posted July 12, 2013 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Pluto-up From the Flo up...
Pluto in Scorpio is a wandering generation. I imagine this may cause Pluto in Scorpio to 1) feel horribly misunderstood, as if they speak a language that only their generation can understand. And 2) much higher evolved than their parents, because they do not need words or symbols to relate with the world. I imagine this could also make Pluto in Libra feel very left out, having a child who they don't understand how to communicate with LOL.
Pluto in Scorpio has no structure, everything is intangible and transparent; laws, rules, protocol, occasionally people's feelings, etc.. The real struggle for this generation I feel, is discovering something of true value in life. It's sort of like waking up in a video game and knowing it's not real... how can you take the world seriously with that knowledge?

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Pluto in Cancer (1914-1939) creates a focus on traditional, territorial and inherited values
Obsessed with: Tradition, family, the home country.
Responsible for: the refrigerator, the BNP, the KKK and women’s lib.
At best: thrifty and supportive.
At worst: racist and cranky.

Pluto in Leo (1939-1958) has problems all its own – every Hadean generation does without doubt – and here the themes of the Sun and the 5th house are given especial focus. Status, egotism, self-centredness and pride are the most difficult facets of these years and the broadly narcissistic focus of Leo is given a difficult dose of Plutonic force. Obsessed with: status, appearances and youth.
Favourite things: Hair-dos, sports cars, diamonds and sunbathing.
Responsible for: plastic surgery, psychotherapy, rock n’ roll, Hollywood and the stock market.
At best: warm and generous.
At worst: self-obsessed and hysterical.

Pluto in Virgo? This generation (1959-1972)
Obsessed with: health, work and being clever.
Favourite things: Health and fitness clubs, reality TV, gadgets, Ikea and dietary supplements.
Responsible for: the end of trade-unionism, environmentalism, recycling and nutritional information labels on food.
At best: meticulous and modest.
At worst: carping and finicky (to the point of OCD).

Pluto in Libra conversely doesn’t have much time for being meticulous about work, they simply want to be appreciated and appear attractive. While Pluto in Leo resorted to cosmetic surgery to fend off the horrors of aging, Pluto in Libra has utilised the same facility to get themselves a bigger pair of boobs and a nicer looking nose.
Obsessed with: attractiveness, flirting and popularity.
Favourite things: Networking, cellphones, boob-jobs, style (over substance) and celebrity couples.
Responsible for: Facebook, Extreme Makeover, Trinny & Susannah and What Not to Wear, botox, crop-tops and Ecstasy.
At best: poised and charming.
At worst: vain and superficial.

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posted July 12, 2013 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Yeah sometimes I see a group of shady teenage girls heckling pedestrians.. Everybody keeps their head down and walks away terrified.

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Remember how intense Hannie Montanie (Hannah Montana) fans used to be?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fg3o7rlhQQ

posted July 12, 2013 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Textbook:
Pluto in Libra - this is my generation. And yeah in general "love" is a big deal for us, that does seem to be our whole theme. I wouldn't even say it's about marriage or a formal relationship specifically, but more like we feel this compulsion to form deep bonds with other human beings whatever form that takes, as much as humanly possible. All we wanna do is give and receive love, and experience as much pleasure as possible, and give as much pleasure to other people as possible. And yeah compared to most generations? We are kinda mellow and passive, very peaceful. I think the Scorpio generation looks down on us in contempt because we aren't as power and domination hungry and status and success hungry as they are, and yeah they do tend to try to dominate us or push us around. We tend to get on pretty well with Pluto in Leo who I think finds us relatively gentle and harmless; I've noticed that Pluto in Virgo people tend to love Pluto in Scorps, and hate Pluto in Librans. Both Pluto in Scorp and Pluto in Virgo seem kinda abrasive to me and share that kinda hard-a$$ mentality and a shared love of and desire for, power; so I think that's where their mutual appreciation for one another, comes from.

