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Topic: Pyschopathy in natal charts?
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Supermeggs12 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: California Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 01:39 AM
I've always wondered about this, concerning a sibling of mine who I always suspected to be a sociopath. She is my older sister. To our parents, she was their perfectionist and high achieving daughter, who could do no wrong. To her peers, she was charming, lively and always had luck with the opposite sex. But to my younger brother and I, she was nothing short of pure evil.In highschool, she stole boyfriends and backstabbed friends like it was a game. And I remeber each time I questioned her authority, she would go in my room and pull my clothes out the closet, and one time she gave me a haircut while I was sleeping. She tortured us in every way possible. I remeber an incident when she was eleven she pushed our younger brother downstairs, and it was obviously intentional, but our parents turned a blind eye. And my brother nor I say, dared say a word of the truth because we knew things would just get worse. She always had a very sinister and cold look in her eyes, like she didn't feel anything at all, and I never left her home alone with my brother, because I feared the things that would happen while I was gone. But make no mistake, her behavior doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is how my parents never believed me when I told them I how awful she was. I can't post her chart right now, but I do know that she has Pisces rising, Moon Gemini, Sun Aries, Mercury Aries, Scorpio venus. She has six planets in the twelth house, and absolutely NO water in her chart at all. She also has Neptune squaring her sun, moon, Venus, and mercury.
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anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6714 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted August 11, 2013 01:41 AM
Does she really have Scorpio Venus? IP: Logged |
Supermeggs12 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: California Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 01:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: Does she really have Scorpio Venus?
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anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6714 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted August 11, 2013 01:47 AM
Venus can't be more than 48 degrees away from sun. Lot of planets in 12th house can indicate mental issues. IP: Logged |
Supermeggs12 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: California Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 01:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: Venus can't be more than 48 degrees away from sun. Lot of planets in 12th house can indicate mental issues.
Right! Sorry, I checked again her Venus is capricorn IP: Logged |
Moon is Lunatic Knowflake Posts: 839 From: With my pr. 12H Moon conj. Neptune Registered: Jun 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 01:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by Supermeggs12: Right! Sorry, I checked again her Venus is capricorn
She can't have Venus in Cap either... Her Venus must be in these signs, since she is Aries Sun: Aquarius, Pisces, Aries, Taurus, Gemini IP: Logged |
Supermeggs12 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: California Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 02:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by Moon is Lunatic: She can't have Venus in Cap either... Her Venus must be in these signs, since she is Aries Sun:Aquarius, Pisces, Aries, Taurus, Gemini
Oh gotcha.. Sorry I'm new to this stuff! IP: Logged |
12muddy Knowflake Posts: 3066 From: Registered: Feb 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 02:05 AM
People can't see her true nature probably because of the 12th house foggy veils. I also have a 12th house stellium and few people can see my true self/intentions. I'm sorry that you and your brother have to live with her. She sounds dangerous. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6714 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted August 11, 2013 02:08 AM
Does she have any aspect between moon and uranus?IP: Logged |
Supermeggs12 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: California Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 02:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: Does she have any aspect between moon and uranus?
Moon conjuct Uranus. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6714 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted August 11, 2013 02:15 AM
They can detach extremely well, I have the quincunx, that ability to detach can be dangerous. IP: Logged |
Supermeggs12 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: California Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 03:10 AM
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Selene Knowflake Posts: 1431 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 03:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by Supermeggs12: Moon conjuct Uranus.
How could that happen? How old is your sister? Is she born approximately in 1940s? Because that's the time Uranus was in Gemini for the last time... If she's younger and has Moon in Gemini, she cannot have a conjunction with Uranus then. IP: Logged |
Supermeggs12 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: California Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 03:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Selene: How could that happen? How old is your sister? Is she born approximately in 1940s? Because that's the time Uranus was in Gemini for the last time... If she's younger and has Moon in Gemini, she cannot have a conjunction with Uranus then.
Not again.. I meant square her Virgo Uranus.
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popcorn Knowflake Posts: 3367 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted August 11, 2013 05:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by Supermeggs12: I've always wondered about this, concerning a sibling of mine who I always suspected to be a sociopath. She is my older sister. To our parents, she was their perfectionist and high achieving daughter, who could do no wrong. To her peers, she was charming, lively and always had luck with the opposite sex. But to my younger brother and I, she was nothing short of pure evil.In highschool, she stole boyfriends and backstabbed friends like it was a game. And I remeber each time I questioned her authority, she would go in my room and pull my clothes out the closet, and one time she gave me a haircut while I was sleeping. She tortured us in every way possible. I remeber an incident when she was eleven she pushed our younger brother downstairs, and it was obviously intentional, but our parents turned a blind eye. And my brother nor I say, dared say a word of the truth because we knew things would just get worse. She always had a very sinister and cold look in her eyes, like she didn't feel anything at all, and I never left her home alone with my brother, because I feared the things that would happen while I was gone. But make no mistake, her behavior doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is how my parents never believed me when I told them I how awful she was. I can't post her chart right now, but I do know that she has Pisces rising, Moon Gemini, Sun Aries, Mercury Aries, Scorpio venus. She has six planets in the twelth house, and absolutely NO water in her chart at all. She also has Neptune squaring her sun, moon, Venus, and mercury.
