posted August 18, 2013 01:13 PM            

Sun / Uranus - I had that one once, but Neptune was involved. As the Uranus (and Neptune) person, *I* was the one feeling the attraction more. It usually goes both ways though! But the Sun person was playing out the whole inconsistency / elusiveness.

posted August 18, 2013 01:28 PM            

I've been thinking about this, and read a lot about it too, but it seems that a lot of times the planet person actually feels it more!

And it has been true in my experience.

It's all very.. unclear.

posted August 18, 2013 01:54 PM            

I think.. outer planets conjunct an angle - the house person feels the impact.

posted August 18, 2013 01:58 PM            

His Sun square my Uranus EXACT

My Moon trine His Uranus EXACT
My Mercury sextile His Uranus EXACT
My Venus sextile His Uranus EXACT
My Mars opposes His Uranus EXACT
My ASC squares His Uranus EXACT

posted August 18, 2013 02:34 PM            

If you've got a planet on an angle natally, that planet will always make itself felt. I've got two planets within 3 degrees of my IC, Jupiter and Saturn. Can you feel them both, Doux? I can be very serious and also (I think) very funny, or at least I always manage to find some humor in nearly everything, even if it's the ironic variety.

I've also got Neptune on an angle if you include the Vertical axis, so even though Neptune isn't a personal planet to all people, it "becomes" personal in my chart -- and being on that angle is only one reason for this.

So now let's say my Neptune makes aspects to someone's personal planet. You'd need to take into consideration that it is "personalized" in my chart when evaluating it in a synastry. You CAN'T just treat it as an trans-personal because it isn't in my case.

In general, ASC/DES, IC/MC, Vertex/Anti-Vertex, and Nodes are like antenna that are always "up", but NOT always turned "on". If you've got a planet on either end of an axis, that axis also has it's antenna turned "on". But without a planet on it natally, your axis may only be turned "on" by a transit or progression (tight, hard aspects). It can also be turned "on" by a tight conjunction from another person's planet or a tight hard aspect to your angle ruler in a synastry; it would be "off" normally.

So what happens when your antenna is "on"? First is that the angle person becomes aware of the planet person. This impact is the "immediately" felt type. That's not to say that the planet person won't feel it EVENTUALLY IF there is ongoing interaction with the angle person. It's like the angle person's antenna begins "broadcasting" to the planet person, but the planet person has to "tune in" and might choose not to do so unless one of THEIR antenna are also "on" and receiving something from your planets.

This is why angle contacts are SO VERY important in interpreting a synastry and why it's possible to have one-sided crushes. It's impossible to know how another person feels about you without knowing their exact birth time so you can determine their angles and to see if they are "in to you".

Ever notice how many posts are from people who don't have a time of birth for their crushes and want to know how the other person feels and if it's mutual? I already know my birth time. I KNOW they are setting off my angles big time. But without knowing THEIR birth time, I have no idea if what I'm transmitting is getting through in a way that matters to them. VERY frustrating. Why, oh why, can't people be born with their exact birth times tattooed on their foreheads for all the world to see?

If someone's Pluto isn't important (personal) in their chart and the 3rd house isn't emphasized in my chart, it won't much matter that their Pluto falls in my 3rd in a synastry. Contacts made to their Pluto from my personal planets would likely only be felt by me, not them, or at least I'd feel them much more strongly.

So to summarize. If a generational or transpersonal planet is on an angle in a natal chart or makes a hard, tight aspect to a luminary, it needs to be evaluated in synastry as though it were a personal planet. If that planet isn't "personalized" in their chart, they won't much feel that contact in a synastry. Beyond that, the angle person is the one that will feel the effects most immediately and strongly. Additionally, the faster moving planet or a luminary will be more receptive to the influence of an aspect. And on top of all that, planets that fall in the cardinal houses (1, 4, 7, 10) will be felt more when making aspects to another person's planets.

posted August 18, 2013 02:47 PM            

You're wonderful, Jkitty, thank you so much for taking the time to type this out.
Makes a lot of sense.

posted August 18, 2013 03:29 PM            

Imagine a person who has a weak Neptune natally, if someone's planet makes an aspect to that Neptune, aren't they going to feel it *really* strongly, compared to someone who's basically *used to* the energy and therefore may not notice it that much?
IOW, the Neptune person will be like "whoaaa" cause the energy is so.. new, to them.

posted August 18, 2013 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Xena:
I was thinking the same thing. The uranus/asc person would maybe feel the personal planet in synastry more than a person whos uranus is not dominant in her chart because for uranus /asc person uranus is a bigger part of her personality.