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Generally speaking, that's true of me as well. Strangely, I don't seem to be close to anyone with a Scorpio Pluto, and I've only formed close bonds with a handful of people with Virgo Pluto while getting along famously with many Leo Plutos. And I seem to do well with Sag Plutos as well, plus many close friends of Libra Pluto. I kinda thought that maybe it was because I had a Leo ascendant with most of my placements split about even between Libra (some on Scorpio cusp) and Sag. (That said, I realize people are more than their Pluto, and what I'm sharing here is more how it worked out than what I made happen.)

And I am all about the close relationships and social harmony, I'm just simply not focused on finding one person as most women tend to think of it.

posted July 12, 2013 05:07 PM              

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Remember how intense Hannie Montanie (Hannah Montana) fans used to be?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fg3o7rlhQQ

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posted July 12, 2013 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
You sound delicious. What's your Sun, Libra or Scorpio? 29th degree planets are really interesting to me. I think yours is expressing perfectly (which isn't always good for the possessor).

[...] Wanna get married? Get a drink?

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Well, I wore some cologne today.

No kidding about self-expression. The last thing people want to hear about on a date is personal issues.

Get married first, and then get a drink? Haha... sure, why not.

posted July 12, 2013 07:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Blackbird is delicious. I saw his pic and he is Yum

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*shakes head and blushes*

posted July 12, 2013 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Pluto-up From the Flo up...

The Pluto in Leo people I know tend to be obsessed with their personal dramas, even to the detriment of some valuable relationships. Whatever desires/difficulty patterns arise in their chart consume their life. It's as if they will explode into a million peaces if they don't address their desires/dramas right now. Many Pluto in Leo people I know, grew up in a time when mainstream society was beginning to challenge acceptability with individuality. Many of them are also responsible however for standing up for their own human rights and paving the way for their children to grow up in a non-Orwellian non-McCarthyist society. Their parents were mostly Pluto in Gemini and generally obsessed with fitting in rather than standing out. Their grand parents were generally Pluto in Aries/Taurus, self-made and/or hedonistic. As children they were born out of WW2 and grew into the Vietnam conflict. They were raised to believe, "Any day now, some commie is gonna drop the bomb on you" and I think this not only inspired courage, but disillusionment once they realized they were being frightened into obedience.

History generally remembers people of/among this generation who stood up against social regimentation. This is the generation who had to find the courage to say, "I'm going to live life my way, not yours!" even in the face of guns and fire hoses. Unfortunately Pluto doesn't do things half way, the desire to rule their own lives extends to not letting loved ones and responsibility force them to make uncomfortable decisions. Many parents from this generation, having spent their lives relating AT the world, had difficulty understanding their Pluto Libran children's need to be taught how to relate WITH the world. I'll elaborate when we get to Pluto in Libra.

Pluto in Virgo people seem to be obsessed with protocol, appearances, and serving a purpose. Additionally, they seem to have realist perspectives of idealized personal expectations. An example of this is someone who works hard to game the system, so they can live above their means, and maintain a specific appearance. The seemingly healthier approach is to live within one's means and direct their hard work toward building a stable life to which they aspire. This generation's parents were mostly Pluto in Cancer/Leo so they were raised with parents who were either too busy with personal endeavors to teach their children how to build a stable life, or so obsessed with maintaining a perfect home image that they neglected to impart a realistic comprehension of what to expect when you grow up (Donna Reed had Pluto in Cancer). Pluto in Virgo's grandparents were Pluto Taurus/Gemini and obsessed not only with being socially acceptable, but working hard to live in comfort.

Pluto Virgo made their big debut throughout the 70's and 80's they knew there was a threat of nuclear annihilation, but their parents didn't seem bothered with it, so they followed suit. Where Pluto in Leo made rebellion important, Pluto in Virgo needed to categorize rebellion, making it fashionable. They idealized uniqueness and put a lot of emphasis on different styles defining different social types (yuppies, hippies, rockers, jocks, goths, punks, preps, etc...) worked hard to successfully categorize and manifest it in all shapes, sizes, and ugly haircuts. As parents, Pluto in Virgo people seem to want to keep up with the Joneses at the expense of complete financial ruin. My sister is Pluto in Virgo. She hasn't paid rent in 2 months, but her two kids attend dance classes, violin, singing, and piano lessons, gymnastics, and have participated in 3 different kid's camps this summer. Next week she and my nieces are attending a dance competition on a cruise ship and she is more upset about not being able to fit into her formal gown than losing her house.

