posted July 27, 2013 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Violet:

Oh thank goodness you know exactly what I mean! We would have very interesting conversations face to face, I'm sure!

Let's see...which is the "I've finally found someone who totally understands" emoticon?

Oh I've got it!

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This thread is totally cracking me up, as well as the fact that we all have Mercury in Aquarius (coincidence?!).

Yep, I also walk around the house in circles, talk in circles, and forget what the heck I was trying to do or say in the first place, and then get back to it.

Unless I'm really focused in, like you said, on studying something or getting something done in the garden. Then I'm like practically obsessed (but there's a lot of that in my chart).

Yes! I'm sure we would all enjoy each other's company thoroughly, because no one would be bent out of shape if we got interrupted or the topic changed course out of nowhere, hahah.

posted July 27, 2013 08:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Yes! I'm sure we would all enjoy each other's company thoroughly, because no one would be bent out of shape if we got interrupted or the topic changed course out of nowhere, hahah.

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LOL!

posted July 28, 2013 01:19 PM            

I'm going to tell you the impression I get from your chart, some details caught my eye; please tell me if it applies to you or not.

You are very sensitive but sometimes your imagination takes over and you get paranoid / suspicious of your friends or romantic partners, and maybe even co-workers, probably because your emotions cloud your judgment, and you can get carried away with false ideas based on details or things you think you picked up on.

Because of this hypersensitivity, you can sometimes say things that are quite unexpected, like accusing someone of something they did, or verbally "aggressing" them, based on your observations, that aren't necessarily true, or that you perceive as being more dramatic than they actually are.

You can be quite competitive and want to be acknowledged as someone competent and smart, but sometimes you come across as too overbearing in your opinions, which aren't always in accordance with what other people think.

You don't always know when to speak up or stay silent, because you know that your words can be quite powerful, but also because you're afraid of being ridiculed or being judged, or challenged for your views.

There's a dichotomy in you - one side wants to take the higher road, to elevate itself to an ideal of acceptance, tolerance and peace; and the other one that cannot stand being criticized or controlled, and thus wants to impose itself, strike back and "win" at all costs, especially when it comes to your beliefs.

It may be difficult for you to express your anger, and you can be either too passive and permissive or seemingly angry / irritated without real reason, sometimes overreacting.
That's because it's hard for you to find a natural, healthy way of expressing your emotional frustrations, maybe because you've never really learned to do it in the first place.

You have high standards and want people to give as much as you give, and be as loyal as you are.
When those expectations aren't met or are challenged, you get upset, because your ideals aren't materialized, and that can make you feel down and cynical for a while, although naturally there's a deep need to follow that ideal, and get inspired by it.

A part of you remains hopeful, faithful and fundamentally positive, despite all the challenges you face within yourself and your environment; at your core you are an utopist who has just learned to be more practical and deal with life's less than pretty side.

It may be difficult for you to find the right set of beliefs that appeal to you and your vision of things, and a lot of internal tension is probably due to the fact that you don't quite know what exactly you believe in, what you should believe in, and how you should act based on those beliefs.
But don't worry, that's part of your soul's journey - the searching, and finding of the right values for you.

There's much potential in you and what you can do, because you are naturally a compassionate person who can easily empathize with people's pain and humanity's suffering at large; but the trick here is to know when to detach and keep a sane mind, not swinging from one extreme to another - idealised vision versus cynical vision of the world.

What would help you is to find a way to express your ideals and aspirations in a healthy way, for example by being creative (singing, writing poems, painting, design, acting) or doing something that somehow validates your values (charity work, acts of kindness, meditation).

Also, learning to take the time to calm down and relax whenever something upsets you, and not react straight away (for example, when faced with a sudden urge to express anger, take a few deep breaths or walk away before speaking / reacting).
And then come back to the issue at hand and talk it out calmly, expressing your opinion so you don't feel ignored or like your feelings are not valid.

But basically what jumps out at me is the need to freely express your needs and beliefs, without expecting to be attacked or humiliated or rejected; so a positive mindset and a more relaxed attitude towards other people and their opinions is necessary.

Trying to make a positive difference in the world, starting with your immediate environment, could be very beneficial to you and bring you serenity - knowing that your life plays a role bigger than yourself is important to you, so try to cultivate that, even in small ways - like showing kindness, offering help when you can, and just being an inspiration to people who need some freshness in their lives.

Spending time with your family and children is very important to you and you may want to teach them your vision of the world, but don't get too dogmatic and give them the freedom they need to explore the world; you are a great guide and have a lot of things to show / teach but try to remember that everyone is different and people are not extensions of yourself.

Tolerance and acceptance are what your heart aspires to, even though your ego sometimes takes things too personally; so don't be too hard on yourself and other people and keep in mind that no one is perfect and we're all just human.

