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I'm so cappy
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posted August 09, 2013 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what's the exact difference between them? Let's make it clear once and for all!

I know, in my dreams

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Zander916
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posted August 09, 2013 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zander916     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The way I understand it (I may be wrong)

If I'm a cake...
Frosting is my asc - what you see and sample first.
Moon is the cake - what you get when you dig in
Sun is the sugar - it flavors all of it.

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Liliya
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posted August 09, 2013 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liliya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zander916:
The way I understand it (I may be wrong)

If I'm a cake...
Frosting is my asc - what you see and sample first.
Moon is the cake - what you get when you dig in
Sun is the sugar - it flavors all of it


Is there a way I could present you with Linda-Goodman award for these words?

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I'm so cappy
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posted August 09, 2013 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zander, if I were the Sun I would feel a little underestimated

I see it like this:

I'm a yummy raffaello.

ASC is the packaging. Actually it's not that difficult to see what's inside (ASC trine Sun). Anyway, when you pass through it you can taste my Sun. And if you bite into it deep enough...you'll break your tooth on my almond Moon Enjoy your dessert.


Btw, let's focus on the Sun and ASC. I think we all know what the Moon is for.

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Liliya
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posted August 09, 2013 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liliya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ my favourite sweets <3

Both of you have the same theory pretty much

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somethingexcellent
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posted August 09, 2013 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The AC is what you do, how you act. It's how you actively navigate, from what I've seen.
The Sun is what you want to achieve, what you strive to BE. That's what I generally see.
Similarly, Mars is what you want to prove, what you want to build for yourself.
Jupiter is how you move forward towards goals, and your goals in general.

These three placements I generally find to be the most "active" parts of your chart, given their aligned with fire.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 09, 2013 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One way of looking at your sun is an extension of your ascendant. Sun rules Leo and is exalted in Aries. It likes the first, fifth and ninth houses. The ascendant is the initial point of the self which is symbolized by the zodiac sign Aries so the sun has a natural affinity with the ascendant regardless of the sign on it. Soooo, you can look at the sun as an extension of your ascendant

Like with me, I have a Virgo sun with Libra on the ascendant and three planets conjunct it. See how the sun blends with this? Three planets on the initial point of Aries where the sun is exalted. This gives my Virgo sun more power imo, and I thought it was weak, then I thought harder. I would have a lot of the Aries/Libra tendencies and I do, even the impatience of Aries. I also attract Aries energy into my life due to it being on the descending degree. So, the sun has a lot of indirect influence in my life, though not through the sign Virgo, really. More through Aries and Libra and perhaps Pisces since it's on Virgo's traditional house and I have planets conjunct ascendant from twelfth/twelfth house sun.

Also, the house with Leo on the cusp is always important if your sun is strong.

Ascendant is much, much more than just your cover. It is your actual self. The first house is the house of the self/ego.

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posted August 09, 2013 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Ascendant is much, much more than just your cover. It is your actual self. The first house is the house of the self/ego.


I don't agree that the ASC is the actual self. I interpret it as the cover, and default way of acting, the shield that people have to get past to see the inner person, which I take to be the Moon. The Sun, imo, is how we want to be perceived, but the ASC is actually how we come across to others. If the ASC was the actual self you'd never hear people say 'he/she is so different than what I thought.' The ASC can (sometimes) give a false impression that the moon corrects as we get to know someone better. IMO :-)

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posted August 09, 2013 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree. It's the self because of first house correlating with Aries. Aspects in the chart could explain why someone appears different than they are, even squares or opps to the ascending degree from planets or the sun, too. If you have sun conjunct your ascendant, it would be an example of your self being empowered. Also, other planets conjunct the ascendant, too. Same affect but the sun is the most powerful since it has a special relationship with the ascending degree in particular.

My MC squares my ascendant, Chiron opposes it, so it's not in perfect shape. I admit, Libra is somewhat obscured by these influences but it's the canvas in which the paint is thrown.

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posted August 10, 2013 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got it the first time it was explained to me.


The Ascendant is said to be the "best" foot forward. It makes a swift impact , but weakens after its objective is served.

The Moon is always the one retreating, drawing back, defending or re-acting to the environment. This is the case for both "masculine" and "feminine" signs. This is the position that checks if all is "clear" and is often the "assessor" of what's been.

The Sun is progress, expression and fulfillness of your desires.


Imagine that you are off to an interview for a company that you desire to work for.

