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Topic: Unaspected planets aspects
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peachbeigeblue Knowflake Posts: 3315 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted September 06, 2013 03:54 PM
I want to be clear as I am going through my birth chart data I have saved of people's charts. Semi-sextiles do count as it being an aspected planets but semi-squares do not? I read this: Rules for detecting an unaspected planet Astrologers do not agree on the aspects that ought to be taken into account when identifying an unaspected planet. There is a broad consensus that aspects formed by a planet to the angles of the chart are to be dismissed7, but whereas several authors consider only major aspects, some others include all the eleven usual aspects (major and minor). Among all the testimonies that we have reviewed to this day, based on our experience, we tend to agree with American astrologer Janis Huntley who accepts seven aspects, which involve the zodiacal twelve sections of 30 degrees, and neglects the semi-quintile (36 degrees, very rarely used), the quintile (72 degrees, slightly unfavourable and allowing a very tight orb), and the bi-quintile (144 degrees, same meaning as the quintile), the semi-square (45 degrees, slightly unfavourable), and the sesqui-square (135 degrees, slightly unfavourable too). The aspects to be considered are the conjunction (0 degree, cooperation or tension), the semi-sextile (30 degrees), the sextile and the trine (60 and 120 degrees respectively, aspects of cooperation), the square and the opposition (90 and 180 degrees respectively, tensed aspects), and the quincunx (150 degrees, slightly tensed). Thus, a planet is said to be unaspected if it forms no conjunction, semi-sextile, sextile, square, trine, opposition, or quincunx with one of the nine other planets of the natal chart, within the orbs of those aspects. How should this unaspected planet phenomenon be interpreted? After having made the synthesis of our personal experiences and those of astrologers who have published their conclusion on this topic, we provide here its most likely meaning for the ten planets. http://www.astrotheme.com/files/unaspected_planets.php IP: Logged |
Aries Eagle Knowflake Posts: 450 From: Mars & Moon Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 06, 2013 04:05 PM
That's explaining a lot of things to me, thanks for the link dear. quote: Mars unaspected: interpretationMars unaspected in a chart is without doubt the most noticeable case among the ten unaspected planets, according to the majority of astrologers. This can be explained by Mars' very nature which is synonymous with action, sexuality, or anger. Whereas with an unaspected Moon, Mercury, or Venus, the energy may be directed inwardly through emotions, the intellect, feelings, or desires, with Mars, there is always a concrete impact, an action, and a momentum directed towards a goal. Along with Pluto (hidden and instinctive energy) and Uranus (unpredictability), and to a lesser extent, the Sun (energy controlled by willpower), Mars possesses not only the strongest energy, but also the most direct, visible, and instant one. Unaspected Mars sometimes moves mountains and endows the person with inordinate power, sometimes activates the aggressive and quick-tempered facet of his nature. Depending on the person's natal chart, unaspected Mars may create a war hero, an athlete who achieves incredible exploits, or a quarrelsome, impatient, and chaotic person unable to control himself as soon as this planet is triggered by a hard transit or progression.
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peachbeigeblue Knowflake Posts: 3315 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted September 06, 2013 04:24 PM
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peachbeigeblue Knowflake Posts: 3315 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted September 06, 2013 04:29 PM
quote: Thus, a planet is said to be unaspected if it forms no conjunction, semi-sextile, sextile, square, trine, opposition, or quincunx with one of the nine other planets of the natal chart, within the orbs of those aspects.
GET THIS: following those guidelines, of the 100 birth charts i have saved (3 are random charts, tops) i am the only one with an unaspected planet by that definition. i guess unaspected planets are more rare than i thought. or at least for people i know in real life. the only chart that had an unaspected planet besides my own was a first meeting chart where mercury was unaspected for when my bf and i meti. d'aw. whatever that means. i was trying to see if i could relate whatever planet was unaspected to someone who i know so i could better understand but no such luck. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 46605 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 06, 2013 04:48 PM
Semi-sextiles do count as it being an aspected planets but semi-squares do not? I don't agree with any minor aspects counting. What would be the idea behind counting the semi sextile and not the semi square? ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 46605 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 06, 2013 04:50 PM
A.E Do you have Mars unaspected? I knew one who was a terror when she lost her cool. I know of another but am not close enough to see it play out. If you have it, what is your experience of it?------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 46605 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 06, 2013 04:55 PM
I will tell you how I look at Unaspected planets. This is one man's opinion.No minor aspects count. This includes the quincunx. Aspects to Chiron do not count. The Unaspected planet can have no major aspects--trines, sextiles, squares etc I do think that 8 degrees is Unaspected, even though 10 is the norm. This is kind of a grey area and astrologers disagree. I believe that there are Semi unaspected planets. I made this up myself by seeing that charts where people have one aspect to a planet where like mini Unaspected planets i.e they did have SOME characteristics of them. Anyway, that is how I do it. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Aries Eagle Knowflake Posts: 450 From: Mars & Moon Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 06, 2013 04:56 PM
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Aries Eagle Knowflake Posts: 450 From: Mars & Moon Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 06, 2013 04:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: A.E Do you have Mars unaspected? I knew one who was a terror when she lost her cool. I know of another but am not close enough to see it play out. If you have it, what is your experience of it?
