posted August 07, 2013 05:26 PM            

I’m asking this because my time of birth is approximated between 6:15PM and 6:30PM. Usually not much can change for 15 minutes and it is so in my case too. Except for one planet – Saturn. I use the time 6:15PM and according to that it falls in the 11H.

However if I move the time even 4 minutes forward Saturn goes back to the 10th. I’ve read articles about both placements and I can resonate to both descriptions. I’m conflicted….

So how would each of these placements play out in a person’s chart respectively? Do you have Saturn in the 11th or 10th? How does it feel like?

Saturn in the 11H characteristics I exhibit:
- Difficulty in creating friends and forming and sustaining deep friendship bonds
- Difficulty in working in groups
- Social awkwardness and a feeling of never fitting in
- Loneliness and a feeling of being disliked my peers (equals)

Saturn in the 10H characteristics I exhibit:
- Anxious about career
- Fear of professional failure
- Lack of ambition again due to fear of failing
- Cold relationship with the father

posted August 08, 2013 02:41 PM            

If, however, Saturn is on the cusp and is aspected by another planet, then the aspect and the other planet become the major influences. The cusp and the signs involved become very minor in the dynamics of Saturn, then.

Saturn is a critical planet for people to be concerned about. People can get their best understanding of their Saturn by understanding the aspect combinations in their Transit Aspects. Review your 2014 Transit and follow aspects made to your Saturn for maximum understanding of how it relates to you.

http://risingpeople.wix.com/synastry-aspecting#!in-the-closet-astro-tools/c1s43

slowpoke

posted August 07, 2015 05:53 PM            

Saturn in the 10th house allows you to focus on what you need to hone in for your environment. It opens new opportunities while discarding old ones. 10th house represents our environment and your MC represents your souls most transparent vibration and what it is here to bring to the world. The Midheaven is when the Sun reaches its highest peak in the day so when Saturn touches your MC it will give you a brand new perspective towards who you are and what you are here to do.

Don't forget Saturn and Jupiter are always working together so check where your Jupiter is as well. Im guessing you're an Aqua rising like me so its soon to enter our 8th house in Virgo. When dealing with Saturn, its better to focus on where your rewards is going to be because its going to take away what is no longer necessary in your life.

I remember when saturn was in my 9th house, my car broke down and I was stuck on foot. By the time Saturn was in my 10th house about a year ago, I saved up all my money and bought a new one with cold hard cash :-).

posted August 07, 2015 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I really don't know why people forget that Saturn is also a planet of GREAT rewards. Saturn in the 11th doesn't mean a loss of friends, but a focus on the IMPORTANT ones. You'll also meet people who will further your goals you've began when it was in the 10th house. My Saturn is soon to enter my 11th house again (before it retrograded out) and during that time my "circle" of friends and I were helping each other with our goals and still are.

Saturn in the 10th house allows you to focus on what you need to hone in for your environment. It opens new opportunities while discarding old ones. 10th house represents our environment and your MC represents your souls most transparent vibration and what it is here to bring to the world. The Midheaven is when the Sun reaches its highest peak in the day so when Saturn touches your MC it will give you a brand new perspective towards who you are and what you are here to do.

Don't forget Saturn and Jupiter are always working together so check where your Jupiter is as well. Im guessing you're an Aqua rising like me so its soon to enter our 8th house in Virgo. When dealing with Saturn, its better to focus on where your rewards is going to be because its going to take away what is no longer necessary in your life.

I remember when saturn was in my 9th house, my car broke down and I was stuck on foot. By the time Saturn was in my 10th house about a year ago, I saved up all my money and bought a new one with cold hard cash :-).

I've never done that before...

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posted August 07, 2015 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I really don't know why people forget that Saturn is also a planet of GREAT rewards. Saturn in the 11th doesn't mean a loss of friends, but a focus on the IMPORTANT ones. You'll also meet people who will further your goals you've began when it was in the 10th house. My Saturn is soon to enter my 11th house again (before it retrograded out) and during that time my "circle" of friends and I were helping each other with our goals and still are.