Pluto in Libra seem obsessed with relationships definitely and there is good reason. Their Pluto in Leo/Virgo parents were both very preoccupied people and often incapable of forming valuable relationships with their kids. Pluto in Libra kids were the first to face mass divorce, single parent households, and were popularly refereed to as "latch key kids", because there were often no parents at home when they came home from school. It was also popular in some places for parents to send Pluto in Libra teens to mental hospitals when they couldn't control them. This generation's grandparents were Pluto in Gemini/Cancer, obsessed with social acceptability and creating a nurturing/traditional environment for their family. Because Pluto in Libra didn't have family or home, their friends became their family and their hang out spots became their home. The traditions/nurturing witnessed in their grandparents were channeled then, out into the street and toward expanding their social circles.
Pluto in Libra were obsessed with making uniqueness functional/relative and this is why they grew up with movies like "The Breakfast Club"; a story about 5 completely different individuals who are not socially compatible, but who learn to find a common ground. They are the generation who turned disco into techno, threw raves, and coined terms like P.L.U.R (Peace, Love, Unity and Respect). Pluto in Libra was also the first generation to experience the wide-spread use of MDMA.

I think it's important in understanding this Pluto, to understand this generation is a fulcrum generation. They mark the moment when an individual and object-oriented society begins to shift its focus into more collective and subject oriented matters. This is the generation who was old enough to remember a world without video games/computers/internet/social networking, yet young enough to have still participated in those experiences as young people. I think one of the greatest markings of Pluto in Libra is the phrase, "it's not fair". This generation has the capacity for deeply relating with the struggles of people, because they comprehend fairness deeply. They were one of the first generations to do to Pluto in Leo, what Pluto in Leo did to its government. Pluto in Libra felt it was their duty to point out when their role-models acted unjustly or with disregard to the humanity of all affected. This included the times when parents disciplined their kids out of frustration instead of correction. Pluto in Leo can be heavy handed with discipline and Pluto in Libra merely needs a rational explanation in order to improve their behavior.

Something else to mention is the transition of Uranus from Libra to Scorpio. People with Pluto and Uranus in Libra were less defiant than those with Uranus in Scorpio. So on one end of the generation we see the more romantic/social relationship oriented people and on the other, a group of people who were focused on exploring the depths of social spirituality, telepathic/empathic connection, and the meaning of life. This generation experienced Pluto sextile Neptune, with Uranus semi-sextile Neptune/Pluto.

Pluto in Scorpio is a wandering generation. Their parents were Pluto in Virgo/Libra so they are often raised by parents who are obsessed with providing a specific kind of nourishment (even if that nourishment is not helpful) or people who have developed their own social rules. Pluto Virgo Parents tend to give a lot of freedom within the confines of their ideal, while Pluto Libra leans toward letting their child explore, but offering help when they observe it may be needed. Both are difficult for Pluto in Scorpio to cope with, because what they experience is nondescript and both types of parents need words or signals to be able to help their child appropriately. I imagine this may cause Pluto in Scorpio to 1) feel horribly misunderstood, as if they speak a language that only their generation can understand. And 2) much higher evolved than their parents, because they do not need words or symbols to relate with the world. I imagine this could also make Pluto in Libra feel very left out, having a child who they don't understand how to communicate with LOL.