I think its crazy your parents wont see the problem or maybe she is so strong and they are tired. Psychopathy will always shows on early year and are very dangerous. You cant see that in a chart or you can see that in every chart. If your sister got big problem like this and have hard aspected positions she need people who could help her use her power on the right way... If she have positive aspect like mars trine pluto I should be afraid because her behavier will works out good.....and she can hurt many people before someone say stop. You must talk to your parents or someone other mature person. IP: Logged |
Supermeggs12 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: California Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 09:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by popcorn: I think its crazy your parents wont see the problem or maybe she is so strong and they are tired. Psychopathy will always shows on early year and are very dangerous. You cant see that in a chart or you can see that in every chart. If your sister got big problem like this and have hard aspected positions she need people who could help her use her power on the right way... If she have positive aspect like mars trine pluto I should be afraid because her behavier will works out good.....and she can hurt many people before someone say stop.You must talk to your parents or someone other mature person.
Well, it's probably too late now. Seeing that all of this occurred when we're children, now we are both grown. And I don't keep contact with my sister at all. IP: Logged |
12thhouser Knowflake Posts: 1581 From: Registered: Feb 2012
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posted August 11, 2013 10:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by Supermeggs12: I've always wondered about this, concerning a sibling of mine who I always suspected to be a sociopath. She is my older sister. To our parents, she was their perfectionist and high achieving daughter, who could do no wrong. To her peers, she was charming, lively and always had luck with the opposite sex. But to my younger brother and I, she was nothing short of pure evil.In highschool, she stole boyfriends and backstabbed friends like it was a game. And I remeber each time I questioned her authority, she would go in my room and pull my clothes out the closet, and one time she gave me a haircut while I was sleeping. She tortured us in every way possible. I remeber an incident when she was eleven she pushed our younger brother downstairs, and it was obviously intentional, but our parents turned a blind eye. And my brother nor I say, dared say a word of the truth because we knew things would just get worse. She always had a very sinister and cold look in her eyes, like she didn't feel anything at all, and I never left her home alone with my brother, because I feared the things that would happen while I was gone. But make no mistake, her behavior doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is how my parents never believed me when I told them I how awful she was. I can't post her chart right now, but I do know that she has Pisces rising, Moon Gemini, Sun Aries, Mercury Aries, Scorpio venus. She has six planets in the twelth house, and absolutely NO water in her chart at all. She also has Neptune squaring her sun, moon, Venus, and mercury.
Are all of her angles mutable? Meaning, besides Pisces rising, does she have Virgo on the descendant, Sag on the MC, and Gemini on the IC? IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 3367 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted August 11, 2013 10:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by Supermeggs12: Well, it's probably too late now. Seeing that all of this occurred when we're children, now we are both grown. And I don't keep contact with my sister at all.
Im sorry for you and for her. I think parents have a big part of responsible about their childrens childhood. Its not justice for anybody to live so and I wounder why your sister never got a chance to change her attitude. Parents and other adult people should learn her and stop her. aspects between (easy or hard) sun, moon, mars, uranus, pluto, nessus, nemesis, BML, asteroid lilith could be dangerous for people who not are ok... IP: Logged |
its_aqua Knowflake Posts: 836 From: Mars Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 11, 2013 12:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Supermeggs12: Not again.. I meant square her Virgo Uranus.
You should put up her chart, cause it doesnt make sense, you probably remember her planets wrongly, cause Uranus in Virgo must have been quite a long ago, that would make her over 25 I suppose but from your post I got the impression that she is a teen ,like you maybe? Post her chart, there is a tutorial in another topic on how to do this. IP: Logged |
Supermeggs12 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: California Registered: Jul 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 01:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by its_aqua: You should put up her chart, cause it doesnt make sense, you probably remember her planets wrongly, cause Uranus in Virgo must have been quite a long ago, that would make her over 25 I suppose but from your post I got the impression that she is a teen ,like you maybe?Post her chart, there is a tutorial in another topic on how to do this.
