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IrisRainbow
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posted July 31, 2013 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IrisRainbow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or,the Hades Moon.
It's a pretty intense aspect,for me at least.
My moon is in Aquarius,that means that I don't easily express my feelings but when I do..things get nasty.I also have a Mars/Asc aspect.Sometimes I want to break everything in the house but I don't lol
So I wonder if someone with another Lunar Sign like Taurus or Capricorn feels the intensity of this aspect just as much as a Scorpio moon would?Do you have any experience?
What do you think?

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Doux Rêve
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posted July 31, 2013 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It takes time to master this aspect.
You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html

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posted July 31, 2013 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Cap Hades and Mars/Asc. I also have a pPluto conj Mars and Asc so I am super instense. I hate "surface dwellers" and won't bother with small talk about the weather. I am also a pseudo-Sherlock Holmes because I love to investigate things.

A bad side is that as intense as I can be, I can also be extremely cold and aloof.

I do a lot of sports so don't have any aggressive issues but when I do get angry I scare myself.

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posted July 31, 2013 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is that from personal experience Doux Reve?

I'm dealing with a Moon sq. Pluto person right now that I'm interested in and at first I thought her behavior was because of Venus in Scorpio, but now I know it's this aspect.

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Doux Rêve
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posted July 31, 2013 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those are just observations I've made based on my own experience and that of the people I know who have the same aspect.

It plays out differently for everyone and some people don't experience it in such a dramatic way, though.

So be careful when analysing a chart and don't jump to conclusions too quickly.

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posted July 31, 2013 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IrisRainbow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It takes time to master this aspect.
You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html


This couldn't be more accurate for me.Oh and i'm 17 :s

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posted July 31, 2013 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It takes time to master this aspect.
You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html


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posted July 31, 2013 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Those are just observations I've made based on my own experience and that of the people I know who have the same aspect.

It plays out differently for everyone and some people don't experience it in such a dramatic way, though.

So be careful when analysing a chart and don't jump to conclusions too quickly.


No assumptions here. My parents have Moon/Pluto aspects so I'm familiar with the dynamic even though I wasn't 'aware' of the aspect until I saw it in the girl's chart and did my own research.

I also have Moon/Pluto synastry aspects with both my parents and the girl.

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+1 to Doux's response. Great summary!

Not every Moon / Pluto person has traumatic experiences with their mother. Some have this aspect and are inseparable from them (perhaps that falls under separation anxiety though. I have the opposition and had that when I was little.)

I have Moon opposition Pluto (Moon in Taurus, in the 11H - so somewhat like you, Iris!) and Mars conjunct ASC (again, like you!) I get irritated very easily and my feelings will jump from 1 to 10 quickly, but my Mars is in the 12H, Moon is trine Saturn, I was raised right - so I keep my composure.

*I do feel my emotions intensely, but not in a scary way, really. At worst I hold onto a slight for far too long, longer than Taurus moons are supposed to.
*I've never "liked" someone lightly. It always turned intense and into game playing, although lately I've made a conscious effort not to resort to that (with positive results! Then I fell off the wagon...)
*I always want revenge on people that hurt me, but tend to lose interest before I actually get it.

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I clicked the link, and read through the paragraph.

I don't agree about it bringing on conflicts with parents. Doesn't everyone have conflicts with their parents at some point? Every teenager eventually breaks away from depending on their parents' identity, to find their own?

I also don't make women uncomfortable (I could if I wanted to, probably, but I attribute that to still wearing heels even though I'm 5'7" and weighing a lot more than most women. I also have Moon and Venus in the 11H, so women tend to like me easily. Wish it was Sun and Mars there.... >.<

I don't know what these "overwhelming emotions" they're talking about, honestly. Maybe for other Moon signs they are overwhelming but as a Taurus moon, I work past whatever I'm feeling without denying it. The way they describe them makes me think of a deranged bunny boiler, which I doubt is the case with the majority of Moon / Pluto people. OR maybe I'm so used to the intensity that I think it's normal, but I've been accused of apathy on numerous occasions so....

I'm definitely a loner. I'm friendly but I don't like or make an effort to include people in my life, really. Unless they are long standing friends.

It's also true that I have a very hard time being submissive. I think this is the reason I have hiccups when dating men. It's a defense mechanism for me to argue with them, test them, mock them... it sounds so crappy on paper, I know.

I don't "search and destroy" obstacles at all... if anything, I just change route.