Pluto in Scorpio's grandparents are Pluto in Cancer/Leo. Leo/Cancer are much less fussy than Virgo or Libra, and Pluto in Leo's "do what you want, I got stuff of my own to deal with" policy mixed with Pluto in Cancer's "If that makes you happy sweetie here, take some cookies for your trip" approach instills a sense of independence which Virgo/Libra have difficulty producing. Pluto in Scorpio has no structure, everything is intangible and transparent; laws, rules, protocol, occasionally people's feelings, etc.. The real struggle for this generation I feel, is discovering something of true value in life. It's sort of like waking up in a video game and knowing it's not real... how can you take the world seriously with that knowledge?

Pluto in Sag is a generation of explorers. Their parents are Pluto in Libra/Scorpio, so they learn at a young age they are not only free to roam, but that they are accountable for their actions. Their grand parents are Pluto Leo/Virgo which instills in them a sense of self and a desire to go do something ideal/good/big.This is the first mostly technological generation and they can spend a lot of time with their faces buried in a screen. Part of this has to do with the fact that Pluto in Sag are almost capable of raising their selves. A major learning experience for this Pluto is the establishment of boundaries. Pluto in Libra will guide when asked for help, and attempt to set rules which respect their child's freedom. They expect that as long as they are diplomatic and explanatory, their child should be thoroughly equipped for following the rules. Pluto Sag learns to be inquisitive in an attempt to gain knowledge from their parents, but knowing what questions to ask poses some difficulty. Pluto in Scorpio will only get involved when a threat arises, or alternately can smother their kid, forcing them to venture away on their own. So their kids often learn boundaries through trial and error. Over all Sag Pluto has the capacity to be very self sufficient and responsible, but life can occasionally end up feeling like a bit of a task. When this happens, this generation can get goofy and when Sag gets goofy, stuff gets broken. I think a large challenge for this generation is applying their world view to a specific set of information, without understanding that their set is limited to the questions they never knew to ask. Pluto Sag are quite capable, but the burden really falls on them to educate their selves.

Pluto in Cap are interesting so far. I see a lot of focus, a strong obsession with reward, and a bit of an opportunist streak. My Niece is still young though so I don't have much to contribute on that one.

I may or may not edit this tonight. If not, sorry for the brutal errors bound to exist. =)[/b]

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QFT. Thanks so much for this!

I ran out of time to read it earlier but finally got back to it and it's worth the read!

posted July 13, 2013 12:15 AM            

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well that's not the point.... These guys murdered people and all people can talk about is how hot they are. I don't know about you but that disturbs me.

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It's a plot to eventually be able to say

"Hot people don't make mistakes. The question we should be asking is "What did that ugly person do to make this hot person kill them?" srsly lik wut da *** ?!"

posted July 13, 2013 12:16 AM            

& I'm just here like

Reminds me of Aries & Leo in many ways, very selfish, self centered and wanting too much attention - going to extremes just to get it.
Think of the tampon girl and such

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LiesLilithsaidtouranus: We are a generation of Neo- hippies, sounding all wisdom~y. We lack morality and are really the ,Me me me! generation.

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posted July 13, 2013 12:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
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True this is true for them..
the social networking site i'm on besides this site is gmail and tumblr.
I still have a tumblr because I love all the pictures,
I don't even interact with anyone people.

This is typical of pluto in scorp me thinks?
Love kingsly btw.
He's a total Cap.

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Me too. I used to reblog pictures in tumblr all day haha.

I have fb, twitter and IG accounts but I rarely post personal matters there. I'm even more outspoken here than I am in those three abovementioned sites.

posted July 13, 2013 12:31 AM            

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Blackbird: Well, I wore some cologne today.

No kidding about self-expression. The last thing people want to hear about on a date is personal issues.

Get married first, and then get a drink? Haha... sure, why not.

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Oh, what scent? Did anyone compliment you on it? I bet you smelt wonderful.

Well, looking at your Mars/Venus in Virgo, I get the impression that you'd be gentle, considerate, and sensitively slow. But my Mars in Leo has enough passion for two, and in H12? Personal issues are a fuel, baby.

posted July 13, 2013 09:41 AM            

I've noticed a few of ushave really delayed marriage (and we're starting to get up there) not because they don't believe in it, but because they want it to be *perfect* when it happens.

