posted July 20, 2013 04:44 AM            

Haven't read it so I can't tell.
But really, Water and Air & Fire and Earth?
Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

posted July 20, 2013 04:53 AM            

i am a fire sign -- predominantly fire with 5 of the 9 planets in fire.

my boyfriend and best friend are both earth signs. i have always had a natural affinity towards them. i thought it might be my earth moon.

earth signs ground me. i like the stability. i always figured i brought out their enthusiasm.

water signs would bring out air's emotions and air would bring water rationality.

makes sense to me.

in a shallow sense, like at work, i get along best with fire and air.

posted July 20, 2013 07:22 AM            

Also water and fire, and air and earth do have something in common, as water and fire both are very emotional signs, whereas air and earth are more the rational types (only in a very broad general sense of course).

Speaking of Liz Greene, actually reading her description of fire signs was the FIRST time I ever understood why I was having such a preponderance of firesigns in my chart. I never could identify with the description as outgoing, extrovert, dramatic etc.

posted July 20, 2013 02:17 PM            

Thanks for the link.

Fire / Water combos can be very volatile, by the way, because both are very emotional but Fire tends to hurt Water too much with their tactless ways, and consequently Water withdraws or broods, or lashes out.

posted July 20, 2013 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
carl jung was a leo with taurus moon and fixed rising too

i am a fire sign -- predominantly fire with 5 of the 9 planets in fire.

my boyfriend and best friend are both earth signs. i have always had a natural affinity towards them. i thought it might be my earth moon.

earth signs ground me. i like the stability. i always figured i brought out their enthusiasm.

water signs would bring out air's emotions and air would bring water rationality.

makes sense to me.

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Yes, that's pretty much what LG is referring to in her book. It seems like to have successful relationships, you need to get in touch with whatever is weak in your own chart so as not to project that onto others and ending up with a love/hate relationship. Air needs to come to grips with their emotions and really FEEL them (I'm double air and, yah, I do find my emotions embarrassing, but not as much as when I was young). Water needs to develop rational reasoning (someone with watery mercury will drive me crazy). Fire needs to be grounded. Earth needs to develop passion and enthusiasm.

Reading her book makes me appreciate the balance in my chart. Prior to this, I thought of it more as TENSION. Aquarius sun in 4th house? Uranus in LEO? Leo moon in the 10th house? Jupiter CONJUNCT Saturn? But now I see it as a potential for a lot of wholeness. Interesting that the guy I'm attracted to is heavy on both fire and earth -- like he's also his own complement; I love that. He reminds me of a Franklin stove . Practical passion, artistic businessman, enthusiasm on a leash!

posted July 20, 2013 09:56 PM            

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Originally posted by bumblebee:
I suppose it is based on Jung psychological types. Here is one link, scroll down on page
http://www.astro.com/mtp/mtp82_e.htm

and one more
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_pa_psycho_e.htm

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Yes, I do believe you're right! Thanks for providing the links.

posted July 20, 2013 10:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
on fire signs

"They are children at heart, and are inclined to live in a world of fantasy where people are really knights on white horses, or princesses imprisoned in castles, or dragons which must be challenged and slain. The fiery type has a strong need to mythologize his experiences and relate them to an inner world which belongs more to the world of fairy tales than to "reality". It is no wonder that so many fiery types are drawn to the world of the theatre."
http://mindfire.ca/Relating%20-%20Air,%20Water,%20Earth,%20Fire%20-%20The %20Psychological%20Types.htm

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Yes, my Leo moon really relates to this. I still love fairy tales. Participating in plays/musicals or dressing up and going to a Renaissance Faire is something that I find deeply appealing. I love the "knight in shining armor" feeling of coming to the rescue.

I've found all her descriptions of the elements to be quite good -- insightful and portrayed with just enough humor to make a bitter pill of truth easier to swallow. I laughed out loud when I read:

posted July 21, 2013 08:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Jkitty:
Yes, that's pretty much what LG is referring to in her book. It seems like to have successful relationships, you need to get in touch with whatever is weak in your own chart so as not to project that onto others and ending up with a love/hate relationship. Air needs to come to grips with their emotions and really FEEL them (I'm double air and, yah, I do find my emotions embarrassing, but not as much as when I was young). Water needs to develop rational reasoning (someone with watery mercury will drive me crazy). Fire needs to be grounded. Earth needs to develop passion and enthusiasm.

