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Topic: Midpoints in synastry
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Orange
Knowflake Posts: 1673
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 25, 2013 11:49 PM
  
What midpoints are y'all using in your synastry investigations?
What about the aspects and orb?
I use conj, opposition, square and semisquare. The orb is 1.00
I use almost all Venus midpoints and Sun/Moon midpointHave you noticed how a midpoint reacts, if at all, when it is activated by another's planet? I need some tangible examples here. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8724
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 12:12 AM
That's cool, Orange, but what about Mars? Midpoints with your obsession are lookin' good btw! Actually, what I am really fascinated by are midpoints and conjunctions. The midpoint gap is so small when planets are conjunct and I wonder how this plays out. Like with Libra planets...people that have sun conjunct them I have iffy relationships with even though seems like they would be smooth sailing. Maybe it's a midpoint thing, since the midpoints between the planets in conjunct, and the ascendant are all jumpled together within the conjunctions. Maybe this is one reason conjunctions are frowned upon, traditionally? There seems to be no separate midpoint. IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 1673
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 26, 2013 12:46 AM
really, SSS? you dont like someone's Sun conjuncting your Libra stellium on Asc?How about if Venus conjucts it? *batting eyelashes* IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8724
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 12:51 AM
It depends on if your Venus is around 9 degrees Libra and since it's well placed there, seems like it would make up for it, and I have Jupiter closeby so that's a bonus for us  I am interested in planets conjunct the ascendant and what the midpoint means concerning those, even the midpoint between one planet and the ascendant if it is conjunct. Do you think it means someone who has a conjunction of their planet with the other person's planet conjunct the ascendant would have a more difficult time simply because the midpoint is contained within the conjunction? I hope that makes sense! I worry the point I am attempting will get lost somehow. If it does, I can elaborate further. It seems accurate with Libra suns and my Libra planets conjunct the ascendant. I had really good Libra friend growing up but the relationship was rocky, we did not see eye to eye on many levels so eventually I gave up on it. IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 1673
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 26, 2013 12:59 AM
Do you have squares or oppositions to the ASC?
I dont have planets on my ASC, except for my North Node, so I dont know. Maybe a natal planet on natal ASC is too selfish (1st house) to accept an intruder. Even though Sun on the ASC is considered the bee's knees.my Venus is at 17' Libra but my Uranus is nested right on top of you, my dear, and my Moon at 11' Gemini trines all your stuff. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8724
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 01:07 AM
I am wondering if any planet on the asc is that great when conjunct in synastry? It's the midpoint thing. Seems like it's too strong when there's a conjunction. However, if the planet conjuncting the ascendant is trine or sextile someone's in synastry, the results could be better?I love moon trines and air moons in general! Looks like your Venus is well into my first house and that could actually be better than it having conjunct the asc, maybe? IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 1673
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 26, 2013 01:17 AM
yes, it's better that my Venus is not on your ASC. First, things like that apparently irks you; and secondly - I'd be drawn to you like a mot to a flame and that's not good.Trines and sextilles do not trigger the midpoints. And the Astrology experts literally wet themselves when discussing planets on Angles in synastry, especially tge ASC...it's supposedly that good.. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8724
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 01:19 AM
I question it only when there's a planet in a natal chart already conjunct the ascendant, not when there's nothing there. Oppositions to the ascendant could play a role, too. If you were drawn to me like a moth to a flame it would be cool because it would be on the forum, lol, I would be flattered, it would be fun. Nothing too serious or to be worried about here. Just conversation Anyway, Orange, you are nice to talk to! I like your threads and your posts. Thanks for coming up with some good ones! IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 1673
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 26, 2013 01:29 AM
^^^^^
so nonchalant...are you afraid of Douxie?
She is a harmless vegetarian
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StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8724
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 01:31 AM
Douxie does an excellent job of keeping the conversation going! Why would I feel threatened? She is so warm to all the new members too. I notice she answers when there aren't any replies. That's very welcoming. She also gives a bit more than just a few words which is what I like most.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted June 26, 2013 01:34 AM
Robert Hand states in his book "horoscope symbols" that in his opinion direct midpoints (conjunctions/oppositions) are as influential as major aspects (using a 1°30 orb for these direct midpoints).Personally I am using the direct midpoint plus the square; the semisquare/ sesisquare seems to have some relevance if under one degree as well, but it all gets more subtle and subtle. If you think about it any two planets have TWO midpoints in a circle. Let`s say 10 Cap and 10 Virgo.
It`s midpoint would be 10 Scorpio AND 10 Taurus.
Any planet squaring this midpoint would actually be falling onto the midpoint of the midpoint axis itself. That is why I think squares to midpoints are still sort of strong,b ut it gets watered down more and more.
I definitely feel my tightest midpoint picture natally: Moon square Mercury/Pluto.
Midpoints which intersect planets that are already in aspect are VERY strong in my experience.
For example if you have a natal square and someone else puts a planet on the exact midpoint.
Happened with my obsession.
My Neptune and NN is square my Jupiter exact, and his Venus falls on the exact midpoint, additionally his Venus is ALSO conjunct my Moon/Venus-midpoint.
Interestingly I have noticed that transits to midpoints are surprisingly descriptive, too.
anyone reading here a while back might have noticed my slight obsession with Jude Law.
His Venus exactly conjuncts my Moon/Pluto-midpoint and his Mercury exactly conjuncts my Venus/Mars-midpoint and I don´t know what else. We have a slew of midpoints actually. lol
The mentioned ones are actually under 10 minutes of arc.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8724
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 02:45 AM
Another thing I find interesting about midpoints, let's say two planets, or say sun and moon, for example, are in exact opposition in a chart. Does the midpoint automatically form a square, and if it does, the planet in synastry that conjuncts it will automatically be caught in the dynamics of a t square with the opposition by being on the midpoint? This could be a source of trouble in the relationship, even if it is a benefic conjunct the midpoint? So, the midpoint between the sun and moon in such a chart would always indicate tension? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 26, 2013 07:23 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
are you afraid of Douxie?