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posted July 31, 2013 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon Square Pluto (moon in Capricorn and pluto in early Scorpio). I have a fantastic relationship with my mother. We're very close, more like best friends. My childhood was very traumatic (I was abandoned by my father) and I had to constantly fight to survive. My adulthood is stressful, but far more carefree than my childhood ever was.

This aspect makes you feel things very deeply! You can easily be hurt. After being betrayed so often by loved ones, I eventually shut off my emotions and became quite cold all during my teen years. I eventually learned to be warm and friendly during my 20s, but this took a lot of effort.

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posted July 31, 2013 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can natal moon quincunx to pluto play out in a similar way?

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posted July 31, 2013 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioninash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have moon in aquarius square pluto in scorpio and i have to agree with the sabotaging of relationships :/
when i'm single and start talking to someone, everything will be fine but then i'll start thinking all this negative stuff and end up just completely severing ties.
my boyfriend that i have right now, idk how it happened but i was actually the one that pursued him. i do let my emotions get the better of me sometimes though :/ , little bickering could turn into a full on fight, mostly cause of me and not being able to control my emotions. and then afterwards i feel like a complete idiot and don't know what i was thinking. sometimes my emotions just completely consume me, and that's something i'm truly trying to work on, cause i really love him and he puts up with my sh*t hahah. you never stop learning

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posted July 31, 2013 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It takes time to master this aspect.
You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html


A perfect analysis that applies for me.
Aries Moon(Scorpio Duad) 11th house almost exactly quincunxy Pluto in Scorpio.
The analysis was perfect, my feelings are so deep, Im scared to show them to not scare people off I act cold and aloof and end up playing mind games.
This aspect maybe has to do with people being manipulative too?

Great analysis everything,everything so accurate about substances, problems with the mother, just spot on.

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posted July 31, 2013 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IrisRainbow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This aspect affects me more than any other in my chart,in my opinion.
I go from super sensitive to Ice Berg in 0.09 seconds,it's driving people crazy while I think that's completely normal lol
I'm not that controlling in relationships,actually I give A LOT free space which other women wouldn't give,just because I need the same amount of freedom.
I never had emotional problems with my mother but I did have with my half sister from my mother's side.
I don't show emotions easily,I repress them for months and when I express myself there's tears mixed with hysteria and hatred,mostly because people try to sabotage me,my life,my studies.
I let no one get in my way and yes I do destroy whatever looks like a threat to my so desired "visions".
Revenge is not the last "weapon" I'd use,but it's still on the list.

I have good friendships with girls.Actually,I've got a stellium in the 11th and I love my friends,they love me back if they can accept my darker side,which i'm not always proud of.

At least,this aspect gives you the option to die a thousand times and be reborn a thousand times more.

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posted July 31, 2013 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IrisRainbow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and..I can say that I actually thank this aspect for giving me such intense feelings.I write poems which are usually sad,pluto square moon and moon trine mercury gives me a good ability to communicate my intense emotions,so I write them down and relax.I've been told my poems are hair raising some times.

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posted October 26, 2018 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh so this is where my separation anxiety comes from? You guys, i cant go on a decent road trip without feeling guilty for leaving my mother or grandmother behind... or my pets.

My mother... she... she made her own bed i guess, she took the life in her hands and allowed it to become so ****** . She has a life as a woman like i would not wish for anyone. I just ... its hard to explain her life, my family situation. One thing is sure, she frustrates me with her behaviour, decisions she makes and the ones she made before even having me. Actually i think her decision to give birth to me was wrong!

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posted October 26, 2018 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It takes time to master this aspect.
You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html


It's funny because while I do resonate with the parts about feeling way too deeply and being overwhemled by my feelings, the bits about Scorpio Moon is true for me too. Because of my reactions to things, people, even my own dad have said, "You're too sensitive, quit taking everything personally, you complain and ***** about everything, stop holding grudges and let it go, why are you so angry all of the time, are you ever happy?"

The insecurity and bottling it up bits were true when I was younger but that was also because my dad was mentally abusive and would get physical if I overreacted to things. He put a knife up to a neck when I was 9-10 years old and started screaming at me when I threw a fit and said I should kill myself. That's just one of the things that happened. Then again, as I age I am slowly finding that maybe part of me is looking for drama to stir just to prove myself in some way, make it known to not **** with me.

