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mcmlxix
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posted July 24, 2013 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mcmlxix     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is pesky...Neptune going back between retrograde, direct, and back again...is doing so over my Pisces DSC. Given the slowness of Neptune, this transit isn't going away anytime soon.

I'm thinking that this period is something karmic, that there is something deep here that I'll have to reject or accept and change my life. Given the houses, sign, planet and my life to this point, I have a pretty good idea what it is.

Anyway, what are your general thoughts on slow moving, retrograde/direct transits?

About this one specifically?

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posted July 25, 2013 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello there.

I have a book that discusses the transits reversing their motion over natal points that, I think, explains the purpose quite well.

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Predictive Astrology - Bernadette Brady

RETROGRADE MOTION OF TRANSITS

Part of the dynamics of a planet forming a transit to a natal point, is that it can— depending on the transiting planet— become exact once, three times, or even possibly five times before it moves on through the zodiac.

The transit is technically in orb from the time of its first exact touch, to the time of its last exact touch to a particular degree and minute of a natal planet or point as shown in figure 18. Events which start at the commencement of a transit will take the entire length of the transit before those events become completed.

The number of times that the transit interacts with the natal point is relevant as it represents the number of times and/ or the length of time that Fate deems it necessary for the student to learn, or experience, the particular lesson which is crucial to personal development.

The average transit of an outer planet consists of three touches to a point in the natal chart. The length of duration of the transit is for the entire time, as shown in figure 18. However, the three times that it touches, can be considered climaxes, with each one marking a phase of the transit. By coincidence, there are also three phases to the way that an individual will learn something.

The first pass of the transit symbolizes observation. As children we observed adults reading to us. We could not understand the markings on the page but the adult, by looking at these markings, could tell a wonderful story. We became aware of the concept of reading. This is the stage of observation— the first stage of any learning process. If a child never sees someone reading, or never sees the written word, the child will not even conceive of the possibility of reading and writing. The chid will therefore grow up with no consciousness of these processes and become an adult without literacy skills.

One hundred years ago, people did not conceive of the world of silicon chips and computers, so no one tried to build one. We can only invent that which is already in our consciousness. Hence we can see the important role of science fiction writers, who plant the seeds that the world of science tries to grow. The first touch of a transit, therefore, is something which is not in our consciousness. It is being observed for the first time so that it can become part of our conscious knowledge. Therefore, the first hit of a transit can be the most jolting— like seeing a flying saucer on your front lawn. Sometimes however, a person will remain detached from the event; “The flying saucer is on my neighbor's front lawn and therefore, has nothing to do with me.” Pluto transits can sometimes be handled like the next-door-neighbor's flying-saucer syndrome probably because the person is unwilling to acknowledge the large emotional content generated by this planet's transit.

By noticing this phenomena in our environment, the flying saucer— or more realistically, our parents reading— we decide that we will learn how to read. Recognition, or acceptance, is the second phase of learning.

The second pass of the transit enables us to recognize that possibility that we are also capable of achieving this wondrous feat of reading. Owning the issue, accepting our part in it, not knowing yet what to do with it, or how to handle it, but accepting that it is there and that it is going to become part of our life, is also the second phase or touch of the transit. The flying saucer is not going to go away so we had better start incorporating it into the garden landscape. This can be a very difficult phase of the transit.

By practicing we, therefore, move into the third stage of learning and that is one of assimilation.

We can read. We read so well that we use it unconsciously every day by glancing at street signs, newspapers, and so on. Reading becomes second nature to us. This is the third hit of a transit— acceptance and assimilation— the energy that was once so alien, so foreign, so disturbing, seems to fade into the background with the other daily clutter of memories, resources and experiences. Thus, in summary the first touch is a projection or observation. The second touch is recognition or acceptance. The third touch is assimilation. The first time a particular transit happens, events occur which are outside personal experiences; the second touch is when the person does something that will enable him or her to incorporate the events into his or her world; and the third touch is that of assimilation, the time when the current issues of the transit are no longer an issue, but have melted into the background, having been successfully incorporated into the person's life.

If a transit is a long transit with five touches involved, then it is possible that the second stage of “learning how to read” takes longer. This situation implies that there will be difficulties adjusting to the new situations brought by the transit.

When a transit is short— as is the case with some Saturn and Jupiter transits which may only have one hit lasting no more then a week in time— it is an indication that the individual has already assimilated the information at an earlier time. The actual transit issues— that have to be worked out— should be very mild with very few consequences, if any.


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With Neptune crossing your Descendant, the book says this.

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Neptune-Descendant:

Dissolving relationships. Loss, being separated from one's parents when young; new type of relationship needs surfacing in the individual.


Do you find this to be true for you at the moment?

I think since your Descendant is in Pisces and the Descendant is our shadow side, it's possible that Neptune is really teaching you about what you need to incorporate in yourself. It might do this by bringing others into your life that are sacrificial, peaceful, artistically inclined, less critical, escapists, idealistic, etc.

Are there any other House cusps sitting in Pisces?

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Jkitty
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posted July 25, 2013 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jkitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's sing it! "Dream lov-er come res-cue meh, take me up, take me down, take me any-way you want to ba-by, now! I need you so des-pret-ly. Won't you please, come on by, 'cause I want to share for-ever with you ba-by, yah!" (Mariah Carey)

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posted July 25, 2013 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Omg JKitty, you just made me start groovin'. Great Neptunian answer!