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Yes, though it's the ASC angle that is giving prominence to Uranus.

posted August 18, 2013 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Xena:
Maybe the uranus/asc person already feels the uranus strongly so they can direct the energy from even the hard aspects in a positive way. For a person that doesn't have a strong uranus the uranus energy would be unknown and not comfortable to deal with so those couples would probably separate.

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I don't think it's that simple. Everyone chooses how they use a planetary energy. Often the ones who have the hard aspects end up being very strong, together, mature people BECAUSE their hard aspects force them to learn and grow. It's too much softness in a natal that makes people tend to give up on relationships at the first sign of trouble or boredom.

posted August 18, 2013 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
^ But I'm not sure if it works that way..

Imagine a person who has a weak Neptune natally, if someone's planet makes an aspect to that Neptune, aren't they going to feel it *really* strongly, compared to someone who's basically *used to* the energy and therefore may not notice it that much?
IOW, the Neptune person will be like "whoaaa" cause the energy is so.. new, to them.

No?

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posted August 18, 2013 04:10 PM            

Gotta think about this more..

Hmm maybe an outer planet *has* to conjunct an *angle* for it to be really "personal"?
Or a Luminary.. but not just a personal planet..

Either way, I tend to think that someone whose Saturn / Neptune / Uranus / Pluto isn't very porminent will feel it when someone's planets touch them, in a deep way - precisely because they're not used to that kind of energy.

posted August 18, 2013 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Jkitty:

So to summarize. If a generational or transpersonal planet is on an angle in a natal chart or makes a hard, tight aspect to a luminary, it needs to be evaluated in synastry as though it were a personal planet. If that planet isn't "personalized" in their chart, they won't much feel that contact in a synastry. Beyond that, the angle person is the one that will feel the effects most immediately and strongly. Additionally, the faster moving planet or a luminary will be more receptive to the influence of an aspect. And on top of all that, planets that fall in the cardinal houses (1, 4, 7, 10) will be felt more when making aspects to another person's planets.

That's probably clear as mud, but I tried!

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posted August 18, 2013 04:35 PM            

Those who don't have an aspect with me don't create that problem.

But since I have that in natal I know how to control the negative tendencies and look beyond the flaws - Saturn. Look through the excitement - Uranus. But it comes after some introspection, but also helpful for personal growth.

posted August 18, 2013 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by psytaurus:
What if they have a pretty "lazy" generational planet? Like someone that has Uranus conj IC ( 2deg so not that tight either) and the only aspects this planet makes in their chart are a 9 deg trine to Moon and 4 deg trine to Jupiter (no Grand Trine). That's it. Could they really be considered Uranian? I mean , I guess there's no denying that they put that vibe out there and probably attract partners with similar energy, but idk... I think if I were to compar them to someone who has Uranus conjunct Sun conj IC, they would rank lower, wouldn't they?
And if B comes along with their moon conj A's ASC (and square their Uranus) what would A feel more strongly ? That conjunction to the ASC or the square to Uranus? Or both equally? How about B? What would they feel? I guess I'm a little bit confused.

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If your Uranus is 2 degrees from your IC, I wouldn't consider it weak. It's more like it's such a deep, "core" part of who you are that you're not fully aware of it unless something triggers your awareness. It's like a healthy person not being aware of their blood circulating until their foot falls "asleep" and THEN you become aware.

As to "ranking lower", I think it's more a matter of "obvious" versus "subtle". Ceridwen explained to me that the DES and IC are more receptive angles, whereas the ASC and MC are more obvious to others. That doesn't mean that they are LESS strong but that there is a DIFFERENT strength to them. (Like women being stronger in their immune systems while men are stronger in their muscles. Of course, I'm comparing "average" woman to "average" man here; there are always exceptions.)

"And if B comes along with their moon conj A's ASC (and square their Uranus) what would A feel more strongly ? That conjunction to the ASC or the square to Uranus? Or both equally? How about B? What would they feel?"

This last series of questions is harder to answer. It would depend on what else is going on in the individual natal charts. What house(s) does Moon rule in B's chart? What aspects does B's Moon make in their natal? Does B's Moon rule an angle? Does it make any aspects to their own Uranus? All synastry must begin by a good understanding of each natal chart.

