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Topic: Question about charts.
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Violets
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posted September 04, 2013 03:58 PM
  
I go to astro.com to get my charts and use the "Web style/Placidus" method for looking at them.I've noticed that some aspects are counted with a very wide orb (9-10 degrees), which I would normally not consider worth looking at, especially with seemingly random planets like Uranus or Saturn, which are not personal planets for me, as far as I can tell. Other aspects with a tighter degree are not counted (I have Saturn sextile my moon by 7 degrees, and I would think that would count more than Saturn trine my Uranus by 10 degrees). But things like Saturn trine my Sun by 6 degrees are counted, as well as very wide orbs that fall into other signs (Pisces Jupiter at 25 degrees supposedly conjunct Venus at 3 degrees Aries?). I'm just wondering if there's a reason that some aspects with a tighter degree are discounted while others with a much wider orb are counted in the charts that I'm using. Should I be using a different method? IP: Logged |
Panthera Leo
Knowflake Posts: 138
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Registered: Jul 2013
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posted September 04, 2013 04:04 PM
You could try reducing your orb size or you could change your chart drawing style to the classical style.Would that orb not be to wide for a sextile ? IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 450
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posted September 04, 2013 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Panthera Leo:
You could try reducing your orb size or you could change your chart drawing style to the classical style.
Thanks, Panthera. I tried reducing the orb size, but it still discounted tighter aspects and counted wider orbs. It's kind of confounding. Maybe I'll try the classical style.
Or just draw the thing myself, ha.
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Panthera Leo
Knowflake Posts: 138
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Registered: Jul 2013
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posted September 04, 2013 04:09 PM
Perhaps there are Gremlins in your house making the computer malfunction IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 450
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posted September 04, 2013 04:12 PM
Hm. The classical style makes a bit more sense (it leaves me with only one T-square, not two), as I don't think that Venus square Saturn by 9 degrees would carry that much of an impact. But it's still ignoring my Moon/Saturn sextile with a 7 degree orb, and acknowledging my Sun/Saturn trine with a 6 degree orb.Erghh.
It is, however, nice to see that Uranus at 2 degrees Scorpio isn't considered square to my Capricorn Mars at 26 degrees. I don't really feel that placement too much.
*grumble...* IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 450
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posted September 04, 2013 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Panthera Leo:
Perhaps there are Gremlins in your house making the computer malfunction
That must be it. Effing gremlins and their obsessions with technology.
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Panthera Leo
Knowflake Posts: 138
From: Northern Ireland
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted September 04, 2013 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Hm. The classical style makes a bit more sense (it leaves me with only one T-square, not two), as I don't think that Venus square Saturn by 9 degrees would carry that much of an impact. But it's still ignoring my Moon/Saturn sextile with a 7 degree orb, and acknowledging my Sun/Saturn trine with a 6 degree orb.Erghh.
It is, however, nice to see that Uranus at 2 degrees Scorpio isn't considered square to my Capricorn Mars at 26 degrees. I don't really feel that placement too much.
*grumble...*
Thats really strange Violets when I use the classic style n my chart it doesn't include the wide squares to my Moon from Venus and Uranus.I wonder why it isn't taking your wide aspects away Moon 28 Virgo 37
Venus 7 Cancer 41
Uranus 6 Capricorn 33 IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 450
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posted September 04, 2013 04:33 PM
Yeah, it's really confusing. I've only looked at certain aspects closely, and without the super wide orbs (10 degrees seems a bit too wide to me), I only have one T-square instead of two, and no Grand Trine. I still have two Yods though, but when I try either alternative method it discounts one of the Yods (with a 2 degree orb), and still counts the Saturn trine Uranus by 10 degrees.
Apparently, I'll have to draw my own, haha.IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 450
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posted September 05, 2013 06:36 AM
Mmm...perhaps a mod could move this to the Astrology For Beginners thread (or something)?Panthera has been kind enough to offer up some suggestions, but those don't seem to be working for me (I have a new laptop, and the charts have been the same since I started using them...I only just now noticed the orb weirdness). Anyone on more accurate chart suggestions?? 
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Doux Rêve
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posted September 05, 2013 06:59 AM
Violets,A 7° sextile is too wide, that's why it doesn't show up.
Different aspects have different orbs, conjunctions and oppositions can go up to 8° -9° (but it's reaaaally wide), squares up to 6°-7°, trines up to 6° and sextiles up to 5°.
Different people use different orbs.. they're not set in stone.
But astro.com shows wide orbs, for all aspects.
I personally don't count aspects that go beyond 8°, and trines and sextiles aren't effectual if the orb is wider than 6°. Hope this helps. IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 450
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posted September 05, 2013 08:59 AM
Agh, yes! Thank you, haha. What would you say about quincunx? Mine are all within about two degrees of each other, but I'm curious. One of them disappears when I switch chart types.
<Edit> The only one that changes is the quincunx that has a 2 degree orb.
Thank you, Doux.
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Doux Rêve
Moderator Posts: 6097
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posted September 05, 2013 10:49 AM
You're welcome! =)
2° for the quincunx, yep.
As the ol' saying goes: if you can feel it, then the aspect is valid. (well, not always but, yeah).IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 450
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posted September 05, 2013 10:58 AM
That does make much more sense, haha.I wonder why there is a wider orb allowed for squares than for trines? I suppose I understand the basic concepts of the aspects, but I could stand to read up more on what each one represents. Do the same rules apply in synastry?
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