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posted July 25, 2013 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jkitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MsPrism:
Omg JKitty, you just made me start groovin'. Great Neptunian answer!

And YOU just made me start purrrring.

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Doux Rêve
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posted July 25, 2013 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have tNeptune squaring my ASC / DSC axis now (2° away but it'll go back to an exact square by the end of the year).

The dissolution of relationships and loss is pretty much what's been happening.

There's also been a dissolution of the ego and a spiritual awakening but it's going back and forth, my ego really is quite resistant to change.

Overall there's a lack of direction / clarity when it comes to identity (ASC) and relationships (DSC).

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posted July 25, 2013 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnineMoth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ah, ty for sharing that MsP!

I'm another with tNeptune dancing back and forth between DSC and the 6h.

It's actually been a really bizarre time, can agree 100% with the phases. (I fancy this does work the same for a Return, like my husband is experiencing with Saturn right now as well - he's so lucky to have a triple Saturn return in one! I like watching him grow up without even realizing it! lol)

Neptune has been...

...effecting my dreams - beginning the moment it crept into its domicile. (I have early-late stellium between Sag-Cap, Neptune keeps triggering the stellium, which holds nNeptune snug in the midst of Jup-Merc (IC ruler-ASC/MC ruler) add to that the ruler of my 8th/3rd are cnj in Scorpio tri the transit Neptune, sxt the natal stellium - 5-planet quad-angle triggers.

Neptune has also been so lovely...
that I keep running into people who make every hair on my early Pisces-DSC-BML's head stand on end, turn prematurely grey, and fall out. Not the best acquaintances at all for me right now, though I'm certainly learning something new. (namely, that I can't stand saps.) I tend to feel Neptune as not just the lord of enchantments and self-delusion - but as the breaker of such, bringer of disillusionment. For my relationships, and my choices in the past and present - there has been a great deal of breaking free from idealism, and over-romanticized memories. Lot's of thread cutting and (happily) bridge burning.

Neptune over the DSC isn't like other transits I've experienced so far though, nothing like Uranus or Jupiter, Saturn or Pluto. (especially those who have gone through my DSC):/ I expected there to be more, iunno, "umph" behind it, like having Uranus in Aquarius. But, it seems to come and go in waves... sometimes it is quiet, sometimes it is roaring. I guess that makes only a little sense, but it is usually related (symbolic) with the "seas" of Poseidon. lol

I think the Rx is more frustrating than normal, but not because of Neptune transiting its own sign, or just because it is angular, just that Chiron is also in that house and... his Rx - won't let those hard knocks and battle scars heal over until we've gotten our full-experience out of the two bodies in their wee fish tank.

(I have natural Rx with Chiron, but no other *essential* bodies from my natal are Rx... I feel those Rx transits quite strongly... but the more rewinds the less they hurt. lol)

Uranus and Jupiter transits are my favourites. Rx or direct. <3

Neptune-Uranus transits did bring me to motherhood. So, I can't knock Neptune... I just really don't care for the hellish sleep I've been getting lately or all the wacko's I keep encountering.

Though I do feel a bit cruel... but I can't help it... I sorta' enjoy pin-pricking all those balloons and bubbles those whimsical types always bring with them.

*I may karmically fail these lessons* XD


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mcmlxix
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posted July 25, 2013 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mcmlxix     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MsPrism:
Dissolving relationships. Loss, being separated from one's parents when young; new type of relationship needs surfacing in the individual.

Do you find this to be true for you at the moment?

Are there any other House cusps sitting in Pisces?


Not quite.

7th & 8th house cusps.

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Doux Rêve
There's also been a dissolution of the ego and a spiritual awakening but it's going back and forth, my ego really is quite resistant to change.

My Virgo Sun (as meek as that "should" be) is in my 1st house, and I do have a strong ego.

To add more dimension, I should point out my North Node is in Pisces/7th. I've taken this to mean that my soul's journey is to dissolve the "I" in order to become a "We". Other than this I haven't paid much attention to the nodes. So I'm thinking that this transit is the "kick". I've never been relationship oriented...preferring to do it "my way".

But in the past 6 months or so, I've expanded my circle of friends (I have a lot of 11th house stuff going on right now too) and been thinking that a relationship might not be such a bad idea after all. But dating sucks as I don't have the natural inclination. I go into the date thinking...can we just be friends? When they tell me they like me, I go running screaming. Adolescence all over again of my Sagittarius Mars?

Then I feel horribly conflicted because I like them too...and guilty because I'm being an ass.

I given Pisces/Neptune, I expect this evolution experience to involve over idealism, going after people who I can't see for who they are, followed by disillusionment, hurt, and repeat. The end (if I'm successful) would be Piscean love. Maybe I should keep those Neptunian rose colored glasses on and lay off my Virgoan criticality.

As for not having paid much attention to the nodes before, I just noticed their aspects:

NN exact square to Mars
NN opposite Pluto
NN trine Moon
NN trine Neptune

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Doux Rêve
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posted July 25, 2013 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have NN on the DSC too.
We tend to be loners and associating ourselves with someone in a significant way can be scary.

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mcmlxix
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posted July 25, 2013 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mcmlxix     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, my NN isn't conjunct the DSC. It's further in Pisces, but it's also in a grad trine with Moon and Neptune. If this isn't fortunate, I don't know what is.

This link has interesting discussions on aspects to the nodes.

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Doux Rêve
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posted July 25, 2013 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it's still in the 7th.
Ah yes, I know that site, very cool!

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