Reading her book makes me appreciate the balance in my chart. Prior to this, I thought of it more as TENSION. Aquarius sun in 4th house? Uranus in LEO? Leo moon in the 10th house? Jupiter CONJUNCT Saturn? But now I see it as a potential for a lot of wholeness. Interesting that the guy I'm attracted to is heavy on both fire and earth -- like he's also his own complement; I love that. He reminds me of a Franklin stove . Practical passion, artistic businessman, enthusiasm on a leash!

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posted July 22, 2013 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
on fire signs

"They are children at heart, and are inclined to live in a world of fantasy where people are really knights on white horses, or princesses imprisoned in castles, or dragons which must be challenged and slain. The fiery type has a strong need to mythologize his experiences and relate them to an inner world which belongs more to the world of fairy tales than to "reality". It is no wonder that so many fiery types are drawn to the world of the theatre."
http://mindfire.ca/Relating%20-%20Air,%20Water,%20Earth,%20Fire%20-%20The %20Psychological%20Types.htm

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Damn, I seem to wind up quoting you a lot lately Ceri.

I relate to this as well. I'm a Capricorn Sun/ Cancer Moon, and am definitely on the reserved side of the spectrum... However, I've also got Asc, Mercury, Venus and Neptune all in Sagittarius, and Mars in Leo. My Cap Sun is a little embarrassed to admit it, but I do tend to mythologize, idealize, romanticize, and look for meaning, synchronicity, and beauty, around me. Must be how all the fire in my chart expresses itself. I'm no class-clown. I've had occasional moments of standing out/being amusing and what not. Overall, my personality is quiet though, and I have that typical Cap obsession with 'responsibility'.

About Liz Greene, I think I agree that in a way Air/Water and Fire/Earth balance each other out, and give each other perspective that would otherwise be lacking. In a way, they 'need' each other. Not that EVERYONE with Air needs water, or that EVERYONE with Fire needs Earth. It's just this weird gravitational thing between these two pairs of elements that, in general, I've noticed over time. They often fall in love, and usually this has to do with a desire to learn about the 'other side' of life, and an attraction to that which is different.

Air tends to be brilliant at social/intellectual things, but they can feel a little awkward in the emotional department. Water drifts around in a sea of moods and feelings, but their objectivity can get a little hazy. Air offers Water the chance to learn about objectivity, and overcoming personal biases. Water offers Air the chance to learn about bonding deeply with others, and just feeling what you're feeling. Even if your feelings don't match your ideas of how things should be. Water offers privacy, and the emotional security of closeness in tight personal relationships. Air offers openness, and social/intellectual circulation amongst humanity in general.

I've noticed that Air and Water, even though they are supposedly 'incompatible', have a certain fascination with each other.

The romantic relationships are especially interesting. Air is curious about what it's like to 'dive deep', while Water wonders what it's like to fly around all over the place. The contrast between Air and Water is even sharper then with Air/Fire or Water/Earth. Air is outgoing and even more objective then Earth. Water is reserved and has emotions even deeper then Fire's excited passions. I think these elements learn a great deal from one another.

As long as the overall synastry is pretty good, there's no reason Air and Water can't have an amazing relationship. I think they make really cute couple actually. My Cancer grandma had two long marriages with one Libra after another, and had a couple of Gemini boyfriends. She's fallen for Air sign guys all her life.

Fire is full of idealism and romance. They are loaded with energy and have tons of inspiration. Yet they're somewhat uncomfortable with functioning within the limited confines of the physical world. Earth is the opposite. Earth is at ease with the day to day functioning needed to survive in the physical world, they are patient and willing to do what they need to do to get where they want to be. Yet Earth lacks the inspired passion that fire has to make life seem ‘magical’ and meaningful. These two elements together are like a mixture of practicality and inspiration. Fire supplies the concept and passionate force behind a project, while Earth supplies ability to make this happen in the real world, step by step. Earth teaches Fire patience with the necessary realities of life, and the serenity of accepting them. Fire teaches Earth how to see the meaning in life beyond mundane practicalities, and how to soar high with your passions and joy.

