posted June 07, 2013 05:54 AM            

But I think there's a Higher Consciousness out there, and one day science will probably come to that conclusion.

posted June 07, 2013 06:19 AM            

From my understanding, all feelings of god and like the universe or god understanding you is actually just your mind and brain understanding itself.

Also. I have ideas on how astrology works. But not really. But its interesting that each sign has 2 basic natures. It's element and whether its fixed, cardinal, or mutable. To me that says that if its magnetism, that the magnetism has 3 different natures that it can form (for the fixed, cardinal and mutable part anyway) and then in a different way it has 4 other natures it can form. So when you get down to the building blocks of astrology, each sign really only has 2 characteristics. Its 'element' and its 'nature'. Why they exist, i dont know, we dont know exactly why energy and matter exist.

Also, the planets apparently each have some kind of effect on us, maybe its magenetism also. I dont know. But it has a different effect on our consciousness and makes us feel certain ways when we really tune into that magnetism of whichever planet. It gets hardwired into our brains at birth and we use those planet positions for the rest of our life. But the current planet positioning is always affecting us.

I also have a theory that the signs might be around circular objects. Just because we have the 12 houses around the earth. What the hell are the 12 houses? Do they just coincedently happen to be very similar to the 12 zodiac signs? Or are they actually possibly minor forces of those 12 signs, just around a smaller object which is our earth, as opposed to the solar system that the signs are maybe centered around.

Also, one would assume that wherever you go in the universe, that the 12 signs center around that point. Because lets say that you are on earth and mars is in the sign Taurus. So if you went to mars, then you'd assume that the earth would be in Scorpio.

So what I believe is that means there is no definite fixed borders for where the 12 signs are. Because that would mean astrology wouldnt really work if you were on another planet. So what I believe is that no matter where you go in the universe, that the 12 signs will center around that point. but I might be wrong.

posted June 07, 2013 06:41 AM            

As for astrology, I think it's a matter of collective consciousness. We associate planets with signs and archetypes, which all stem from mythology / ancient beliefs, that have been transmitted to us over the years. I don't think it has anything to do with actual planets in the cosmos having an influence on us (there was a study that denied that, I think). It's more of a "mental" thing, even though it's still hard to comprehend.

Also, there are 12th houses because there are 12th signs - each sign rules a house. And houses are basically just delimited parts in the sky, I'm pretty sure they're theoritical.

Lastly, I don't think there's life on other planets. Astrology was created by humans (as far as I know) and it's only valid here on Earth (although nowadays you can draw charts that are heliocentric, too).

Anyway, it's all quite complicated and everyone's entitled to their own opinion!

posted June 07, 2013 10:17 AM            

I dont know if the planets are magnetism or what they are, but i do believe that they have astrological effects on our brains. And our natal charts seem to be engrained into our brains from birth so to me that seems like its something in this physical/energy/magnetic reality that would cause something like that to happen.

Edit: I addressed what I think about these archetypes on my thread below called "You guys are going to like this one."

I don't think that the human mind is that synchronized, coming from all different parts of the world with different cultures/lifestyles, that they would all look up to the planets and feel the same feeling from a planet. I think their ideas of how the planet affects them would differ all over the world. And if the planets didn't actually originally affect people then why would humanity create ideas of how they affect our behavior, outlook, and motivations? And how those theories of how each planet affects us all turn out to be the same?

And do you really think that astrology was that popular through out human evolution that it would get that strongly engrained in everyones brains in the planet? I'm sure people were always skeptical and if your theory is true that would mean that some people's DNA might have less collective consciousness of astrology if they had lived in cultures or families that didn't even think about astrology. That would mean that in our current day and age that the planets wouldn't affect them as much, correct?

And do you think that even though lots of the planets aren't visible by the naked eye, or the fact that it takes a lot of focus and determination to find a visible planet, that that much of the human population was actually finding them, and somehow from all over the world they came up with the same description of how each planet affects us? And that they all just decided from some starting point, that the planets did affect them when according to your theory, they wouldn't have yet had the collective consciousness and so they were just making stuff up?

I find it much easier to believe that the planets actually DO have some kind physical/energy/magnetic effect on our brains in this universe.

Maybe I am just mis interpreting your belief.
Do you have to actually have conscious knowledge of the planet to affect you before it can? Or are it's affects are just engrained in your unconscious somehow. And that unconscious engrainment is still dependent on the placement of the planets at birth? Idk. I find that really hard to believe.

posted June 08, 2013 05:41 AM            

Archetypes - I meant the ones that are associated with planets - gods in different cultures (like Jupiter - Zeus, Venus - Aphrodite, stuff like that). In mythology, the gods all had certain characteristics, which I believe are represented by the planets (of course now we don't have exactly the same interpretation as thousands of years ago).

About the effect of the planets - I don't think it's conscious, that's the thing. Otherwise it would make no sense whatsoever. One doesn't have to believe in astrology to manifest their natal chart. So to me, it's probably part of the collective "unconscious" - don't ask me what it is exactly, but supposedly we all have it somewhere in the back of our minds, which makes us "know" things unconsciously without necessarily being aware of them (I think I should read more about Jung cause it's getting tricky..).

Anyway, imagine a new planet is discovered. How do you think we'll know what effect it has on us? Tricky, eh? I don't know how astrology was born, but I do think it works mainly because of the associations we make between a certain planet and its traits. And all of these things were put in place ages ago, so now it's become part of the collective unconscious, which is why we act out the astrological placements.

Last point, asteroids - again, most of them are given names that are directly associated with something.. so the archetype is already present in our minds. If you look at the asteroid "Amor" for example, it's only obvious that it represents some form of love, right? And I think that if that same asteroid was called something else, like Karma, well, then it would represent karma, because in our minds that's what we would associate it with (consciously and unconsciously).

posted June 08, 2013 02:59 PM            

Whats interesting is that if you read "the case for astrology" by john anthony west or watch his documentary about egypt on youtube, you'll see there is evidence that astrology was used in egypt as well. Though it's interesting because each if the tweleve signs had a line connecting it to a door which John believes is a symbol for reincarnation, since the egyptians were steing believers in reincarnation. John is an archaeologist who's basically obsessed with egypt, and one day stumbled upon the accuracy of astrology.

posted June 10, 2013 04:15 PM            

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Whats so hard to get about it? Obviously its hard to describe how an aspect will be in a person, especially since every persons chart and lives are different. But I still think it's true. Just look at a person who was born ruled by Saturn. Im an example. I was one of the shyest kids in school. I have many air planets so I am a very communicative person which is in contrast with my friend who has no air planets and barely talks. When my ascendent was in aquarius I was romantically attracted to Aquarians and Leos and now that my ascendent has progressed to Pisces I am more romantically attracted and interested in Piscaens and Virgoes and negative signs in general (which is a rule of ascendents). Ever since my sun has went into the 12th house from the first house, the life changes match the description of how the 12th house very well. My Venus is squared my Mars and I have observed myself and realize one strong trait that is the result from this square. That unless the square aspect is being 'utilized' then I can only harmonize with one of these squared planet's "energies" at a time. Which means that sometimes I'm very soft, delicate and amiable when my Venus is being used and other times when my Mars is being used I dont give a crap what people think about me and I am more rough and outwardly agressive with no Venus or harmonious traits in me at all. I feel that I annoy people a lot when my Mars is being used without the Venus. And one description of Mars square Venus is "you are prone to love hate relationships," so that seemed quite accurate for me.

Ive been making lots of little observations for the evidence of astrology from the time that I've been studying it and so far it all seems true to me.

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