posted August 11, 2013 09:39 PM            

Personally I have :

ASC Square Mars
Sun conjunct Mars
Moon Square Uranus
Moon Trine Saturn
ASC Trine Uranus
Mars conjunct IC
Pluto Square Saturn
Pluto Sextile Uranus
Sun Opposition MC
Four Personal Planets in Sagittarius
A fire/air dominated Chart.
Uranus in 4th House.

so,What do you think guys ?

posted August 11, 2013 10:06 PM            

I left my house when I was 17, and my parents tried to convince to come back but rules were just not for me and I did struggle but I was lucky enough to have friends that had my back. But yeah it's impossible to be independent just like that, you'll need help from someone.

posted August 11, 2013 10:50 PM            

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Jkitty: MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT INDEPENDENT! I don't think there is ANYTHING in a chart that can determine this

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Uh, they said "independence and individuality," so I don't think they meant financially independent, I think they meant they make their own choices regarding opinions, views, ideas, and so forth, in which case yes I think the chart can determine that.

posted August 11, 2013 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Uh, they said "independence and individuality," so I don't think they meant financially independent, I think they meant they make their own choices regarding opinions, views, ideas, and so forth, in which case yes I think the chart can determine that.

The desire for independence and individuality can comes strongly from Jupiter/Uranus I find. I also find fixed signs and air signs don't like having their choices influenced by others.

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If you are dependent on others financially, it limits your ability to make your own choices. Those who pay the bills DO have influence over you unless you can afford to leave. If you want to be fully free to express your "individuality", you NEED to be financially independent. Otherwise, you must compromise who you are or what you want, what you say and how you say it.

posted August 11, 2013 11:03 PM            

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make their own choices regarding opinions, views, ideas, and so forth

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posted August 11, 2013 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Last I checked, you don't need to be financially independent to form your own ideas, views, and opinions, which I said here:

Which, as well, it seemed you didn't read or you didn't understand. I get that you're trying to be helpful but you're misunderstanding what's being asked and your knowledge misses the mark.

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Forming them is never the problem. How they are expressed is.

Why are you assuming that I didn't read or didn't understand? She said in her post that this "has caused me a lot of problems/clashes with my family, specially my Mom and several ex boyfriends." She never said anything about her "own ideas, views, and opinions".

posted August 11, 2013 11:35 PM            

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Who is assuming or not understanding?

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posted August 11, 2013 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
They're asking about astrological reasons for having a strong desire to be independent and to have a sense of individuality. You're going on about financial independence. That doesn't add up???? You still have yet to offer a bit of astrology as well. What do you think gives someone an "instinctive need for independence and individuality"?

Obvs you lmao.

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Read back your first post where you quoted me. What does the 2nd sentence that you quoted say? Remember, you are the one who included it in your quote and now you are saying that I didn't address this.

posted August 12, 2013 12:03 AM            

you have lovely Sagittarius placements and then some

you have Sun-Mars

you are built for it? no???

I know I am.

^^ Sag IC

Uranus - cnj - Venus (S.Node)

Uranus sq ASC/DSC

Venus semisquare with Mars cnj Pluto in 3h Scorpio

Venus semisxt Saturn in Scorpio

Jupiter and Neptune in Sagittarius cnj to Capricorn Merc under 4th house Sag

Neptune-Mercury-Jupiter in tight sxt with Mars-Pluto

and in bQ with stubborn Tauro Moon in the 9th (Sag's domain)

I make my home, and I go where I want

yes - I'm pretty protective of my freedoms, my individuality -

I need an outlet for expression (I don't need to be heard) but I do need that outlet - that freedom to at least do or say what I need to when I need to.

Sagittarius and Gemini placements 3rd and 9th house as well as Aquarius/11th, and Leo/5th house placements are probably the most well known for the independence streaks.

Sag-Gem and Aqua-Leo axis though - they have different motivations and methods

but yes - blame them haha <3

you have that Moon square

and a 4th house with Sun-Mars on the angle

Uranus - in the 4th

look at the connections to those signs - and how they effect you, and your views on comfort, home, safety - what you feel that you need to protect and how you go about it... very much a 4th house/lunar rite.

bring in those other bodies and the influence of the signs/houses they rule and the house and the sign they are now in... that's you... you want and are likely determined (especially when someone puts up the wall) to make it over, on your own, and to keep going.

it's only natural. <333

posted August 12, 2013 05:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Jkitty:
What is your definition of independent? To me it means that you can and do take care of yourself.

I may have WANTED to be independent sooner, but the reality was different. Until I could support myself and live on my own without the need of a roommate, I don't believe I could consider myself to be independent. As long as I WAS dependent, it required me to compromise and meet the other 1/2 way even when I thought them silly or unreasonable. I went from having a roommate with a cleaning fetish who wanted me to vacuum twice a day, to one who left the dishes soaking in the sink for a full month at a time (no exaggeration either). MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT INDEPENDENT! I don't think there is ANYTHING in a chart that can determine this. It's all about choice. How badly do you want to be on your own? How much loneliness are you willing to accept? How much compromise are you willing to give in order to have good relationships? You need to answer those questions for yourself.

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I understand your point of view but I don't know why you keep going on and on about money. What I meant by independence is the individuality of thoughts, opinions, system of beliefs and mentality.
You don't need money to be mentally/intellectually independent and I'm a living breathing example of that.

You did the same to me as you did with somethingexcellent when I posted the thread about my sister, you jumped to conclusion and the tone of your post almost boarded on hostile. I didn't like that.
He understand my question perfectly while you simply misunderstood.
You sound to me as the one who doesn't like being intellectually challenged and not him.