posted July 01, 2013 09:24 PM            

This was just the worst thing I have ever seen..

The movie is on Netflix call
An American crime.
Sylvia likens

This young 16yr old was left with a care taker, while her parents were working in a carnival.

Long story, but the teenage girl of the caretaker, told Sylvia she was pregnant ( in the 60's)
Sylvia saw the girl being attacked my the married father, so to stop it, she yelled, she's pregnant.

That was the step stone to the whole event..

The girl told her mom, that Sylvia is spreading rumors, and calling her names..
Sylvia was punished with a paddle.

Accusations got worse, and the punishment got severe.

Sylvia was locked in the basement (until she learned her lesson)

She received beyond extreme torture..
She was forced to put a soda bottle up herself,
She was kicked, burned with cigs, scolded with hot water..
The worst part is that the kids brought over their friends to join in on the punishment
The neighbor hood kids joined in on the torture of kicking, burning, throwing her around like a rag doll.
The kids came over every single day to help punish this girl..
Not one single person spoke up..
She was branded on her stomach
I'm a prostitute and proud of it.

Her torture was so extreme, that the movie couldn't get into that much detail, and gruesome acts.
She untimely died from the abuse.

Such a sad story... I had to share it.

Her birth time is unknown

posted July 01, 2013 09:27 PM            

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Likens

posted July 01, 2013 09:59 PM            

If you're thinking about rectifying her Natal Chart how about starting with Uranus/8th house (opposite Venus) this could somewhat describe the sexual connotations and unexpected death.
It will also give her a Libra or Scorpio Ascendant.

posted July 02, 2013 03:46 AM            

Chiron square the Moon:

creates a crisis over feelings and higher consciousness. In the early years, relationships are very difficult and intense. This position tends to appear in nativities of analysts and astrologers, because the early childhood creates many difficult emotional experiences which are a laboratory for understanding people and their complexes once the native has experienced the Saturn return. The potential with this position is the highest level of awareness about human emotions, and this native may even become an adept at connecting the higher self into the body. This native is usually involved with the occult because the Chirotic awareness factor is so intensified. This position also creates serious perceptual difficulties: these natives are so intense that they have great difficulty learning from outside reality and other people. They will tend to change environments and people so often that they will not develop long-term friendships. Channeling and drugs are very dangerous for these natives, because they will use the drugs to color perceptions about reality, and the channeling will just reflect the opinions they already have about other people and themselves. They need to become more objective about their own perceptions or they will entirely lose their ability to use their experiences with others as material to learn lessons from.

I have no idea how anyone could do something like this but I'm glad that you've spoken of her, if only to remember her.

posted July 02, 2013 09:05 AM            

October 26, 1965
Mars in Sagittarius (18°)
Saturn in Pisces (10°)
Uranus in Virgo (18°)
Pluto in Virgo (17°)
True/Mean Node in Gemini (4°/6°)
Chiron in Pisces (18°)

And most of the other planets were in Scorpio…

The tNode (and tSaturn) on her Moon, Saturn and Chiron
tMars, tUranus, tPluto and tChiron on her Venus

posted July 02, 2013 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
I remember reading about this, such a shame.

If you're thinking about rectifying her Natal Chart how about starting with Uranus/8th house (opposite Venus) this could somewhat describe the sexual connotations and unexpected death.
It will also give her a Libra or Scorpio Ascendant.

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Yes, If as you said when she has Libra AC. , her Nessus will be in 7th House. And for a child , 7thH is "parents" . So it might explain some part of her life.

posted July 02, 2013 06:55 PM            

I also recall reading of a teen girl in either late 60s or early 70s who was ordered to shoot her own dog as punishment for having stayed out past curfew. Instead she shot herself as she wasn't a piece of crap like her parents. The parents weren't charged with anything, which makes me think it was a more barbaric time than many would have us remember it as (for that and many other reasons), and I don't doubt she was tormented in other ways as well.

But ah well, I think this from a fantasy horror series has a lot of truth to it (the message given within it) from Carnival of Fear by J. Robert King:

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"But we used to be citizens ourselves. We used to be neighbors and friends of theirs."

"Yes," the Puppetmaster allowed, his voice growing tight. "But now you are abominations: you are everything the citizens hate about themselves, every weakness and perversion they are afraid to discover within."

Marie scrambled past the swooping creature and withdrew to a corner of the cell. "But why would they create us if we are everything they despise?"

The Puppetmaster halted, staring with something akin to pity in his bulging, scorched eye. "Because they need someone to hate. Someone to kill. Or they would hate and kill each other."

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That makes so much sense to me, especially in light of how many who feel some shame make themselves feel better by tormenting others like themselves or similar, and public torture could just be an extreme version of that (but more common than many realize).

Finally, I wanted to add this:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/15/opinion/dawes-syria-video/index.html

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A Syrian rebel carves the heart out of a dead man and bites it. His comrades nearby cheer: "God is great."