It's funny because Aquarians aren't supposed to be drama queens but I can get very dramatic over lots of things. I don't know if having Mars, ASC, and Lilith in Scorpio is enough to explain these things. I've never had emotional trauma or issues from my mother at all excluding her death from cancer. She was never obsessive, controlling, manipulative, or anything of the sort. She was the emotionally nuturing figure that I needed in my life.

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I'm a Taurus sun with Moon in Aquarius square Pluto in Scorpio. I feel it and yes I agree that it's a tough aspect. I don't like expressing my emotions and I think this aspects makes it hard to do so. I don't trust people and I always have my guard up I always question people's intentions. I have to actually get to know the person. It takes me awhile to really open up. Because I hate when a random person ask me questions. I feel that they are trying to interrogate me. And I don't like when people ask me how I'm feeling. It's ok if I know the person and I like them. I also have Moon parallel Saturn so that makes it worse.

I'll give a few example

So this girl in school asked me to be her partner for a class project. And my first thought was why did she pick me? I was really leery of her. But as I got to know her now I like her and we talk all the time. Another example one day this other girl sat next to me and asked me do I ever smile. That annoyed me and I was thinking like what the heck does she want? But then I got to know her too and it's ok. Sometimes it's not that easy though. Some people I just avoid it depends on the vibe I get from them. This other girl likes to ask me questions. And once I ignored her and she asked me why don't I ever say anything to her when she asks me something. I finally told her it feels like she's interrogating me. It just really depends on the situation.

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posted November 02, 2018 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It takes time to master this aspect.
You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

Moon in aspect to Pluto is not like a Scorpio Moon, the dynamics are different.

A Scorpio Moon is very sensitive and reactive, their emotions are quite easily triggered but they don't necessarily seek to repress them.

A Moon in aspect to Pluto still has the characterisitcs of the sign it's in, but these traits can be taken to an extreme and become an obsessive focus for the individual, a compulsion.
Pluto adds a layer of depth and intensity to the emotions no matter what sign the Moon is in.

Basically what happens, especially in youth and when the aspect isn't mastered, is that people who have Moon / Pluto in hard aspect feel things wayyyy too deeply, and they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions, which can scare them and others away.

So when they become aware of the fact that they're "different" and much more sensitive than other people, they decide to protect themselves and they do it in various ways: cutting off emotions, turning cold, substance abuse, bullying, and so on (negative manifestations).

If channelled positively, the Moon / Pluto individual learns to react differently and with less intensity to people and situations, and transmutes their energy into healing, spirituality, or service.

Obviously the area that's most affected by the Moon / Pluto aspect is that which involves feelings and family - there's usually a lot of suffering or trauma of some kind with the mother or the women in the family, or in the immediate family where the child grows up, so he becomes hypersensitive and insecure, always awaiting for danger of some sort (very often there's an extreme fear of losing a parent, separation anxiety, etc).

That insecurity tends to poison every close relationship from then on, especially friendships and romantic relationships (fear of enmeshment / abandonment is a typical Moon / Pluto, Moon / Saturn issue).

And that's why Hades Mooners very often sabotage their relationships by acting extremely insecure, needy and controlling, or conversely by being aloof, ignoring, and playing mind games.
The reason is a deep-seated fear of emotional pain.

I hope this makes sense to you.
My thoughts are scattered but here's a good article that explains some things (it's quite negative though, and I think it applies more to the young Hades Mooner who hasn't yet become aware of the dynamics within himself): http://caitastro.blogspot.fr/2009/05/moon-square-pluto-reliance-vs.html


You said: It takes time to master this aspect. You can't express it positively without going through some harsh experiences that teach you about your emotional side, and how destructive it can be.

I guess this is why people who have this aspect usually have this with people in synastry? I have it with three people but it's not felt the same way. With one person I feel jealously it's more of the negative side. With the other person I don't really feel much. I have talk to them about some things. Yet nothing really too personal. But with the last person so far it's different. I feel the most comfortable opening up about how I really feel. I don't know how they feel though. Sometimes I think it might be too intense for them. So I guess it depends on other aspects and placements.

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posted July 30, 2020 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the moon square pluto, yes domestic life was hard and still is, big part of it was projected on my mother - I love her, she struggles but I hold some resentment aswell... hard aspect. I am insecure, especially when it comes to bonding with people, I feel I am replaceable, that no one can love me as deeply as I can love them, I just DOUBT people have genuine emotions for me

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