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FruitTreeFresh
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posted August 26, 2013 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FruitTreeFresh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why do I find my ascendant spells more accurately of how I feel right than my Sun sign?

What's Sun sign for, apart from ego? My Sun is Libra and yes other than breaking free from bad relationship for this year which I did, it doesn't helps me on anything or tell me about my character.

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somethingexcellent
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posted August 26, 2013 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always had a hard time imagining what the Sun's function was - everything else had a neat little bit they provide to you, but what does ego mean???? As far as I can take it right now, the Sun is what you be without really trying. It's just what your natural self, I guess!

It would be easy to identify with your AC because that's what you act out, that's your best foot forward, so you think that it's you because you're the one telling yourself to do so. Buuut...it's all voluntary. The Sun is more complex, I think.

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Ami Anne
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posted August 26, 2013 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I always had a hard time imagining what the Sun's function was - everything else had a neat little bit they provide to you, but what does ego mean???? As far as I can take it right now, the Sun is what you be without really trying. It's just what your natural self, I guess!

It would be easy to identify with your AC because that's what you act out, that's your best foot forward, so you think that it's you because you're the one telling yourself to do so. Buuut...it's all voluntary. The Sun is more complex, I think.


Very well said that the Sun is the natural you. Thanks for the insight, SE!

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posted August 26, 2013 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun is how you subconsciously act around others.
Most of the time your family and close friends can feel your moon and other placements more strongly.

Asc is what you want to be, so you may consciously take on the traits of your ascendant around strangers.
Although it all depends on how strongly sun moon and asc are aspected.

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FruitTreeFresh
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posted August 26, 2013 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FruitTreeFresh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra? Graceful? Sweet? Blah I'm never that. But I do think everyone view me as a Libra. Man this Libra thing is definitely not helping.

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posted August 26, 2013 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's your ascendant?

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Kerosene
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posted August 26, 2013 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmm Do you have scorpio merc and venus?

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posted August 26, 2013 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FruitTreeFresh:
Why do I find my ascendant spells more accurately of how I feel right than my Sun sign?

What's Sun sign for, apart from ego? My Sun is Libra and yes other than breaking free from bad relationship for this year which I did, it doesn't helps me on anything or tell me about my character.



It's especially true with a Libra sun unless it has conjunctions, or in a house like 10, near the MC. Sun in Libra is not so strong since it's opposite Aries where sun is happiest.
So, as a Libra sun, if your rising sign is especially strong, or, you have planets conjunct your ascendant, you could feel affinity to it over your Libra sun. Your ascendant does support your sun to some extent, since it is the degree of the self, where, traditionally, the sign Aries begins. The sun has a strong connection to your ego or self, so does your ascending degree.

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somethingexcellent
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posted August 27, 2013 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or do you maybe have Sun conjunct some other planet in Libra? Pluto maybe?

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Aries Eagle
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posted August 27, 2013 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries Eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since my Rising progressed to Scorp many people guessed I'm Scorp Sun.

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posted August 27, 2013 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CatMote     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
Sun is how you subconsciously act around others.
Most of the time your family and close friends can feel your moon and other placements more strongly.

Asc is what you want to be, so you may consciously take on the traits of your ascendant around strangers.
Although it all depends on how strongly sun moon and asc are aspected.


i dont know. i think its a little different than that. asc is definitely NOT what i want to be; in fact, i hate my asc because people who dont know me perceive me as libran all the time. it might be because it opposites my sun in aries.

to ME (which i am different from everybody else) i think the SUN is what you want to be and what the heart of your chart is, and then your moon is your emotional world which will show up to your close friends etc, and your asc is how you appear to people subconsciously.

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Saturn in Aquarius Pluto in Scorpio
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posted August 27, 2013 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chargeomentum     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Best way to notice difference in them is when someone has fire sun and earth or water asc. Like me. I pretty much don't say anything to strangers when I meet them, and I just listen to what they say. When I get to know them, maybe 2-3 years later, that's when I start talking like a person. And 5 years later, I'm traveling with that person to the craziest journeys of life.

So yeah at first they see a Virgo in me, a bit later, or about 5 years later, they see an Aries. That's how it works. Or how I understand it works.

Yeah also people say that ASC is what they want to be. NOT TRUE IN MY PART EITHER. I want to be more like sun.

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posted August 27, 2013 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FruitTreeFresh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree. I want to be more like my Sun. Sun in Libra suppose to have easy dainty life, why am I not?

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posted August 27, 2013 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FruitTreeFresh:
Agree. I want to be more like my Sun. Sun in Libra suppose to have easy dainty life, why am I not?

What about your chart ruler? Venus, your sun ruler, matters too. I knew a Libra sun who didn't fit typical Venusian descriptions. She was much more Saturnine with an exalted Mars in good aspect to Venus and Saturn. This influenced the way her Libra sun played out. Plus, her sun is conjunct Jupiter in house ten with Virgo midheaven.

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Brendan34
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posted August 28, 2013 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brendan34     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried making a new topic but wasn't allowed to so thought I'd include this here:

Would multiple hard aspects to the Ascendant and Sun indicate that life will be hard for an individual?

My Ascendant is in Cancer
Mercury Square Ascendant
Venus Square Ascendant
Neptune Oppose Ascendant
Uranus Oppose Ascendant

Also,
Sun in Pisces
Sun Square Mars
Sun Square Saturn
Sun Square Uranus

In the past two years, I feel as if I've had some major revelations but they have been very hard to deal with and have made me withdraw excessively. I think I often get confused and undervalue myself, always thinking I am not good enough. I also have Neptune Square Mercury and am Pisces. I believe Neptune is the dominant planet in my chart when I looked on astro.com.

