posted August 19, 2013 06:35 PM            

Here is his natal (inaccurate birth time): http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/natal?member=&recalc=&name=&sex=t&d1day=4&d1month=2&d1year=1984&d1hour=12&d1min=0&citylist=Columbia%2C+SC+%2845%29%2C+United+States&lan g=en

posted August 19, 2013 08:05 PM            

tPluto on his Venus.
tSaturn not far from his natal Pluto.
Natally Mars conjuncts Pluto and Saturn.. that can definitely mean violence towards others or oneself.

Jupiter was aspecting his natal Venus and Mars.
tUranus trine natal Uranus..

I don't see much activity to be honest, maybe his progressions are more revealing.

Usually in suicide cases, Mars or the outer planets are involved..

posted August 19, 2013 11:32 PM            

Four years ago - it was four years ago this month - I was hit by a depression that I had a lot of trouble shifting. It really hasn't gone away. I was only 34, but I was feeling so much older, and afraid of the future, suddenly seeing what I should have done when I was younger (what people were trying to tell me), but where anyone else would just do those things in the present (if they could), I kept sinking, due to brand new stresses and traumas. Chiron started to square my Moon/Venus/Nodes a few years ago, so the transit was applying, as well as a conjunction to my Mars, and trine uranus/ascendant... Saturn also conjoined my Pluto, and hit the t-square that keeps getting zapped.

I wish he'd held on one more day. I wanted to do the same thing over the weekend, but had a good day today.

posted August 20, 2013 12:51 PM            

He has beautiful eyes.

If the chart I am looking at is correct,I'm guessing it's the Mercury/Venus/Jupiter/Neptune conjunction(by sign) connection.

Mars-Saturn-Pluto describes the style of the suicide; it was violent(Mars-Pluto is guns/knives/bombs) and final(Mars-Saturn).

I think that this was a guy who probably disguized a lot of anguish internally.

I ran his chart initially and got Sun/Moon in Aquarius and I hear you talk of Moon in Pisces?

I'm guessing that makes more sense because the initial chart I ran was confusing- since the Sun and Moon made a conjunction, it didn't make sense to me why the Moon, when going through the same harsh transits as the Sun, opt for a drastic turn?

Pluto is currently transiting his Mercury/Venus and putting these planets and those that conjunct it, under a microscope.

I am specifically interested in Mercury , as this rules reasoning, and its conjunction with Neptune natally(confused thinking) is compounded by the focus of Pluto.

Obsessive thinking(either good or bad) as well as overwhelming feelings(transiting Pluto conjunct Venus) are the order of the day.

I wonder if there was a love affair that suddenly ended or some drastic separation(transiting Uranus Venus square) that caused these intense feelings to surface(Venus-Pluto conjunction)?

At face value, I'd say that he didn't mean to shoot himself but because of his extreme nature, Mars-Pluto conjunction and vengeful action(Mars-Saturn conjunction), it is likely that he was trying to exact punishment on another who hurt him. I really am betting my money that this is some sort of action to "exact" vengeance on someone he cares about.

The Moon in Pisces would make sense-as this position has "woes me" towards an unfavourable circumstance or upheaval.

I really would like to find out if there was a long standing love affair or something significant that he was counting on that Uranus rained on(Uranus transit squares his Mercury,Venus,Jupiter and Neptune) and making it impossible to adjust to the outcome. It really would sum up such a drastic turn/action.

If not, I suspect that there was a lot more going on beneath the surface with this guy. A lot more than meets the eye.

I just need to look at his chart further as it is not the same as the chart I was drawing conclusions from.

posted August 20, 2013 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I've heard that Jupiter is usually strong in death transits.

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posted August 21, 2013 01:26 AM            

Then my first analysis was from an accurate chart . But still, it doesn't make sense for the Moon and Sun to be undergoing the same stressful aspects and then decide to counter them by taking such drastic action.

He has Saturn squaring his Sun and Moon nataly and so, he is used to the energy and has learned to survive Saturn's crampy style of delivery.

I don't think the Sun/Moon positions are causes. I'd look at Mercury and the conjunction it has with Neptune. I swear this can have a person think like they are "losing it" or blow things completely out of proportion by exaggerating them.

