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m.blade
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posted July 24, 2013 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for m.blade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If we look at the two transits of Pluto - starting first in Scorpio; we have events like STI's become much more big news; such as HIV and AIDS (sex and death).

There was heavy influence in rap, R rated movies and generally stuff that seems quite profane. Things were just much darker and much more Scorpio. Sex, death and things dark generally..

Everything Pluto touches - we learn a big lesson clearly. I've been reading about Pluto's transitions and how things have changed. When Pluto left Scorpio; we saw much more funding put into prevention of STD's.

As it entered Sagittarius; deals were made. Wars erupted as countries fought for independence, such as the states in Yugoslavia. The Dayton Agreement was reached, which was an agreement from both sides on freedom and independence (the transition from Scorpio to Sagittarius)

In 2001, we saw 9/11; which caused major conflict between religions and beliefs. It also saw economic optimism. It saw economic growth, it made others become optimistic economically and say 'Hey, everything will be fine.'

Since Pluto is such a strong planet and Sagittarius is all about freedom and independence and philosophy, religion and law, etc; there were MAJOR reforms in public education. There were concerns on what kids were being taught and the kids themselves were much different.

I'd like to refer to media during Pluto in Sag too; kids wise. Disney made 'High School Musical', an upbeat, high tempo, 'friendly' movie which was almost certainly reaching out to the Pluto in Sagittarius generation and since that movie, Disney's programming changed drastically. They were getting ready to influence the new generation.

When Pluto in Capricorn arrived, we had a major economic collapse. Stock markets crashed and we saw all the mistakes and Capricorn is usually a pessimitic sign; a clear example of now.

I'd like to hear your views on how you think our future generational politicians will influence the world and it's beliefs. I am new to astrology and I hope this is a good interpretation of Pluto and how it's affected the recent years.

Share your ideas and tell how you think the new Pluto in Scorpios politicians will influence politics.

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posted July 24, 2013 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing that permeates during Pluto in Capricorn - PESSIMISM!

I have noticed that it's like, everywhere, there's a pessimistic, fatalistic attitude, especially in the media. People seem more depressed and on edge with doomsday scenarios and prepping like the world is about to end. The world has been supposedly ending for thousands of years and it hasn't ended yet so I'm not too worried. It does help to have a bug-out bag in an area prone to natural disasters, one thing I learned during Pluto in Capricorn. Let's not go overboard, shall we?

Hasn't anyone heard of the self fulfilling prophecy? If enough people believe society is collapsing, the apocalypse is approaching, will it? One of the mysteries of the mind and it's impact on reality.

My Mercury/Jupiter conjunction in Libra is somewhat pessimistic in the Capricornian duad but not completely and utterly dismal. A healthy dose of pessimism is essential, too much spells disaster.

Okay, to answer your question, OP, what kind of impact will Pluto in Scorpio generation have on politics? My hope is they will study the devastating impact pessimism can have on society and see if there's an actual connection between having a negative attitude and failure. This is one thing I hope they will accomplish.

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posted July 24, 2013 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for m.blade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exactly! It's Capricorn - pessimism at it's highest!

All this negativity; it's Capricorn. The belief that the world is ending, the sudden interest in global warming. It's all relating to pessimism.

I wonder what Pluto in Aquarius will be like

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posted July 24, 2013 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha, probably kinda like Capricorn only with an emphasis on the intangible.

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posted July 24, 2013 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for m.blade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha
What I'm really interested in is how those politicians will grasp things. Like healthcare haha

We are being ruled by the Leo, Virgos and Libras and what I have noticed is this 'net' people have for kids nowadays, which never used to be there.

Virgo is the sign that gives and provides and helps. Would this be a Virgo quality introduced by the Virgo politicians?

Which brings me back- how will other signs protect the welfare and continue breeding the human race?

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posted July 24, 2013 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do the Pluto in Libras want a tight control on marriage? Is that where it comes from? I am more open minded than that. Religion is one thing, I prefer secularism from the state. I am for civil unions. I mean, it's right there in the constitution - church and state are separated. I just don't get why people cannot see something that's not murky, though other amendments can be tougher to decipher... that one seems pretty obvious!