Asc: Aquarius
Moon: Capricorn
Sun:Aries
Mercury: Aries
Venus: Pisces
Mars: Virgo

The Aqaurius Ascendant(ruled by Saturn) will show itself up in the interview by answering all the question and ensuring that its answers are brilliant, "out of the ordinary" and well thought out.

After that is done, the "mask" comes off and you say your goodbyes to the interview panel.

Right outside the door are other candidates who have also had to go through the same drill.

This is where your social contact with the world shows itself up(Moon).You don't have to make an impression here and so, you don't need your Aquarian mask.

The Moon will take-over; feeling out the environment and seeing that there are groups and clicks socializing with each other waiting for the outcome.

The Moon in Capricorn,being naturally reserved, will take a seat somewhere quiet and start reading the magazine and only speak when invited to do so.


Eventually someone, a very pretty somebody that you are attracted to, comes to speak to you and ask you how you answered.

You immediately put the mask back on as you do want to make a favourable impression. And so, you are interesting, eloquent and inventive in your conversation(Aquarius rising).

They tell you that they answered the questions in much the same way that you did and the conversation starts to flow outside just "the interview"...

You talk about yourself and so does she. You interrrupt her often and are quick to notice her eye colour, her mannerisms, hone into her physical appearance etc(Mercury in Aries)

Your Aries Sun is feeling so confident that you suggest that she join you for drinks afterwards-no matter the outcome.

The outcome: you got the Job. Your confidence peaks.

After all that, you ensure that you pick her up on time, open the door and pull out her seat at the restaurant. You insist on covering the bill and make sure she "gets" that you can take care of her (Mars in Virgo).

The evening dies down and you walk her home, you cover her with your jacket and tell her that she can keep it, you feel like you can give everything you have to her now(Venus in Pisces).She thinks you are sweet. You think she is an angel.

You walk off feeling warm and excited; this could be someone that you can be really into but aren't sure yet (Sun/Mercury Aries conjunction-Moon Capricorn square).

But you are convinced that you can even marry her tommorrow since you feel you've known her all your life. But also fear that she may not feel the same way(Venus Pisces/Mars in Virgo Opposition)


This is just a small sample of what I think happens. But I'm sure there is a lot more that goes into it.


The Ascendant is the mask and has to come off.

The Moon is the "parent" and the "assessor" and will always be defensive and reflective.

The Sun is who you are internally when you feel a warm feeling of "I can do anything I choose" , you have accessed the "heart" of you chart: the Sun.


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I'm so cappy
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posted August 10, 2013 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting answers guys, keep posting

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Zander916
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posted August 10, 2013 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zander916     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, now I will fully admit that I know almost SQUAT about aspects. I know which are good and bad, and somewhat about what degrees form them.

I've researched the crap out of all my planets, and of course, my ASC and Sun. So what I say in the following, is my take based on what I FEEL and recognize as ASC or SUN.

Libra ASC
Leo Sun

I think there really is no way to honestly separate the two with such fine lines. There's some mixing.

I notice that for example, someone may do or say something that I think is unfair. (Libra) Something that Leo might shrug off and just be like, "Eh whatever. I have more important things to tend to anyway." But my Libra ASC responds, but Leo responds with it because it's at least equally a part of me. So I end up reacting much more harshly and aggressively than Libra may, but the cause was more Libra like.

Or for example the other way, and this is an actual situation I've encountered more than once.
My Leo will be feeling generous. I want to take my nieces and Nephews out for a nice dinner. But I honestly can't afford a nice dinner for ALL of them. It really gets to me because I want to be fair (Libra) and not leave anyone out. I will often talk to anyone who does not come or for other reasons just can't make it. I make sure that they are not upset and reassure them that I wish I could and maybe next time.

So there's two examples of how I think they may interact at least sometimes.

But, to go back to the "mask" being the ASC. Just today I went to my aunt and uncles 50th Wedding Anniversary party. Alyssa Sharpe (a popular youtube Astrologer) always insists that Libra Risings tire out at social functions from all of the charm charm charm that we put out. That's EXACTLY what happened today. I very much enjoyed it and it was great to see people but I really did feel an intense need to get home and just relax alone. Which is what I'm doing now.

I'm not saying that anything anyone has said is right or wrong. It's probably ALL correct. My belief is that each may act or react differently based on the situation, the chart(s) of the people that we're interacting with, current transits, etc, etc.

That's purely off of my feeling and observation of myself.

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