Saturn in the 10th house allows you to focus on what you need to hone in for your environment. It opens new opportunities while discarding old ones. 10th house represents our environment and your MC represents your souls most transparent vibration and what it is here to bring to the world. The Midheaven is when the Sun reaches its highest peak in the day so when Saturn touches your MC it will give you a brand new perspective towards who you are and what you are here to do.

Don't forget Saturn and Jupiter are always working together so check where your Jupiter is as well. Im guessing you're an Aqua rising like me so its soon to enter our 8th house in Virgo. When dealing with Saturn, its better to focus on where your rewards is going to be because its going to take away what is no longer necessary in your life.

I remember when saturn was in my 9th house, my car broke down and I was stuck on foot. By the time Saturn was in my 10th house about a year ago, I saved up all my money and bought a new one with cold hard cash :-).

I've never done that before...

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posted August 07, 2015 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
I'm a Pisces rising, 15 degrees.

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posted August 07, 2015 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
OH ok! So that means jupiter will be in the 7th. Get ready for interesting relationships lol

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posted August 07, 2015 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
OH ok! So that means it'll be in the 7th. Get ready for interesting relationships lol

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posted August 07, 2015 08:04 PM            

When explaining cusps to others I often use the metaphor of where the river meets the sea and therefore the mouth becomes brackish, neither fresh nor salt, a unique environment that is a blend of both and hosts life that could not survive in either the river or the sea, only in the brackish region (brackish mouth = cusp, in case my metaphor isn't clear).

And yet metaphysics (which is astrology to my understanding) doesn't work the same as physics and thus it begs the question of how these energies mix. My idea is esoteric and also uses assumptions of mine that many astrologers wouldn't accept so I don't normally share. But you might find it interesting so I will.

First, very simply put, I don't believe that the heavenly bodies are the source of the power that is astrology but rather a collective association based on the names of planets and constellations that is then reflected on us. This collective belief (it doesn't have to be active, that is just a subconscious association with the heavenly body and mythic figure is enough) generates psychic energy that then imbues the placements (not the bodies themselves, just their placements from our perspective, and it's entirely possible to me that someone born in space outside the Gaiasphere might be "immune" to astrological influences as there isn't enough human psychic energy to work its mojo, this assuming that human psychic energy is tied into Mother Earth while we live here and that our psychic energy is very difficult to go beyond that) so in essence our own collective psychic energy is projected by us and reflected back by the heavens.

That is to say had Pluto been instead named Minerva then it would show how we would become wiser (and what we'd have difficulty learning from) or had it been named Phobos then it would instead affect our fears because our naming it and associating it with the specific mythical entity is what creates the energy rather than the object itself (and before Pluto was discovered it wasn't an astrological force in my way of seeing it).

But this becomes complicated when many people not only associate the bodies with archetypes and myths but also consciously live by astrology, which then takes a more active role in directing that intense energy radiating from (and then back at) us already, and different house systems are popular enough depending on region (I'm assuming that humans can affect other humans this way anywhere within the Gaiasphere at least) that in say your case the tenth house energy is reflected from Saturn while in other cases the eleventh and this is how the energies of the two houses becomes "brackish" and thus why cusps matter (though it's not so much that it's a "cusp" as different systems are simultaneously shaping the same psychic energy which in turn shapes who we are, but as we typically use only one house system we define it as a "cusp").

posted August 07, 2015 08:27 PM            

I was born with Neptune end of 10th House placidus. Koch system puts it in 11th... When I relocated here, it relocated Neptune to my 11th.

After reading Isabel Hickey, she basically says Neptune 11th can cause unfavorable conditions with friends, and may add to fuzzing-out abilities to make aims or goals in life. Been a while, but maybe I need to 'learn' how to accommodate a Neptune in the 11th more here, I think. Never occurred to me that I'd have to honor the 'newer' energy that was provided in the move. 'splains things~

posted August 07, 2015 08:42 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
What are the main differences and similarities between Saturn in the 10th and Saturn in the 11th House in the natal chart? And what if Saturn falls on the cusp between these two Houses? Both times Saturn is in the House of its domicile – Capricorn and Aquarius.

