in order to answer. If anyone wants to jump in, please do.

I think we look to the sign on the 8th, which would be Pisces. THEN, we would look to Neptune because Neptune rules Pisces. What did Neptune do in the chart?

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posted June 04, 2013 04:14 PM            

I would wonder what neptune was doing as ruler of the 8th. In which House was Neptune?

What were the aspects to Neptune?

Jupiter conj Uranus in the 8th---I am not sure how this would add to the understanding of this death, other than Jupiter in the 12th can have many near death kind of situations and survive. Uranus in the 12th can be someone who is very kinky, so to speak, and feels he must hide it. This could cause the guilt and shame that could lead to an addiction. What do you all think?

The 12th House would be suicide, I think. he had Venus in the 8th. Did his venus square Uranus or Jupiter in the 12th.

What was the sign on the 12th House cusp/ I wonder if it's ruler did anything with Neptune, the ruler of the 8th?

I will wait for you to answer.
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posted June 04, 2013 09:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I need to think about this and ask you some questions. Thanks for the post

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Ami, a little more info given some of the subsequent sharings on this thread:

My Uranus conjuncts Ixion in Scorpio and is about a degree off of the 12th house cusp, and opposes Moon (8th house ruler) / Chiron with about a 3 or so degree orb. Aquarius (ruled by Uranus) houses my 3rd house cusp if that's any indication.

If talking the Arabic Parts/Lots that I've researched a bit, the second calculation for Part of Suicide falls in my 8th house slightly more than 2 degrees off of Nessus/fixed star Sirius. Though I am very much hardwired against doing such, I also remember another thread where another one of the Lots factored in (Part of Death) but it wasn't my death, so... I should also note this Part of Suicide/Nessus is square my Mars/Pluto/Venus stellium in Libra, 10th house (with Venus within 3-4 deg. of 11th house cusp).

I'd hate to think if I pass on due to a murder/suicide on another's part via poisoning. Given that Cancer 8th house they mention in own home, possible overeating, stomach... ...hmm. Maybe I should stay single lol... (I do also have asteroid Karma on Algol and Sun on Regulus.)

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posted June 04, 2013 10:14 PM            

Ok- so we could count your Uranus as 12th House.Iis that what you are saying? Uranus conj Ixiion would matter but then, in a way, is generational as many people would have this. Am I right about Ixxion?

IQ was saying that the asteroids really count when they are conj Angles and personal planets as they are unique to a single person and not a generation. What do you think?

You have Uranus in the 12th--we will say-- oppose Moon/Chiron at 3 degrees which is pretty close.

This seems like it would make for a heart that finds it hard to commit and settle down. It wants space and novelty.

Chiron conj the Moon--did you have pain with your mother.

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posted June 04, 2013 10:16 PM            

Dad also has Cancer 8th house, and his 8th house ruler (Moon) is in Cancer. He does have diabetes and has had one tumorous kidney removed already 22 years ago. The other one has a small tumor as well but has advanced very slowly and they still haven't advised treatment as it's still very small.

His Moon conjuncts my Nessus, on Sirius.
His Chiron is also in 8th house, about a 2 degree or so orb from 8th house cusp.

His Moon also quincunxes his Sun (3rd house Aquarius).

His Chiron is quincunx his Ascendant conjunct Mars in Sagittarius (yes, his Ascendant is conjunct mine with a 2-degree orb with his Mars right between).

He also has Pluto retrograde in 8th house, barely in Leo (0 Leo 6'45" Rx), opposite his Mercury / asteroid Lucifer conjunction (and Mercury happens to barely be in Aquarius with Lucifer still in the ending of Capricorn). His Pluto also trines Mars/Ascendant.

I haven't calculated his Lots yet, however his Vertex is also within 2 degrees of his Moon in 8th house. Come to think of it, my Vertex is 2 degrees off of his Vertex also in my 8th house Cancer (and my Vertex is 4 degrees from his Moon, not sure if that's too big an orb).

posted June 04, 2013 10:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok- so we could count your Uranus as 12th House.Iis that what you are saying? Uranus conj Ixiion would matter but then, in a way, is generational as many people would have this. Am I right about Ixxion?

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Likely so. Ixion seems to be a slow mover too.

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IQ was saying that the asteroids really count when they are conj Angles and personal planets as they are unique to a single person and not a generation. What do you think?

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I think they add a little bit depending on the aspects and what they're aspecting. A possible subtlety to generational planets cannot be discounted IMHO...

It's still a subject I'm researching extensively.

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You have Uranus in the 12th--we will say-- oppose Moon/Chiron at 3 degrees which is pretty close.

This seems like it would make for a heart that finds it hard to commit and settle down. It wants space and novelty.

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Makes sense. At this point, I'd just like a chance without someone else getting in and... well, stealing my thunder. I think I've related a few... horror stories... in the past on a few other threads. One of the other strong reasons I feel compelled to relocate.

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Chiron conj the Moon--did you have pain with your mother.

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Very much so. She suffered from manic depression (there was apparently some stuff in her family past dad told me about that I can't mention here), was in the hospital for a few weeks for observation when I was in my 2nd go of Kindergarten (Yes I could color inside the lines, shuddup ), then about 4-5 years later, she was admitted into the ICU at the old hospital, stayed in there for 18 days. The day they moved her out as she seemed to be doing better... she passed away. I was 11 and just starting 5th grade. It was a very traumatic year, and my 5th grade teacher's troubles were compounded both with dealing with me dealing with this and the fact she apparently was going through a not-so-friendly divorce at the same time.

That said, Mom did do what she could with me, and she did love me as much as she could despite the difficulties she was going through.

posted June 04, 2013 10:32 PM            

It's still a subject I'm researching extensively.

Yes, great subject to research!

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posted June 04, 2013 10:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would think His Moon transiting the 8th house would be super important. Is that right, Friends?

I would wonder what neptune was doing as ruler of the 8th. In which House was Neptune?

What were the aspects to Neptune?

Jupiter conj Uranus in the 8th---I am not sure how this would add to the understanding of this death, other than Jupiter in the 12th can have many near death kind of situations and survive. Uranus in the 12th can be someone who is very kinky, so to speak, and feels he must hide it. This could cause the guilt and shame that could lead to an addiction. What do you all think?

The 12th House would be suicide, I think. he had Venus in the 8th. Did his venus square Uranus or Jupiter in the 12th.

What was the sign on the 12th House cusp/ I wonder if it's ruler did anything with Neptune, the ruler of the 8th?

I will wait for you to answer.

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posted June 05, 2013 12:08 AM            

I'm scared lol, jus kiding.

posted June 05, 2013 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
Oh sorry for that JFK had Mars in his 7th not 8th just checked it. But still i should take extra care as Mars in 8th known for accidents.

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posted June 06, 2013 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by hippichick:
Late husband shot himself in the head, he was angry that I was divorcing him.

Saggie on the 8th, Jupiter in wide oppo to Uranus and Pluto.

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Do you want to put up his chart with transits, dear one?

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