She is a harmless vegetarian
(!) "harmless"?
Keep flirting with strangers and I'll show you my true colors.. quote:
Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Douxie does an excellent job of keeping the conversation going! Why would I feel threatened? She is so warm to all the new members too. I notice she answers when there aren't any replies. That's very welcoming. She also gives a bit more than just a few words which is what I like most.
Aww 
You're actually really nice, maybe I should talk to you instead of Orange.
Okay now about midpoints:
I haven't noticed anything special about them.
I do check them out sometimes but usually there's not much going on. And if someone's planet turns your opposition into a T-square, I think it will create tension but at the same time it may feel very compelling (maybe that's the midpoint effect?) and you'll probably want to work on things and solve the problems.
So there's an ambivalent effect.
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Doux Rêve
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posted June 26, 2013 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It depends on if your Venus is around 9 degrees Libra
I have my Sun/Moon MP at 8'5 Libra.. tee hee. IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 1673
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 26, 2013 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
(!)"Harmless"?
Keep flirting wirh strangers and i will show you...
Just poking you. I'm well aware of your deadly T-square.
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Orange
Knowflake Posts: 1673
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 26, 2013 11:55 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I have my Sun/Moon MP at 8'5 Libra.. tee hee.
dont you dare IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted June 26, 2013 12:58 PM
Pluto on 9 Libra hereIP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 1673
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 26, 2013 01:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Pluto on 9 Libra here
what synastry midpoints you want to see activated in your synastries?
Ebertin is pretty intense regarding Venus/Node midpoint ans writes strongly of all Venus midpoints activated by Pluto. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
Moderator Posts: 13430
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posted June 26, 2013 01:30 PM
Oh I have a slew of midpoints, I like to see activated (and some I check hoping they are not going to be activated too strongly).
Of course I learned about midpoints through Ebertin so I am a little bit influenced (though, well, it all sounds so melodramatic).My preferred midpoints: Sun/Moon
Venus/Mars (for attraction and chemistry) Sun/Venus
Moon/Venus
sometimes even Moon/Mars Sun/Mars
Moon/Venus
(beyond the usual interpretations like energy and emotionality, I see them as a blend of the masculine and feminine qualities. I suspect if a woman`s Sun, Moon, Venus or ASC is conjunct a man`s Moon/Venus-conjunction she might be pretty close to the embodiment of his "ideal woman").
Sun/Jupiter
Moon/Jupiter
Venus/Jupiter
(it`s nice to be happy  )
Moon/Pluto
Venus/Pluto
(I suspect these might be the most intense emotionally) Venus/Uranus: electric magnetism, however, even if it can relate to love at first sight, it might not last; like a synastric Venus-Uranus-aspect Venus/Neptune: like Venus/Uranus it is a double edged sword: might be out of this world, magical, feeling like oyu have met your soulmate, but you can be totally delusional as well Mars/Pluto: okay, this one can be too hot to handle. But the raw sex is there. Of course it can get a little "Shades of grey", especially if you mix it with Venus and Saturn. And then a few with the nodal axis or Vertex.
Nodes/Vertex
Pluto/Node
Vertex/Node
Venus/Node
Venus/Vertex
Personally I also love Jupiter/Neptune and Jupiter/Node, though it is not so much romantic as it is idealistic and uplifting.
Saturn/ Pluto is also a big one, but not an easy one. Very cathartic, but exhausting.
Then I like to see
Mercury/Venus: the flirting and verbal banter is so sweet
Mercury/Jupiter: a bit of friendly communication, support and friendship (Sun/Jupiter and MOon/Jupiter are mainly supportive and friendship-oriented, too, not so much a sign of romance per se).
And yes, I kow those are many
Oh and of course Eros/Psyche-mp (which happens to be opposite Mars/Pluto-mp in my chart.
Eros/Psyche: 7.31 Taurus (right on my PoM and asteroid ACTOR :laughing Mars/Pluto: 7°08 Scorpio Right now my pr Sun is moving into squaring it from 7 Aquarius; will b exact in about 1-2 years. Should be interesting, especially with pr Moon then being on 7 Leo - thus I will have a progressed fullmoon, activating the axis of Eros/Psyche= Mars/Pluto.
Plus Venus/Jupiter is on 8 Aquarius I let you know what happened, if anything at all, in may 2015. lol
(pr Mars will also be conjunct natal Venus by 2 degrees applying)
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StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8724
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 02:58 PM
It''s nicest when you talk to both of us, Doux
This way everyone benefits!I hope you don't mind if I post without quoting you. It's so cool you have your sun/moon midpoint right where my natal Jupiter is and just above the ascending degree. Should mean good things! Do you mind sharing your opinion on midpoints and transits? Is it a good idea to start something when a planet like Venus or Jupiter crosses an important midpoint, like, one involving natal sun and Venus, or the North Node? This is where it starts getting complicated if it wasn't already before. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 26, 2013 04:26 PM
Naah I was just jokin', guys.
Love you all.
Orange, Ceri, SSS  My girls!
Hmm well to be honest, I tried to pay attention to transits when it comes to midpoints and I haven't noticed anything.
Like I had tPluto and tUranus make a T-square with my natal Sun/Moon MP and nothing happened.. or if it did, it wasn't that significant.
Same for Saturn, I remember when it crossed that MP and again, nothing.
So I don't know. I guess if it works for you, then all the power to you.
But it just doesn't seem to be doing it for me. IP: Logged |
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