There is a square red line from Venus to Mars wide orb (10 degrees) and different signs does that count? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 46605 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 06, 2013 04:57 PM
Peach This is a totally honest kind of question and don't answer if you don't want. Do you feel that you lack conscience? ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Aries Eagle Knowflake Posts: 450 From: Mars & Moon Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 06, 2013 05:13 PM
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peachbeigeblue Knowflake Posts: 3315 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted September 06, 2013 05:15 PM
not at alli have moon trine neptune aspect that actually maeks me put people before myself more often than not. i used to get taken advantage a lot IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue Knowflake Posts: 3315 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted September 06, 2013 05:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I will tell you how I look at Unaspected planets. This is one man's opinion.No minor aspects count. This includes the quincunx. Aspects to Chiron do not count. The Unaspected planet can have no major aspects--trines, sextiles, squares etc I do think that 8 degrees is Unaspected, even though 10 is the norm. This is kind of a grey area and astrologers disagree. I believe that there are Semi unaspected planets. I made this up myself by seeing that charts where people have one aspect to a planet where like mini Unaspected planets i.e they did have SOME characteristics of them. Anyway, that is how I do it.
i just was going by the astrotheme thing. if semi-sextiles and quincunxes do not count then there are a few people with unaspected planets i know. i would think quincunx would count, though. i just have read it's stronger than other minors and of astrologers using it where they didn't use the rest of the minors. i would count conjunctions and oppositions that wide personally. i seem to agree with astro orbs IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 46605 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 06, 2013 05:20 PM
I studied classic astrologers and went by that but people can differ, as they do with many subjects in Astrology( and life for that matter )------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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peachbeigeblue Knowflake Posts: 3315 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted September 06, 2013 05:29 PM
i liked this article: http://www.azastrologers.org/Articles/CollinsUnaspectedPlanets.pdf not related to orbs or particular aspects though IP: Logged |
LiesLilithsaidtouranus Knowflake Posts: 820 From: La,la land Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 06, 2013 05:32 PM
All aspects both major and Minor, count as aspects in relation to an unaspected planet.An unaspected planet means no aspects at all with the planets. Asteroids or fixed points don't count. Touch with an angle doesn't count either. I myself have a completely unaspected Jupiter. IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue Knowflake Posts: 3315 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted September 06, 2013 05:33 PM
do you count chiron? IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue Knowflake Posts: 3315 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted September 06, 2013 05:36 PM
i personally think my jupiter is unaspected. i have sun quintile jupiter, mercury quintile jupiter, jupiter biquintile neptune. perhaps if i better understand quintiles i would feel differently. i also have a semi-sextile to chiron but i have never read chiron should be included. IP: Logged |
Aries Eagle Knowflake Posts: 450 From: Mars & Moon Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 06, 2013 06:07 PM
More on subject quote: When a planet makes an aspect with another planet, their combined energies blend and are forced to work together. A planet that does not form any of the major seven aspects is said to be unaspected and it operates on its own pure energy. The abundance of the natural energy of an unaspected planet often dominates the birth chart. It is quite common for a planet to form only one weak or minor aspect like a quincunx or semi-sextile and therefore it can be taken as unaspected. Unaspected planets are nearly always overtly expressed in a person's nature and they often dominate his chart. When unaspected planets occur ina birthchart, they should be observed closely as they have the capacity of changing the entire pysche of the individual.
Link: http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-unaspectedplanets.htm IP: Logged |
LiesLilithsaidtouranus Knowflake Posts: 820 From: La,la land Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 06, 2013 06:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by peachbeigeblue: do you count chiron?
Chiron is an asteroid, so no. Quntiles are still an aspect. They make someone creative, it isn't a negative aspect or a bad aspect, but they don't affect a person all that much. Do you feel your Jupiter, or does it feel like any other planet in your chart?
