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sweet-scorpion
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posted June 29, 2013 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to start this thread since I feel that most of my romantic issues stem from this unfortunate placement.

Romantic relationships are never really apt to go my way, or the easy way from this placement [not to mention my 12H ruler Pluto making a trine to my Mars in the 8th...it doesn't help].

I feel that having the ruler of the 5th in the 8th is most of the time, bad news. That relationships are either too intense right off the bat, too obsessive, or with people who don't seem to be what they are or could end up being hateful or too possessive. Can anyone relate?

The 5th house is supposed to be about romance and fun times, right? It seems like the 8th house placement for the 5H ruler will just wipe every notion of casual, happy fun away. It's depressing. I don't know how to get around it.

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posted June 29, 2013 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to hear that it's been causing you troubles.

I think you should pay attention to the "skipped step" - the 7th house of partnership.

Because you can't really get to the 8th house without travelling through the 7th first - that's the place you first "meet" someone on a personal level.

So you probably can't have the "fun" of the 5th house without it being connected to the 7th at the same time, because true intimacy (8th house) comes when you learn to relate to another person (7th house).
And your 5th and 8th houses are connected, so if you want to enjoy the former, you have to satisfy the latter.

The 5th house is pretty childish and self-centered, it doesn't really care about "other" as much as it cares about its own fun and ejoyment.

But here you'd have to take the "partnership" and "intimacy" element into account, and only then will you be able to have fun and enjoy everything your 5th house as to offer.

Hope this makes sense to you..
Mercury retro, hah.

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posted June 29, 2013 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Sorry to hear that it's been causing you troubles.

I think you should pay attention to the "skipped step" - the 7th house of partnership.

Because you can't really get to the 8th house without travelling through the 7th first - that's the place you first "meet" someone on a personal level.

So you probably can't have the "fun" of the 5th house without it being connected to the 7th at the same time, because true intimacy (8th house) comes when you learn to relate to another person (7th house).

And your 5th and 8th houses are connected, so if you want to enjoy the former, you have to satisfy the latter.

The 5th house is pretty childish and self-centered, it doesn't really care about "other" as much as it cares about its own fun and ejoyment.

But here you'd have to take the "partnership" and "intimacy" element into account, and only then will you be able to have fun and enjoy everything your 5th house as to offer.

Hope this makes sense to you..
Mercury retro, hah.


Thank you for replying to my thread and trying to make me feel better. I was just considering my past failed relationships and how it disheartens me, this placement. But what you said about the 7th makes sense. Except my 7H ruler squares my 8H Mars..thus it's squaring my 5h Ruler.

Sigh... no luck in love. And my Saturn squares my ASC/DES axis. Yikes. LOL... I'm bound to be a spinster aren't I. A good looking one hopefully one day.

What do you think it means to have the ruler of the 7th squaring the ruler of the 5th? It's an out of sign square, Merc Scorpio square 29 Cancer Mars. To me it almost feels like I wanna jump into intimacy sooner [not necessarily sex!] than the other person. IDK...

So maybe it means that because my 7h Ruler is squaring my 5H ruler in the 8th, I have to learn how to open myself and my mind up to connecting to another person in order to experience love and passion? And trust more maybe? I'm a little lost about it all.

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posted June 30, 2013 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome, sweetie.

Well, 5th house ruler square 7th house ruler could mean that you have to choose either romance & passion or security and stability.

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So maybe it means that because my 7h Ruler is squaring my 5H ruler in the 8th, I have to learn how to open myself and my mind up to connecting to another person in order to experience love and passion? And trust more maybe?

I definitely think so, yes.

Every aspect can be worked with!
Nothing's doomed.
And come on, you won't be a spinster.
You're way too sexy for that.

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