I feel very uncertain about my future, have experienced some ongoing health problems in the past two years which has also changed my outlook on life.

I have a terrible tendency to be escapist, and withdrawing when I am upset, or sick, as it is the only way I know how sometimes to cope.

Do these aspects to Ascendant and Sun indicate a life of hardship? If anyone could provide any insight into the placements I listed, I would really appreciate it.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 28, 2013 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brendan34:

I have a terrible tendency to be escapist, and withdrawing when I am upset, or sick, as it is the only way I know how sometimes to cope.

Do these aspects to Ascendant and Sun indicate a life of hardship? If anyone could provide any insight into the placements I listed, I would really appreciate it.



About the escapism, I do the same thing! It's like a reflex.

Lots of times charts with the most stressful aspects show the greatest potential. Try not to be discouraged

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posted August 28, 2013 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverFeather     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Virgo Ascendant SQUARING my Sun in Sagittarius EXACT.

I noticed that I act out my Ascendant when I'm with strangers and people whom I'm not entirely comfortable with.
My Ascendant comes off as a defense mechanism of some sort, more like an armor/shield.

With my family members, I act out my Libran Moon all the way..

With friends and lovers, My Sagittarius Sun shines right through and makes me come off to them as the typical happy-go-lucky Jupiterian.

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posted August 28, 2013 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The Ascendant is what is projected externally and is the "mask" one wears-so to speak - when interacting with the outside world.

It is the face you have when you meet a new person or go to a new place.

A Taurus Ascendant for instance, like I am, would go to a new place and have a very reserved external appearance.

I'd probably "feel" out the people of the place and see whether is is comfortable for me to "come out".

If it is, the Sun wastes no time in making its presence felt.


So people first meet the Ascendant and think that they have a wonderful, cor-perative, placid and meek individual.

But when the Sun in Sag shows up, with all its quirks, a lot of people are suprised and taken aback and wonder where the Sun came from?

I get that a lot.

The Sun, IMO, is really who we are and the Ascendant is just for appearances.


Maybe , in your case, you have an Ascendant that seems to "overpower" the Sun's expression(since Libra is said to be at its "fall" in the Sun's position). And I say "seems" here because, even at its so called "fall, the Sun can NEVER be thwarted from expressing its radiant self forever.

So, like typical Libran energy, it'll accommodate the assertive energy until such time when it feels that it has been "unfairly" ignored and has accommodated others enough. Then it'll make its presence felt.Usually by unusual , but very assertive, ways.

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posted August 28, 2013 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for slowpoke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your sun sign, of course, corresponds to the month and date you are born.

Your Asc is established, based on the time you were born. (This sets the signs to the houses.)

How you feel and how others perceive you is base on the natal aspects to your natal Sun and to the Asc and its' ruling planet. If the Sun has more natal aspects to it than there are aspects to the Asc and or its' ruler, then the Sun sign will tend to be the dominant influence you assimilate and project to the World. Otherwise, it will be the reverse.

If the Asc is intercepted (where the sign cusp sits very close to the Asc line), then it is possible to reflect the second sign riding the Asc, too, as the dominant influence you assimilate and project to the World.

S = ego energy
MR = raw energy
P = passionate energy
Asc = showmanship energy

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posted August 28, 2013 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Sun sign is the real you
your Ascendant is your veneer or what you show to the world around you. It is how you compensate or compromise with those around you to get along in your world.

When the Sun/Ascendant are in hard aspect then this shows issues with how you show your Sun sign, that is why some people are so different inside than outside, we compensate with our Ascendant.
Hard aspects to the Ascendant shows where you have personality kinks.

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posted August 28, 2013 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FruitTreeFresh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But how about Sun in Leo? Every single Leo wants to be the king of the jungle.

In retrospect of all the conclusions, it does seems that Sun is what you want to become.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 28, 2013 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FruitTreeFresh:

In retrospect of all the conclusions, it does seems that Sun is what you want to become.


Yep because it's the self, but so is the ascendant. Both are connected. See?

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posted August 29, 2013 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have lots of Cap in my chart, but my Virgo ASC is very impacting.

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posted August 30, 2013 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Sun is our life force, the ego, who we are at the core. The Ascendant is the mask we wear in front of other people. When the Sun makes a hard aspect to the Ascendant we don't show other people who we really are. I think the house position makes a huge difference. If the Sun is square (most of the times is in the 4th/10th house) or in opposition (6th/7th house) this is where we feel most comfortable "taking the mask off"(home, career, work or in partnership). Also the sign makes a huge difference because it shows how we are different.

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posted August 30, 2013 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverFeather     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Xena:
The Sun is our life force, the ego, who we are at the core. The Ascendant is the mask we wear in front of other people. When the Sun makes a hard aspect to the Ascendant we don't show other people who we really are. I think the house position makes a huge difference. If the Sun is square (most of the times is in the 4th/10th house) or in opposition (6th/7th house) this is where we feel most comfortable "taking the mask off"(home, career, work or in partnership). Also the sign makes a huge difference because it shows how we are different.

True.
I have my Sagittarius Sun sitting right on my IC, between my 3rd/4th House.
I feel most comfortable at home specially with my sisters.
I also feel at home with friends specially those I met in college/school.
I also have some sort of kinship to my childhood neighbors. They're good people whom I consider family as well.


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