From Cafeastrology Moon Quintile or Bi-Quintile Mercury You may have a particularly strong aptitude for, and interest in, mythology or legends. You may also have an interest in anthropology. You find the different ways in which different cultures meet life's challenges very interesting. I have this and this makes sense to me. Bi-quintiles, Quintiles speak creativity. It spices up anything.
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Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 4873 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted September 06, 2013 06:38 PM
My dad has absolutely no aspects with jupiter..He has horrible luck with money, at some point he was the main provider but failed miserably. My mom took over and they were able to get out of debt thanks to her and she provided us with a stable house hold. IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue Knowflake Posts: 3315 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted September 06, 2013 08:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by LiesLilithsaidtouranus: Chiron is an asteroid, so no. Quntiles are still an aspect. They make someone creative, it isn't a negative aspect or a bad aspect, but they don't affect a person all that much. Do you feel your Jupiter, or does it feel like any other planet in your chart?
From Cafeastrology Moon Quintile or Bi-Quintile Mercury You may have a particularly strong aptitude for, and interest in, mythology or legends. You may also have an interest in anthropology. You find the different ways in which different cultures meet life's challenges very interesting. I have this and this makes sense to me. Bi-quintiles, Quintiles speak creativity. It spices up anything.
my jupiter quintiles from cafeastrology.com "Sun Quintile or Bi-Quintile Jupiter Professional and business environments suit you well. You enjoy the progressive, creative, enterprising, outgoing, lively life style that participating in a progressive or professional activity brings you." "Mercury Quintile or Bi-Quintile Jupiter You thoroughly enjoy being exposed to new ideas and perspectives. You seem to know a little bit about everything, and you find different philosophies, styles, and approaches very interesting. You tend to not be as opinionated as most people or to take all these different ideas as seriously as many others do." I'd agree. But I always thought this may be my Sun & Mercury conjunct my MC and POF. "Jupiter Quintile or Bi-Quintile Neptune You appreciate and enjoy very imaginative art, clothing, and music. You probably have some very interesting decorations or art in your possession." I mean, I definitely believe these quintiles. I went through and looked up all of my quintiles today on this site and another site I posted a link to in another topic. I also read all my boyfriend's and his could definitely not be read as my Qs and bQs and vice versa - they make sense. I still don't think I connect with Jupiter as I do with every other planet. I think, for whatever reason, I relate to my planets usually through aspects with my personal planets (except my combust mercury who is like a shadow of my sun... but at least i can tell my mercury is a shadow of my sun) when i do something or think something i can usually pinpoint "oh, this is my sun trine mars" or "this is my venus uranus being fickle" or "venus/neptune idealizing" or "venus saturn taking things very very slow and cautiously" etc. but since jupiter doesn't aspect any of my personal planets except with quintiles - i don't think i feel it the same way. i think i can be more venus/saturn than venus/neptune depending on transits activating them somehow --- but i never get that way with jupiter since it's such minor aspects to my sun/mercury/and neptune and i have so many stronger aspects in my chart. my sun aspects every planet in my chart. the other aspects between my sun that are just minor aspects at least have major aspects to other personal planets. i just think jupiter is left out of the web. and it's an afflicted web so maybe it's not such a bad thing
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LiesLilithsaidtouranus Knowflake Posts: 820 From: La,la land Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 06, 2013 09:06 PM
The way I see Jupiter when connecting with the person's perosnality, is that of the devil and angel in each shoulder. But this time around with a luck/karma fairy atop the person's head.I don't connect with Jupiter. But Jupiter connects with my every day life. My Jupiter is erratic, I don't know what's behind each door I open. Sometimes I have good days, sometimes I have very lucky days or the worst days anyone could have. I understand where you are coming from. Bi-quintiles and quintiles, I think aren't really felt, they are more like action. I wish there was sub categories when it came to unaspected astrology. It would clear things up. Like for instance, no aspects to the angels or houses. I don't think it would work of asteroids because there are far too many of them, and there will always be one that connect to something in one's own chart.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 46605 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 06, 2013 09:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kerosene: My dad has absolutely no aspects with jupiter..He has horrible luck with money, at some point he was the main provider but failed miserably. My mom took over and they were able to get out of debt thanks to her and she provided us with a stable house hold.
So, he has an Unaspected Jupiter? ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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peachbeigeblue Knowflake Posts: 3315 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted September 06, 2013 09:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kerosene: My dad has absolutely no aspects with jupiter..He has horrible luck with money, at some point he was the main provider but failed miserably. My mom took over and they were able to get out of debt thanks to her and she provided us with a stable house hold.
He does too! At least semi-sextiles if I'm reading that wheel correctly you posted.
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