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Topic: Depression/Suicide in the Natal Chart
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unforgiven_soul
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posted August 31, 2013 04:44 PM
  
I'm really interested to know how you can detect depression or suicide in a natal chart. Recently I had a conversation about it and talked about a friend I lost this way. His Sun and MC were in Scorpio. I've noticed that Scorpio MC's are self destructive... Any ideas about the aspects that could lead to this?P.S. The 12th house must be also a strong indicator. He had there Saturn, Uranus and Neptune (conjunction with ASC). IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 31, 2013 08:00 PM
I have a few aspects that I look at, One is the combust of the Sun and Mercury. The exact combust is super, super hard. The person cannot detach from anything. It is very sad.This is how I look at it. Someone says you look fat in that bathing suit. The combust has murdered you before they realized that you meant the person behind them. That is just an example of extreme reactivity due to the fact that they can't get a space between their emotions and their thoughts. Mercury conj Uranus is super hard as is the square. It makes the mind too frazzled like the person can't slow down. ------------------
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Kerosene
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posted August 31, 2013 08:42 PM
Majority of the human race has sun/mercury conjunction.I think moon/pluto is more up this alley. IP: Logged |
Zander916
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posted August 31, 2013 08:50 PM
I could see moon/pluto. I'm fairly new but I heard that Pluto is about cleansing, eliminating, rebirth, etc. So having ups and downs... ? 12th house I agree also depending on what's there. (self-undoing...?) I used to have a lot of issue in this area with Mars (conjunct asc from the 12th), Mercury (conjunct Mars) and Venus in 12th. Mars and Mercury square moon. Probably LOTS of things could contribute I would imagine. Are you able to post the chart? I'm sure many in the know could spot them. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted August 31, 2013 08:53 PM
Yeah i've known quite a lot of suicidal people with moon conjunct pluto.
A lot of them didn't even know why... they just really wanted to experience death.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 31, 2013 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Majority of the human race has sun/mercury conjunction.I think moon/pluto is more up this alley.
Combust is the hard one, Conjunction is a good one. Combust is exact to 5. Conjunction is 6-10. The close combust is very, very hard imo
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Zander916
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posted August 31, 2013 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Yeah i've known quite a lot of suicidal people with moon conjunct pluto.
A lot of them didn't even know why... they just really wanted to experience death.
I clearly remember my last episode and hopefully the last! I've felt great for a long long time since voluntarily getting help. For me I just felt so exhausted. I didn't even understand from what but just thinking, breathing. Having to wake up, or do anything just made me feel mentally exhausted. I just wanted it to end. I'm good now! I get down once in a while but not too bad. Nothing close to that.
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Kerosene
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posted August 31, 2013 08:59 PM
mercury does not even govern emotions, I don't see the connection.
any planet near the sun within 12 degrees is a combustion.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 31, 2013 09:05 PM
I can see Mercury feeling depressed by a planet like Saturn. It's the effect of the thoughts leading to the emotions. Mercury inconjunct Saturn, f.e. could indicate a depression so the combustion of Mercury by the sun indicates someone who cannot separate their thoughts from themselves. If they are experiencing something really painful, their selves cannot mentally detach. It could negatively affect their emotions. Thoughts often lead to feelings.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 31, 2013 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
mercury does not even govern emotions, I don't see the connection.
any planet near the sun within 12 degrees is a combustion.
Mercury is the mind. The Sun burns up the mind when it is too close--5 degrees or less.Watch it in people in your life and you will see. The people who can't take any criticism without going wild have this. It is an extreme kind of defensiveness imo I see this as one of the prime factors in emotional and mental illness That is one man's opinion. ------------------
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Kerosene
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posted August 31, 2013 09:16 PM
Suicide is an extreme case of mentally instability, and that's just using some logic.
Mercury/sun would be highly unlikely to be suicidal because the sheer number of people who have this combo.
Most people suffering from depression is due to their moon.
Moon/mercury is difficult because their natural enemies. So one would find it difficult to separate their logic and feelings.Moon is your inner most feelings repressed from childhood. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 31, 2013 09:17 PM
Moon/Pluto is totally different from Sun combust Mercury. We have two very different situations here imo ------------------
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Zander916
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posted August 31, 2013 09:21 PM
My moon is also in a Mercury sign. (Gemini) It's ruler in the 12th (Virgo) and they square
Along with many other things.