The only thing that can explain this erratic action is the Uranus transit that squares most of his planets(as I said); Mercury, Venus,Jupiter and Neptune.

Uranus is not the energy that his chart has seen and probably put a spanner in the works.

His biography doesn't have much to tell, that is why I'm counting on Uranus.

If his biography suggest someone who has always battled with depression(Mercury-Neptune conjunct)or as someone that was temperemental(Sun-Pluto square and Mars-Pluto conjunction), then I'd say that he hadn't quite mastered the energy of his natal chart.

Someone who is good at interpreting progressions should look at his progressed chart for additional clues.

posted August 22, 2013 02:30 AM            

It makes you wonder what he may have done/seen that would have been dishonorable enough to kill himself.

posted August 22, 2013 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by SagittariusRising:
According to what I've been reading, he belonged to a belief system derived from the Yoruba tribes of Western Africa (Santeria is a well-known religion practiced in the Caribbean). In that way of life, they say that death is preferable to a life of dishonor.

It makes you wonder what he may have done/seen that would have been dishonorable enough to kill himself.

I cannot look at his picture, so tragic.

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mm....ive known plenty of peeps who practice african and african-derived religions and they would never say or believe in this, suicide is looked down as in many other cultures.
i would really like to know the evidence that shows that lukumi (santeria) or ifa (yoruba religion in west africa) emphasize that 'death is better than dishonor' thus, it is better to kill yourself.
and whether this young man was truly involved in an african or african-diasporic religion
these religions are actually life-affirming...
and lukumi, being of latin american stock, latin american cultures abhor the idea of suicide too.
imo, i think the media is doing its usual demonization of "black religions"....creating this wank and finding a scapegoat, because....it is a different religion.
same nonsense happens to wiccans, and any other 'alternative religion'

highly doubt they would talk like that had he been jewish or christian...
i cant help but notice the bias, and shoddy journalism, and gods, how people believe in nonsense like this so easily...

if anything, he was suffering from depression, period.
nonetheless, sad to see that for some portion of the american media, he couldnt be just a young black man dealing with depression....nope,
they had to drag his memory down with "primitive african mumbo jumbo religion responsible for suicide"
on the other hand, folks like heath ledger and kurt cobain, etc...do get the 'he was depressed' meme, and let's talk about depression and its effects awareness....

posted August 22, 2013 02:43 PM            

well said.

I don't know of any religion that would have a person kill themselves than bring "shame" or whatever.

posted August 22, 2013 07:34 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
mm....ive known plenty of peeps who practice african and african-derived religions and they would never say or believe in this, suicide is looked down as in many other cultures.
i would really like to know the evidence that shows that lukumi (santeria) or ifa (yoruba religion in west africa) emphasize that 'death is better than dishonor' thus, it is better to kill yourself.
and whether this young man was truly involved in an african or african-diasporic religion
these religions are actually life-affirming...
and lukumi, being of latin american stock, latin american cultures abhor the idea of suicide too.
imo, i think the media is doing its usual demonization of "black religions"....creating this wank and finding a scapegoat, because....it is a different religion.
same nonsense happens to wiccans, and any other 'alternative religion'

highly doubt they would talk like that had he been jewish or christian...
i cant help but notice the bias, and shoddy journalism, and gods, how people believe in nonsense like this so easily...

if anything, he was suffering from depression, period.
nonetheless, sad to see that for some portion of the american media, he couldnt be just a young black man dealing with depression....nope,
they had to drag his memory down with "primitive african mumbo jumbo religion responsible for suicide"
on the other hand, folks like heath ledger and kurt cobain, etc...do get the 'he was depressed' meme, and let's talk about depression and its effects awareness....

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Excellent post, thank you for this! I'm sorry I took what I read at face value, especially from the background that I've come from. And I understand too well about Western ignorance. I really should have thought better, especially since I don't know much about said Yoruba-based spirituality.

posted August 22, 2013 07:54 PM            

-Saturn return

-Saturn square sun and moon

-Saturn on Mars Pluto midpoint