I’m asking this because my time of birth is approximated between 6:15PM and 6:30PM. Usually not much can change for 15 minutes and it is so in my case too. Except for one planet – Saturn. I use the time 6:15PM and according to that it falls in the 11H.

However if I move the time even 4 minutes forward Saturn goes back to the 10th. I’ve read articles about both placements and I can resonate to both descriptions. I’m conflicted….

So how would each of these placements play out in a person’s chart respectively? Do you have Saturn in the 11th or 10th? How does it feel like?

Saturn in the 11H characteristics I exhibit:
- Difficulty in creating friends and forming and sustaining deep friendship bonds
- Difficulty in working in groups
- Social awkwardness and a feeling of never fitting in
- Loneliness and a feeling of being disliked my peers (equals)

Saturn in the 10H characteristics I exhibit:
- Anxious about career
- Fear of professional failure
- Lack of ambition again due to fear of failing
- Cold relationship with the father

(Please don’t move to Personal Readings, yes I am looking to enlighten myself about my own chart but I want to learn about these placements in general)

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Hmmm Based on the OP, my guess would be that your Saturn is in the 11th house.

posted August 07, 2015 08:45 PM            

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I’m asking this because my time of birth is approximated between 6:15PM and 6:30PM. Usually not much can change for 15 minutes

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posted August 08, 2015 06:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
With Saturn in the 10th house, I get near instant karma. If I step out of line, bad karma comes to me and hits me in the head with a bat. Funny, but true!

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posted August 08, 2015 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Isa:
Could you give me an example of this?

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I once bullied a girl back in 2nd grade, and then in 9th grade the same happened to me.

I was snobby and judgmental to this woman once, and the same happened to me with another person.

I once went through a total karmic downfall for seven years (seven years of bad luck because of bad decisions), I learned after those seven years that I had to keep my nose clean, not a drop dirty if I wanted to attract good karma, and deflect bad karma.

posted August 08, 2015 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
I once bullied a girl back in 2nd grade, and then in 9th grade the same happened to me.

I was snobby and judgmental to this woman once, and the same happened to me with another person.

A lot of people get away with bad decisions or they escape with little consequences. Me? I get a bat to the head if I don't keep in line. Many bats to the head if I were to be honest.

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posted April 28, 2016 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I really don't know why people forget that Saturn is also a planet of GREAT rewards. Saturn in the 11th doesn't mean a loss of friends, but a focus on the IMPORTANT ones. You'll also meet people who will further your goals you've began when it was in the 10th house. My Saturn is soon to enter my 11th house again (before it retrograded out) and during that time my "circle" of friends and I were helping each other with our goals and still are.

Saturn in the 10th house allows you to focus on what you need to hone in for your environment. It opens new opportunities while discarding old ones. 10th house represents our environment and your MC represents your souls most transparent vibration and what it is here to bring to the world. The Midheaven is when the Sun reaches its highest peak in the day so when Saturn touches your MC it will give you a brand new perspective towards who you are and what you are here to do.

Don't forget Saturn and Jupiter are always working together so check where your Jupiter is as well. Im guessing you're an Aqua rising like me so its soon to enter our 8th house in Virgo. When dealing with Saturn, its better to focus on where your rewards is going to be because its going to take away what is no longer necessary in your life.

I remember when saturn was in my 9th house, my car broke down and I was stuck on foot. By the time Saturn was in my 10th house about a year ago, I saved up all my money and bought a new one with cold hard cash :-).

I've never done that before...

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posted April 28, 2016 05:31 PM            

Plus your birth time might be a few minutes off.

Saturn on 10th is at its most severe (any other 10th planets) the closer it is to the MC.

This applies to all the angles too.