Like with Air/Water, the contrast between Fire/Earth is sharper then Air/Fire and Water/Earth. Earth is reserved and steady, while Fire is outgoing and excitable. And like with Air/Water, I’ve noticed the fascination thing is strong between these two elements as well. And when they fall in love the couples are super cute too. My father was an Aries, and he fell for Taurus and Virgo women his whole life. My mother was a Taurus.

Actually, I think I just have a fascination in oddly matched couples. In my mind they’re always the most interesting. Air/Water and Fire/Earth fit the bill. This, besides the fact that I’ve noticed a general magnetism between these two pairs of elements overall. I think it might be a real thing.

posted July 22, 2013 09:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
I have my theories about the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses in attraction. I believe they do work. But I also believe on more basic, primative level, then house synastry attractions, that there’s something special going on between these two pairs of elements. They seem to be pulled together rather fatefully on repeated occasions, to make something better together then they would have by themselves.

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I've been going through the archives searching for synastry posts by you and Ceridwen. Love the depth and insight that both of you contribute. I've found that your posts dealing with secondary rulerships VERY helpful in understanding what attracts me to a man. I've only got one planet in my 5th, 7th & 8th houses, but when I look toward my 4th house (Mars in Cancer is ruler of 7th house cusp) where I have Jupiter, Saturn and Sun, that tells me A LOT about why this airy woman likes earthy/fiery guys.

Using Liz Greene's approach initially puzzled me. I'd say that water was the least attractive element to me. But when I combine what she wrote with your insight into houses, it makes so much more sense to me. I think what we're all ultimately looking for is someone to fill in the gaps and compensate for our areas of weakness.

posted July 23, 2013 06:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Damn, I seem to wind up quoting you a lot lately Ceri.

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It`s an honour to me.

I could have quoted all what you wrote here, but yes, I agree, like practically always. lol

Also I think that maybe a good balanced situation would be if a couple had common ground in one element and complementing the other lacking element.

Example:

She: Water dominant - lack of earth - fire present
Him: water dominant - earth clearly present - lack of fire.

Both would find a shraed space and understanding when it comes to the feeling side of things (water); additionally she could add enthusiasm, while he could add the groundedness.

posted July 23, 2013 06:07 AM            

But yes, I agree, Lotiswhite`s depth in analysis is really what is needed to get a full grasp of a chart.
I am often so frustrated with the scratching of the astrological surface and singling out of isolated symbols on here, but always enjoy reading Lotis posts immensely.
And to be fair there are some really outstanding people here with a great indepth knowledge, and it is always a pleasure to wrap my mind around what they are writing.

posted July 23, 2013 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
JKitty,

But yes, I agree, Lotiswhite`s depth in analysis is really what is needed to get a full grasp of a chart.
I am often so frustrated with the scratching of the astrological surface and singling out of isolated symbols on here, but always enjoy reading Lotis posts immensely.
And to be fair there are some really outstanding people here with a great indepth knowledge, and it is always a pleasure to wrap my mind around what they are writing.

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But we all have to start somewhere! My focus is limited to natal, synastry and composites and I limit those to the luminaries, angles, planets and chiron. Everything else is over my head, but what I do learn I try to learn deeply and get a really firm grasp on it.

Off topic, but how do you like Dawn Bodrogi's Inner Wheel? I think she gets really deep!

posted July 23, 2013 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Jkitty:
Off topic, but how do you like Dawn Bodrogi's Inner Wheel? I think she gets really deep!

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I love her!