I really should post the chart, and I will when I can. However, she is not a teen. By now, she is 27. IP: Logged |
Selene Knowflake Posts: 1431 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted August 11, 2013 02:09 PM
Then her Uranus is NOT in Virgo, year 1986 - Uranus in Saggitarius. IP: Logged |
its_aqua Knowflake Posts: 836 From: Mars Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 11, 2013 02:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Supermeggs12: I really should post the chart, and I will when I can. However, she is not a teen. By now, she is 27.
I see. How old is your little bro? I hope things get better when she moves out..isnt she planning to live on her own sometime? I wonder how she will be towards he own children. The way you describe her, pretty much reminded me of Kathryn in Cruel Intentions, in case youve seen the film. Maybe is just bitchy though, I really hope she is not a sociopath. Im sorry your parents never paid any attention to you and your brothers concerns about her. But you should be proud of yourself cause you sound like such a nice and caring sister to your little brother.
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kani Knowflake Posts: 306 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted January 12, 2019 01:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Supermeggs12: I've always wondered about this, concerning a sibling of mine who I always suspected to be a sociopath. She is my older sister. To our parents, she was their perfectionist and high achieving daughter, who could do no wrong. To her peers, she was charming, lively and always had luck with the opposite sex. But to my younger brother and I, she was nothing short of pure evil.In highschool, she stole boyfriends and backstabbed friends like it was a game. And I remeber each time I questioned her authority, she would go in my room and pull my clothes out the closet, and one time she gave me a haircut while I was sleeping. She tortured us in every way possible. I remeber an incident when she was eleven she pushed our younger brother downstairs, and it was obviously intentional, but our parents turned a blind eye. And my brother nor I say, dared say a word of the truth because we knew things would just get worse. She always had a very sinister and cold look in her eyes, like she didn't feel anything at all, and I never left her home alone with my brother, because I feared the things that would happen while I was gone. But make no mistake, her behavior doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is how my parents never believed me when I told them I how awful she was. I can't post her chart right now, but I do know that she has Pisces rising, Moon Gemini, Sun Aries, Mercury Aries, Scorpio venus. She has six planets in the twelth house, and absolutely NO water in her chart at all. She also has Neptune squaring her sun, moon, Venus, and mercury.
With Pisces rising, many planets in the 12 th and Neptune squaring her personal planets that's actually a lot of water influence. With those Neptune placements she's very good at deceiving people
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Lalafortunaea Knowflake Posts: 1017 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted January 12, 2019 02:20 PM
I had the same issue with my older brother.He was a bully who would beat me up, lie, cheat, try and turn my girlfriends against me, and even managed to turn my whole family against me. He also had a lot of creepy sexual issues he played out with his girlfriend, many of whom felt raped by him. He would occasionally say obscene things, or do obscene things, and then "apologize", kind of like pressing a reset button on a machine, and only interacted when he wanted something. He was the "golden boy" to my parents who could do no wrong. They literally had no idea what he did or was capable of, and he knew exactly how to change his face depending on who he was with, and he, too, seemed charming and was easily able to influence others. I could show a video of him being violent and it would simply be painted over as "oh he's just rough housing!" or "boys will be boys!" Sadly, throughout my childhood and teens, when I did outright explain that he was essentially abusive, I was the one who was considered "the problem" because I spoke up about it (makes me think of how poor whistle blowers are treated). He was considered incredibly intelligent and easily able to learn things. Academia was no issue for him. One day, after he turned 30, his behavior began to deteriorate and he "hid" less and less. He eventually started doing to my parents what he did to me. At one point a violent fight broke out because he threatened my mother. They finally saw him for what he was, at last. And he continued to deteriorate even more, still, losing his friends and his job. In his head he is merely a poor victim, interestingly. Perhaps some commonalities can be found in his chart: http://i.imgur.com/Xg4ko5r.png For you, what I can say, is that you should remember everything your sibling has done, starting from the first issue, to present, and write it all down. Remember every time you told someone about him, and write it down, and write down their reactions as well. This will help you process it, and help you find more clarity in that you are not the one with an issue. This kind of interpersonal relationship with a pathological person can take its toll and eventually mess with your feelings of sanity. That's what being gaslit does. And, well, just hope and pray they see, which they will. Another thing you could do is work on becoming smarter and more cunning, and learn to set your sibling up to get caught in a way they couldn't get away with it. You could also trying recording them. If there's one thing I've learned, what goes around, comes around. No one can get away with such things indefinitely. IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea Knowflake Posts: 1017 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted January 12, 2019 02:23 PM
I know of another person similar to what you describe. I'll find her chart.IP: Logged | |