Virgo can be a bit like Capricorn in a lot of ways, it's not so much about always giving, more about everyone giving. I am a Virgo sun I cannot identify with this idea my sun is supposed to serve others at all times.

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posted July 24, 2013 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for m.blade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would think so. If we look back to pluto in libra which was like the 70s and early 80s; there was a lot of influence in arts.

Pluto in scorpio were the rebellions so I wouldn't be surprised if libra politicians wanted to control things like marriage

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posted July 24, 2013 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I identify Pluto in Scorpio with developmental or child psychology. They were the first ones to really benefit from that on a large scale. They seem to have it more together, like people with Scorpio planets appear to.

Pluto in Sagittarius are the Baby Einsteins or was that around for Pluto in Scorpios? Don't know the year this became widely available.

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posted July 24, 2013 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is true.

Pluto in Crapicorn is an annoying generation. TOO many pessimistics

I cant wait for Aquarius

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posted July 24, 2013 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for m.blade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder what Pluto in Aquarius kids will be like..

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posted July 24, 2013 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by m.blade:
I wonder what Pluto in Aquarius kids will be like..

They will value their communities and will try to make them better.

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posted July 24, 2013 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermidor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They will be quite selfish and individualist, as aquarius people in general... The war of everyone against everyone.

Pluto in Scorpio generation destroys everything which civilization has always valued : Nations, Family, Order, Hierarchy, Sense of History, Respect for the elders and for what they brought, everything which hindered commerce...
Pluto in Scorpio generation, my generation, marks time where the Libertarians play in the hands of the big Capital. There is nothing to save about us. All our "new-age culture" (based on violence, death drive, sexual urges) is a ******* trap and it makes us become numbers, or meat, devoid of any spirituality. We are the disgrace of our elders.
And I think there won't be any change until Pluto in Pisces generation.

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posted July 24, 2013 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Thermidor:
We are the disgrace of our elders

ALL generations are a disgrace of their elders.

It's the way of things and been that way for thousands of years now, and I suspect that it's due more to elders cringing as they recall their own youth (especially the parts they try hard to forget!) in addition to sharing many of the same negative character traits as their kids and grandchildren (and I can't help but notice how many elders who especially despise the new generations are narcissists, much like the younger generations who hold their elders in contempt are, so perhaps they're more in competition for "relevance" than anything else).

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posted July 24, 2013 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was intrigued and while doing some research, I found this link which does a fairly good job explaining the Pluto Generation series.
http://www.sherastrology.com/2012/01/pluto-in-capricorn-series-part-iii-scorpio/


My own thoughts are that Pluto in any sign means that the generation has 'subconscious' behavior linked to the sign and through life experience and with Pluto's help, they will manage to regain power and control of that life aspect. So for my generation, it's not that Pluto or 'we' want to 'control' relationships, but more of an understanding that relationships and the dynamics of relationships we want are within our 'control'. This relates to personal relationships as well as to relationships we have with money, religion, work, play, and all the big uh oh's of life.

I also have Pluto in the 8th house which is fairly close to Pluto in Scorpio so I can probably relate most to the next generation whereas others may find them too intense, too compulsive and too psychologically probing. The way it plays out is that to others it seems like they want to experience everything that appears to give them 'power' and 'control' but it's all psychological - until they can free themselves to experience the true power of the soul, they will stay in Scorpio's underworld and never be truly connected with society and the world outside them. Once they learn and regenerate their ability to hold power and control without abuse, they will make great strides in the world evolution.


Until the politicians have stared Pluto in the eyes and drank with 'it', no one can really know whether the generation will move society in a positive or negative direction. I guess it keeps things interesting no?

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posted July 25, 2013 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for m.blade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Pluto is conjunct the Ascendant then what would this mean?

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posted July 25, 2013 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Realistically speaking, every generation has good and bad points. SDragon, I am detecting the influence of Pluto in Capricorn. It tends to distort everything.

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