Your have many qualities that combine a practical, down to earth approach to things as well as a more spiritual and heartfelt approach; which makes you a loving, compassionate person who can listen to others and help, but also someone who is capable of deep thinking and discernment, stability and practicality.

posted July 29, 2013 09:23 AM            

Not addressing every point...some of your comments did hit a sensitive spot, because I don't know if I've given that impression at LL, or if you're just working strictly from my chart and guesswork. For instance, I skipped over some stuff about anger because I feel very calm and self-contained except in what strikes me as extreme circumstances.

Sometimes people online have said that I seem angry, even when I'm not angry. I was just being direct. My style of communication is hard to translate. In real life, even my best friend (who I've known almost my entire life) is shocked if she hears me get stern with my kids. Even though she's heard it before, she's still like, "I can't believe YOU talk like that ever!" And if I say something confrontational in person I will be sure to offset that however I can. Like a friend of mine wanted to study my eyes, looking for signs of disease (iridology.) I asked her not to, but she persisted. I patted her back gently and said, "Look, I love you but please don't do that." She STILL persisted, because I had said it so sweetly she thought I was being coy or something. So I just put my hand over my eyes and waited until she laughed.

Point is, I thought she was being pushy, but I'm not the type to get angry about things like that.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

You are very sensitive but sometimes your imagination takes over and you get paranoid / suspicious of your friends or romantic partners, and maybe even co-workers, probably because your emotions cloud your judgment, and you can get carried away with false ideas based on details or things you think you picked up on.

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I'm trying to think if I've done that before. Maybe? But usually I wouldn't think of myself as being the suspicious type, and people are usually nice to me, so my sensitivity doesn't factor in.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Because of this hypersensitivity, you can sometimes say things that are quite unexpected, like accusing someone of something they did, or verbally "aggressing" them, based on your observations, that aren't necessarily true, or that you perceive as being more dramatic than they actually are.

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I am hypersensitive, definitely. And I can see why people at LL may think I get caught up in drama and imagination, because of clashes I've had. But there is more to the story, which played out over many threads, than people understand; so I wonder if I would give the same impression if everyone saw everything that transpired. I dunno.

I occasionally snap at my family members...and that is the sum total of people I snap at in real life. I am verbally aggressive but more in the non-emotional, academic sense. That is to say, if someone tries to convince me of something...like a political fact...and I don't agree, I won't yield an inch, and that can fluster them (because in real life I come across as pleasant and agreeable to a fault, and they mistake that as, "she'll just go along with anything I tell her." Especially men, they think that.)

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
You can be quite competitive and want to be acknowledged as someone competent and smart, but sometimes you come across as too overbearing in your opinions, which aren't always in accordance with what other people think.

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OMG yes! LOL. I have weird opinions and will dig my heels in and defend these sometimes. In college, I had to give a presentation on the poet Alexander Pope. I was convinced that he was a misogynist and mentioned that in my presentation. This baffled the teacher, and she went around the room asking every single student if they agreed with me. Every single one said NO. And I was just like "So? You all think I'm nuts, but... so??"

LOL

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
You don't always know when to speak up or stay silent, because you know that your words can be quite powerful, but also because you're afraid of being ridiculed or being judged, or challenged for your views.

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Let me think. I'm not afraid of being challenged for my views because usually I don't give an opinion unless I have thought long and hard about it. I will defend my views. I'm sensitive about trying to put my personality across to people and having that go off awkwardly. I hate being awkward but I am.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
There's a dichotomy in you - one side wants to take the higher road, to elevate itself to an ideal of acceptance, tolerance and peace; and the other one that cannot stand being criticized or controlled, and thus wants to impose itself, strike back and "win" at all costs, especially when it comes to your beliefs.

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Hmmmm. Yes, I have both sides, the high road and the low road, but I don't always want to win at all costs...you know, it's a balancing act. As the saying goes, "pick your battles." And for what it's worth, in those situations where I feel I must win, it's often because I am defending someone else. Usually, however, like in the Alexander Pope case, I don't feel like I need to persuade anyone in order for me to think my opinion is justified. And if someone upstages me and proves me wrong, I'm usually good at recognizing defeat and being a good sport about it. My parents forced me to be that way and I'm glad.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It may be difficult for you to express your anger, and you can be either too passive and permissive or seemingly angry / irritated without real reason, sometimes overreacting.

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Difficult, yes.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
That's because it's hard for you to find a natural, healthy way of expressing your emotional frustrations, maybe because you've never really learned to do it in the first place.

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Right...also, I think Caps are never great at expressing our emotions. We are much more emotional than people tend to realize because of our communication style.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
You have high standards and want people to give as much as you give, and be as loyal as you are. When those expectations aren't met or are challenged, you get upset, because your ideals aren't materialized, and that can make you feel down and cynical for a while, although naturally there's a deep need to follow that ideal, and get inspired by it.

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I think this was more obvious when I was young and only had my large family to deal with. As I've gotten older, I've learned to rely on my trusted friends and not saddle everyone with unrealistic expectations.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
A part of you remains hopeful, faithful and fundamentally positive, despite all the challenges you face within yourself and your environment; at your core you are an utopist who has just learned to be more practical and deal with life's less than pretty side.