This is from a video that is circulating on the Internet. The appalling footage has all the world asking: What kind of people could do this?

We tell ourselves these men must be monsters, people utterly unlike us, people we could never understand. But we don't say this because it is true. We say this because it is comforting to think so. The far more frightening possibility we must face is that such evil is not diabolically inhuman or beyond understanding. It is human -- very human.

How can ordinary men commit such horrific acts? The war criminals I have met did not start out by desecrating corpses, torturing villagers or murdering children. They got there slowly. There are some men who are natural monsters, but most monsters are made.

This is how you make them...

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posted July 02, 2013 07:23 PM            

Yesterday I was talking with a friend and he stated "I read in the newspaper that a man held a knife to a woman's throat and raped her in the park, police are now looking for him."

It sparked a discussion about people and the crimes the commit, naturally.

I stated that I loved everyone even when they have done such crimes. My friend looked shocked as if I'm a monster myself and said "So you would just let someone go if they did something like that? That's more horrible, how could you even say you love someone that does such things!?!"

I said "It's simple, I love everyone, no matter what because I could just as easily have been born into a situation that sparked such occurrences or been born with a brain that was wired differently than the majority, allowing me to commit such crimes. I have the same capability to be evil.

Although, this does not hinder my judgement of those that commit such crimes. I would still separate them from the majority if need be, in whatever capacity the majority decided upon.

In short, we are all the same."

The one thing that he couldn't answer was "A cannibal decides to eat a human. The cannibal doesn't make the human suffer, it shoots it's victim in the head and the victim didn't even see it coming. The cannibal uses the entirety of it's victim for food, jewelry, etc. etc. Is this wrong because he killed a human and it's only okay to kill species other than your own? Should the cannibal be persecuted?"

posted July 02, 2013 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
This was even worse:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shanda_Sharer

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posted July 02, 2013 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:
I think it sort of wrong to look at her chart.
It wasnt Sylvias fault, nore she provoked it.
We should check the charts of all the awful people that tortured her and caused her death, because thats where the sickness and the violence lies.

Transits are just transits, if it wasnt for these horrible people she would be still alive and happy, If we need to examine something it's her torturers charts.

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True it's most definitely not her fault.. She was an innocent victim..
But it's still her story, I wanted to give remembrance to the Sylvia that suffered so deeply...
When there is a horrific crime, sadly the suspect is the one that gets remembered.

Her abuse/ordeal/ death should show how show n her chart..
Only it can only be speculations since her time isn't known.

I just wonder y she received such brutal torture..
Her sister was also in the house, she wasn't physically abused. (Mental yes)
After Sylvia passed, her sister is the one that finally spoke up telling the police every thing that happened..

This is a case that everyone went to jail, neighbors, small kids..

posted July 02, 2013 08:39 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyKitty:
Yes, If as you said when she has Libra AC. , her Nessus will be in 7th House. And for a child , 7thH is "parents" . So it might explain some part of her life.

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The woman was basically a stranger, the dad left the 2 girls in her care on their first meeting.
He paid her $20 a week.

posted July 02, 2013 09:38 PM            

However, interestingly - she has them exactly conjunct mine.

There is something to the Taurus/Scorpio NN/SN axis. I can't explain it in so many words but its incredibly intense, and can be very positive but also very dark in way that is beyond horrible and beyond creepy.
Obviously many people in the same generation would have these Nodes... But it seems to affect some more than others depending on the rest of the chart, the degrees of the Nodes and the rulers..

posted July 03, 2013 10:23 PM            

;(

posted July 05, 2013 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I saw this story on a true crime network, it was featured in a series about women who become killers. It was sickening. I don't understand what causes a group of people to single out one individual to take out all their sadistic impulses on. It's beyond repulsive. And, this isn't the only example. It's the "mob mentality" which I have always despised.

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posted July 05, 2013 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by libraschoice77:
Still cant believe no one went to the authorities about it.

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posted July 05, 2013 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It seems like brainwashing to me. The woman was in control of all the young people. She manipulated them, brainwashing through threats and fear, she was very sick and abusive. If I remember, there was a daughter with a bf that she managed to manipulate the most or, I could be confusing it with another true crime story where the mother talks her daughter's bf into murdering her ex husband or something...

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posted July 05, 2013 11:28 AM            

This same thing happens in child abuse cases, where the parents are convinced their child is hopelessly bad, a lost cause, and convinces others of it, so they constantly beat the kid, and others go along with it, thinking it's the only way to treat such a terribly behaved child.

Maybe this is the dynamic of abuse, how the cycle gets started so people need to step back, take a deep breath and really think about how irrational what they are thinking and their actions are. This is the point a clear headed person needs to enter their life, call authorities and put an end to it, way before it escalates.

Judging by what I know about this, I would put her moon void in the last degrees of Aquarius, not Pisces.