Also, I'm not clear from your questions if you're talking about A having their own Uranus square their ASC or if it's B's Uranus squaring B's Moon natally and that configuration is impacting A's ASC. Plus the tightness of the orbs could be a factor. How tight is the square? And is A's ASC/DES axis squaring their own MC/IC axis and how tightly if it is? (Mine does by only 3 degrees.) If you're talking about B having Moon square Uranus natally and A having ASC square IC natally, then both of B's planets are hitting angles in A's chart. A wouldn't be able to NOT notice this kind of contact. Whether or not B does would depend on if Moon and/or Uranus are angle rulers in B's chart.

Sigh. I know a lot of people come to LL for "microwaveable" quick, easy answers. But the more you get to know about astrology, the more you realize that it's rarely that simple.

posted August 18, 2013 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I don't have a clear opinion on this, see.

Gotta think about this more..

Hmm maybe an outer planet *has* to conjunct an *angle* for it to be really "personal"?
Or a Luminary.. but not just a personal planet..

Either way, I tend to think that someone whose Saturn / Neptune / Uranus / Pluto isn't very porminent will feel it when someone's planets touch them, in a deep way - precisely because they're not used to that kind of energy.

Just a thought.. I'm not sure.

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Don't forget to evaluate whether or not that outer planet RULES one of the angles in the natal chart. What if the person has Pisces on the cusp of 1, 4, 7, or 10? That would make Neptune an angle ruler. Neptune might not be personalized exactly, but it will make contacts to that Neptune more of a factor in a synastry.

BTW, Doux. I like that you DO think things through and not take anyone's word for it. That's one of the things I like about you. If you discover something interesting, I'd love to hear it!

posted August 18, 2013 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Jkitty:
In general, ASC/DES, IC/MC, Vertex/Anti-Vertex, and Nodes are like antenna that are always "up", but NOT always turned "on". If you've got a planet on either end of an axis, that axis also has it's antenna turned "on". But without a planet on it natally, your axis may only be turned "on" by a transit or progression (tight, hard aspects). It can also be turned "on" by a tight conjunction from another person's planet or a tight hard aspect to your angle ruler in a synastry; it would be "off" normally.

So what happens when your antenna is "on"? First is that the angle person becomes aware of the planet person. This impact is the "immediately" felt type. That's not to say that the planet person won't feel it EVENTUALLY [b] IF there is ongoing interaction with the angle person. It's like the angle person's antenna begins "broadcasting" to the planet person, but the planet person has to "tune in" and might choose not to do so unless one of THEIR antenna are also "on" and receiving something from your planets.

This is why angle contacts are SO VERY important in interpreting a synastry and why it's possible to have one-sided crushes. It's impossible to know how another person feels about you without knowing their exact birth time so you can determine their angles and to see if they are "in to you".[/B]

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posted August 18, 2013 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
So, are you saying that if a person's planets touch your angles, that's one possible indication that they may be "into you" or that you're "into them"?

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It's the angle person who is "into" the "planet person", at least initially. Touch my angle with a luminary, personal planet, one of your angle rulers or a "personalized" outer planet and you'll have my attention, perhaps not in a romantic sense (that would depend on whether or not you fulfill my "relationship signature"), but in SOME sense.

posted August 18, 2013 07:02 PM            

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This last series of questions is harder to answer. It would depend on what else is going on in the individual natal charts. What house(s) does Moon rule in B's chart? What aspects does B's Moon make in their natal? Does B's Moon rule an angle? Does it make any aspects to their own Uranus? All synastry must begin by a good understanding of each natal chart.

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posted August 18, 2013 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by psytaurus:
Let's just say that I have Uranus conjunct IC (2 deg) and square ASC/DSC (3 deg). So I naturally put that energy out there and at at least in the beginning people are quite aware of it (even if I'm not) and identify me by it.
Here comes B with their Moon conj my ASC (2 deg) and square my Uranus (1 deg). Now B doesn't have Moon/Uranus in their natal chart or Aquarius, but they have a Venus in 11th house trine Uranus. So they zero in on my angular planet thinking we are on the same level when it comes down to Uranian energy. What they don't know is that my Uranus is retrograde, not in domicile/exaltation, not angle ruler ,there are no Aquarius placements and the only aspects it makes are two loose trines.
In this hypothetically situation wouldn't person B feel a little bit cheated after they've got to know me better while I would still the same for them since their Moon is on my ASC? I wonder if anyone experienced this.

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