I have seen that focus on perfection focus across the board, though, from those who want the day and ceremony to be perfect to those who want to find a partner with whom they can perfectly relate.

posted July 13, 2013 11:07 AM            

I think some of the "obsessed with sex, money, and power!!!" stuff is a little overblown. Particularly since, in America at least, a lot of us have NO money or power. A good chunk of us are unemployed, or forced to take unpaid internships, or at low-level entry jobs because there's not enough worker overturn. (Sex depends on the person, but I seriously doubt we're any more sex-crazed than previous generations, even if we show it a little differently. I know you were all horny teenagers and twenty-somethings once, don't lie.)

However, I think due to the connections with the taboo, transformations, death and rebirth, sex, and secrets being uncovered, we'll probably see more from the Pluto Scorps once they actually start getting involved in government. I think at this point, the Pluto Scorps are going to be the ones to finalize the legalization of same-sex marriages across America, legalize abortion, and begin providing comprehensive sex education in public schools. I'm crossing my fingers for free (or at least super-cheap) birth control.

I also expect massive overhauls to America's finances, from government spending to the stock market to private corporations.

posted July 13, 2013 11:57 AM              

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I have Scorpio pluto. I get along quite well with my peers, although there are certain things I’ve noticed that kinda irks me. Some of them tend to be quite extreme. Melodramatic and sometimes make a mountain out of a mole hill. Search for the "stark, naked truth" and don't stop to give benefits of the doubts. A lot of my friends are hell-bent on getting rich and famous.

About other pluto generations, our contacts/relationships.. are pretty much hit and miss. Especially with Pluto in Libra. A lot of articles I’ve read describe these people as peaceful and mellow, which sounds very good to me. But thinking about the Libra pluto people who I know in real life, they seem to be the opposite of peaceful and mellow. They have their own “clan”, they’re a bit like the high-school mean girls or the snobby sorority girls in movies. Obsessed with appearance and luxury goods, quite petty and too judgemental of other people.

Pluto in virgo, I've seen quite a few of the early pluto in virgo people laugh at the young kids coz the young kids have just stepped into the big world. And the younger kids laugh at them coz they’re near the exit door.

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I'm Pluto in Scorpio and I don't get along with the Pluto Libra generation, that was one thing I had in the back of my mind as I read the responses in this thread.

posted July 13, 2013 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Nicole401:
My Pluto in Sag Generation overwhelms me. They're just too open. Its too much. They feel the need to document every second of their life and every single thought on every social site (which is why so many teenagers love twitter - it's like an open diary) , its insane.

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posted July 13, 2013 12:05 PM              

We're obsessed with horror (think: the massive success of The Walking Dead, American Horror Story, all the new horror shows just starting to hit cable), just about every horror movie they put out opens at #1 or close and I think our generation is probably driving that. We're morbid and our suicide rate is supposedly very high.

posted July 13, 2013 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I kind of look forward to seeing what the Pluto in Capricorn generation will do. I think they will usher in the rebirth of the patriarchy.

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posted July 13, 2013 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Nicole401:
My Pluto in Sag Generation overwhelms me. They're just too open. Its too much. They feel the need to document every second of their life and every single thought on every social site (which is why so many teenagers love twitter - it's like an open diary) , its insane.

& I'm just here like

Reminds me of Aries & Leo in many ways, very selfish, self centered and wanting too much attention - going to extremes just to get it.
Think of the tampon girl and such

Then again, I'm not exactly in love with my generation soooo ...

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posted July 13, 2013 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I'm not sure this counts as part of the "Pluto in Capricorn" generation, but the whole "Occupy Wall Street" movement was associated with Pluto in Capricorn square Uranus in Aries. So, to me, it seems like Pluto in Capricorn is about overthrowing old systems of everything from the ground up.

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I certainly hope the Pluto Caps are like this!

posted July 13, 2013 01:28 PM            

Which kind of describes the rebellious streak of Sagittarius pluto generation in a few sentences. At times we have no respect for authority figures.