I think Ceri likes her, too.

posted July 23, 2013 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Jkitty:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[b]JKitty,

But yes, I agree, Lotiswhite`s depth in analysis is really what is needed to get a full grasp of a chart.
I am often so frustrated with the scratching of the astrological surface and singling out of isolated symbols on here, but always enjoy reading Lotis posts immensely.
And to be fair there are some really outstanding people here with a great indepth knowledge, and it is always a pleasure to wrap my mind around what they are writing.

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But we all have to start somewhere! My focus is limited to natal, synastry and composites and I limit those to the luminaries, angles, planets and chiron. Everything else is over my head, but what I do learn I try to learn deeply and get a really firm grasp on it.

Off topic, but how do you like Dawn Bodrogi's Inner Wheel? I think she gets really deep!

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It sounds as if you have a very good approach to learning, not jumping to the flashy-catchy things, but learning about the basics. Yes.

Funnily I was considering if I should mention the inner wheel blog to you. lol
Imo she writes some of the most accurate stuff; I can`t recommend her enough.

For example her articles on the angles is just superb; but also some of the other things.

On the other hand maybe I am just thinking that, cause she sort of always confirms and fleshes out what I have been thinking myself.

posted July 23, 2013 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

I think Ceri likes her, too.

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posted July 23, 2013 06:13 PM            

She wrote a couple of articles on the Vertex that I was really impressed by.

@ Ceri, I love your astro style as well.

About the elements, I get what you mean. In relationships it's good to see a solid common ground, as well as each partner contributing what the other lacks element-wise.

I think the elements I'd like to have in common with someone are a lot of Fire, and a bit of Water.

But since I lack Air, I think I'd like to experience some Air from the other person's chart. Since Earth is not usually a big attraction for me, maybe Earth is what I'd wind up contributing.

posted July 24, 2013 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
It's kind of amusing to see what happens when two completely different approaches try to meld, and work things out.

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Or maybe it's because my 7th house ruler is retrograde? I've been meaning to search/ask about that as a general topic. What happens when a house ruler is retrograde? Does it represent the likelihood of a delay in developing/experiencing that area of life? I've got 3 planets retrograde (including the rulers of my 5th and 7th), so if I had to guess based on my own limited observations, I'd say yes. But perhaps that's just a repetition/enforcement of the theme indicated by the balance of elements in my chart? If it is because of retrograde, what causes that area of life to "kick in"?

posted July 24, 2013 05:06 AM            

I read this book many many many years ago, specifically I absorbed it for all those years, being under the strong impression that earth belonged to fire and air to water (with my Cap/Leo parents as the best example) while seeing these parings everywhere around. Untill.. I sold all my astro-books years ago, stupid me. Well, my focus is changed so I'm not really into this stuff anymore but it's a real nice basic reminder!

Great things said here

posted July 24, 2013 07:04 AM            

"She wrote a couple of articles on the Vertex that I was really impressed by."
Yes, especially the one on Vertex and the Nodes.

"@ Ceri, I love your astro style as well."
thanks.

"About the elements, I get what you mean. In relationships it's good to see a solid common ground, as well as each partner contributing what the other lacks element-wise."
Exactly.

"I think the elements I'd like to have in common with someone are a lot of Fire, and a bit of Water.

But since I lack Air, I think I'd like to experience some Air from the other person's chart. Since Earth is not usually a big attraction for me, maybe Earth is what I'd wind up contributing."

For me the common element would be fire (clearly dominant in my chart).

The one that complements me would be Earth.
Interestingly I have Venus in Earth, it is a singleton, only planet in earth.
It is both, lacking and part of my own presentation of a woman -t hta is why I think that earth signs sort of can act as a reflection for me of that quality, I have but am not very conscious about.

Actually I think in physical terms I come across as quite earthy though. It seems others sees the qualities in me, while I have no clue what they are talking about.

would explain my fascination with Earth signs especially in terms of Venus and Mars, though.

"Not that I think all Air Suns should marry Water Suns"
Well, my parents did.

My Dad has Sun in Aquarius, my Mom`s Sun is in Scorpio (they are tightly square).

Though I have also seen the same elements paired up (in relation to Sun), my friend and her husband are both Earth signs for example.
(though her Moon is in fire, and his Moon in air, close sextile).