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Exactly. Exactly.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It may be difficult for you to find the right set of beliefs that appeal to you and your vision of things, and a lot of internal tension is probably due to the fact that you don't quite know what exactly you believe in, what you should believe in, and how you should act based on those beliefs.
But don't worry, that's part of your soul's journey - the searching, and finding of the right values for you.

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*cries* So true and thanks for the encouragement!

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
There's much potential in you and what you can do, because you are naturally a compassionate person who can easily empathize with people's pain and humanity's suffering at large; but the trick here is to know when to detach and keep a sane mind, not swinging from one extreme to another - idealised vision versus cynical vision of the world.

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I wouldn't think of myself as ever having an idealized or cynical view of the world. I'll think about that longer.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
What would help you is to find a way to express your ideals and aspirations in a healthy way, for example by being creative (singing, writing poems, painting, design, acting) or doing something that somehow validates your values (charity work, acts of kindness, meditation).

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Yes. I love drawing, love charity work.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Tolerance and acceptance are what your heart aspires to, even though your ego sometimes takes things too personally; so don't be too hard on yourself and other people and keep in mind that no one is perfect and we're all just human.

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<3<3<3

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Your have many qualities that combine a practical, down to earth approach to things as well as a more spiritual and heartfelt approach; which makes you a loving, compassionate person who can listen to others and help, but also someone who is capable of deep thinking and discernment, stability and practicality.

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Thank you for these compliments! And I am taking the anger stuff on board, as well. Trust me I am, 'just too sensitive an issue for me to delve into in public. I know you understand because you <3 me. Right?

posted July 29, 2013 09:55 AM            

And you're welcome!
O'course I <3 you.

posted July 29, 2013 02:30 PM            

Does your dad have a rambling way of talking, does he interject random personal anecdotes into the conversation that seem to go way off point, the way I did above when talking with Doux? (No need to read my post...just trust me, I did. )

I assume there are lots of splash charts coming from the 70's because the outer planets were spread out.

@Doux

Thanks again~ all is well here! Hope you are happy, too!

posted July 29, 2013 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Yes he does! Wow...I can't believe YOUR DAD is younger than my brother. Feeling very old now.

Does your dad have a rambling way of talking, does he interject random personal anecdotes into the conversation that seem to go way off point, the way I did above when talking with Doux? (No need to read my post...just trust me, I did. )

I assume there are lots of splash charts coming from the 70's because the outer planets were spread out.

@Doux

Thanks again~ all is well here! Hope you are happy, too!

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posted July 29, 2013 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
I don't have a splash chart, but I relate to what faith said. A while ago sweet-scorpion made a thread similar to what youre talking about faith.. I think the thread was called "dedicated to merc/Uranus" ...The people who responded to the thread who could also relate, had natal merc/Uranus aspects. I always thought that was the culprit.

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Ahh omigosh you're so cute for referencing my post, it makes me feel happy and smart. X') Hahaha...

Anyway, I agree that Mercury-Uranus tends to create a mind that often veers off in many different directions at once. Mercury in the 11th may also operate in a slightly similar way but you'd have to have something else to make it worse.

posted July 30, 2013 07:34 AM            

I'm sure my Mercury square Uranus is part of my issue; I probably should have researched that before starting this thread. And I have Mercury trine Mars by sign, but they're out of orb.

I can't make sense of this duad chart, did it come with directions?

But I did some research and I think my Mercury is in the Aries duad. Which would definitely add spunk, and could be why I feel compulsive about saying whatever comes to my mind, often without filters.

posted July 30, 2013 08:22 AM            

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It's very difficult for me to stay completely focused on one topic at a time in conversation. I can focus just fine when I'm studying something; it's not my attention span that is the problem.

It's just that when I'm talking, I feel pulled in like ten directions about what to say next, as if each planet wants to say its own thing.

So I'm suspicious that it is my splash chart putting me up to this mischief.

What do you think, is that plausible? If you have a splash chart, do you also have this problem?

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This is a very interesting topic, Faith. I never thought of the splash shape like this but it makes sense. The chart is always totally accurate in all it's nuances imo

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posted July 30, 2013 08:38 AM            

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When the planets are crammed into one third of the wheel, or less, we have a bundle horoscope. By way of contrast, a splash chart scatters a person’s energies. A bundle concentrates them.

This chart shape makes it easier to focus on one thing over a long range of time. It’s not that bundle people can’t have a wide range of interests. They are simply less influenced by what goes on outside of themselves. They are more likely to create and live in their own little world.

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So I looked at his chart, couldn't make sense of much except the general shape. Then I pulled mine up and thought, "Holy cow!"

You could literally SEE the difference between us. He is very focused and yes, narrow-minded about some things, and I am all spread out and much more open-minded. My chart looks like a fishing net; things fall into the center and I look at them from every angle.

Not everyone does that. And I'm not saying my way is better, but it is different.

posted July 30, 2013 09:33 AM            

I am concentrated in the intellectual realm because of the heavy 9th house.

I say this to show how the charts work-shape and house wise

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