I think we'd all be foolish to just point the finger at a few aspects anyway.
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Kerosene
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posted August 31, 2013 09:24 PM
Mercury is ones aptitude the intelligence is the brain, but moon really ones "mind" and consciousness, memories.
The placement of the moon to be more important than the sun.
How one perceives things, how one feels.It may not be apparent to others but we all act through our moon. If mercury really ruled such intense things than gems and virgos would be the most emotional signs in the zodiac. haha
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Zander916
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From: Mercury
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 31, 2013 09:27 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kerosene:
Mercury is ones aptitude the intelligence is ruled by the brain, but moon really ones "mind" and consciousness, memories.
The placement of the moon to be more important than the sun.
How one perceives things, how one feels.It may not be apparent to other but one really acts through their moon.[/URL QUOTE]
Maybe I particularly have something else in there. Moon sextile sun which is good. But anyway, back to op. You guys know more than me but my interjection helps me learn too.  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 31, 2013 09:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
Mercury is ones aptitude the intelligence is ruled by the brain, but moon really ones "mind" and consciousness, memories.
The placement of the moon to be more important than the sun.
How one perceives things, how one feels.It may not be apparent to other but one really acts through their moon.
Well, I have observed certain things with the combust. That is that the person can't detach from the outside world and is super reactive to everything.
The Moon is one's deepest heart. I am not dealing with the Moon when I talk about the Sun/Merc combust but this is one man's experience and opinion
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LiesLilithsaidtouranus
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From: La,la land
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posted August 31, 2013 09:29 PM
The most obvious sign that someone can be easily suicidal is, if a stellium involving the sun, moon and mercury is in hard aspects to any planet. No matter if it is mars or any outer planet.
This person will always have swaying emotions because they will have tremendous internal conflict.Sun and/or moon in the water houses will more likely be depressed. Sun conjunct Mercury, is obvious as well. Sun conjunct moon as well. Sun conjunct Mars in Cancer, would be obvious too, they find it hard to express anger and frustrations at time. They are too passive.
Passivity is bad for emotions. Sun square or opposite moon, this is just big!
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 31, 2013 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
I'm really interested to know how you can detect depression or suicide in a natal chart. Recently I had a conversation about it and talked about a friend I lost this way. His Sun and MC were in Scorpio. I've noticed that Scorpio MC's are self destructive... Any ideas about the aspects that could lead to this?P.S. The 12th house must be also a strong indicator. He had there Saturn, Uranus and Neptune (conjunction with ASC).
The twelfth house can mean a lot of time spent in self undoing. Saturn/Uranus and Neptune all on the ascendant would be a heavy load to bear.
What kind of aspects does Saturn make besides the conjunction? What about the rest of the stellium? IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted August 31, 2013 09:34 PM
I think it could make someone too narrow minded with other negative qualities because the ego is combined with their logic. But the sun is someone to brighten mercury but they are usually aggressive and egotistical in their logic.
"I am best." I don't see the connection with depressed and suicide :s
Seems rather the opposite. I suppose I can see this happening if the ego is too weak.. if the sun is badly aspected.
Perhaps you are seeing other aspects besides sun conjunct mercury because it is so common. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted August 31, 2013 09:37 PM
I really doubt that Sun combust Mercury alone would make one suicidal and depressive. If it makes hard aspects with pluto or saturn then maybe the answer would be yes.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted August 31, 2013 09:39 PM
I can understand lack of mental detachment a factor in a suicide, yes, and strong ego. It's a very selfish act. How many times have you read "suicide is in itself a selfish act?" Also, combustion means weaker mentality, susceptibility to nervous disorders. It is an afflicted Mercury which can indicate nervous breakdowns. It weakens Mercury. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted August 31, 2013 09:45 PM
I don't really believe in combustions that much because the qualities of those planets are magnified.However the negative side is the ego. I don't really believe a lot of traditional rules. - sun in taurus/libra is weak
- Venus is weak is leo
- Mercury in pisces is weak. etc. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 31, 2013 09:47 PM
Haha I believe Venus is weak in Leo.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 31, 2013 09:47 PM
I don't see the combust as a suicidal aspect, per se.
I see it as mental imbalance aspect. That could lead to various things such as depression and other things.------------------
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Kerosene
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posted August 31, 2013 09:48 PM
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