posted September 19, 2013 01:00 AM            

Very intensely deep, life changing relationship....iQ looked at our synastry and said he was a soulmate but subconscious karmic issues kept us apart.
So yes, these are very karmic relationships and until the karma has worked itself through and been balanced the relationship will be confusing and full of misunderstandings.
TIME, thats the answer...well and patience if you believe its worth the wait!

My 12th house falls in his 8th, so he was equally impacted by our relationship but had more fear and desire to control it instead of wanting to explore it, as i wanted because it was my 12th.

To me 12th is about breaking free from your personal prison by overcoming fears and pain that are suppressed, you want to let go so you welcome these things that come up.....8th, IMO, will bring up fears that lie hidden and you dont or arent ready to see...so while 12th is a more freeing experience(depending on your maturity).
8th isnt as open, theres more of a need to suppress and control the things it brings up.

I would definitely look at the house overlays and asteroid Valentine, Karma, Dejanira, Nessus, Chiron and Kaali!

447,3811,157,4227....Nessus and Chiron are on the list of extra items to pick on astro.com

These are very telling and will help you piece together the kind of karma you have together. If there is a lot of positives between you and a great Composite chart, which indicates after you work through the karma the relationship will be worth the wait.....it might be worth taking the time and patience to wait for it to work itself out....if theres not a lot of soulmate synastry and a happy composite chart, then just move on!
Until Karma relationships are worked through they are so hard! They dont make sense...things don't work no matter how much both of you care, love and want to make it work...its like everything is against you! Nothing is ever typical and im sure there is other relationships that wouldn't be so difficult to navigate...but sometimes the connection is so deep its worth the wait.

But thats up to you and your tolerance, your going to be forced to learn a new way to love and new type of relationship that is healthier, as this is karma's purpose!

From what ive seen karma changes your bond, you are forced to outgrow the more immature lusty passion and learn what love really is...the stuff your dealing with is going to be pulling both of you in ways that leave you vulnerable and wont allow you to be superficial.

If you will support them or they support you under any circumstances...even if your not together and you or them become the best friend that will pick up at 2 A.M. to listen to you cry because someone broke your heart, think your beautiful even when you have snot running out your nose from crying over someone else, and you know you can share anything and wont be judged or hurt for it...karma is doing its job!

Youve found something worth waiting for and your karma together has done what its supposed to, helped you outgrow the facades you use to 'keep you safe', break down your walls, and become vulnerable so you can learn what it means to really love! If you make it that far together and still deeply mean something to each other, then, youve got an amazing foundation to start a real relationship that will be forever instead of just the typical few years most get, if their lucky.
You will have to face the harder, deeper issues, they will see your core and if you don't run in terror then you gain a genuine bond. Until you both allow this to happen this karma will remain to inhibit the ease and happiness of the relationship.

posted September 19, 2013 07:48 PM            

My destinn conjuncts his moon
Planets in each others h12
Both way moon sextile Pluto.

Karma trine karma exact
His karma/destinn opps my destinn...

Just blahhhh...

posted September 20, 2013 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by sc0rpioRising:
Wow.... Gabbby... i think I read ur reply about 3 times! I have the same as lisalisa with some one.. my destin cobjunct his moon, my karma conjunct his venus, our karma is conjunct too. its so hard right now, cos we cant be together, but we care about eachother a lot... Byt its soo hard at the same time, never cried so much either... have no idea how its going to play out... very interesting read though Gabby!

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Do you have soulmate aspects that suggest deep sacrificial love with your valentine asteroids(447)....

Valentine is about the only thing that will give you the ability to hang in there, genuinely keep forgiving each other, and never losing the tender feelings you have even though Karma continues setting up for pain and heartache. Valentine will allow you to grow closer instead of apart and more tender for each other instead of turning hard and cold.
But only in good aspects and aspecting tender places in each others charts. Valentine conjunct Valentine is a, "we can walk through hell and come out better, together" aspect! Its the best! Although Valentine conjunct Moon, Dejanira and any sensitive places is going to make a special bond...

Watch out if one has soft or conjunct Valentine aspects in synastry while the other has squares or oppositions in their Valentine synastry.

This might feel one sided for one and the other person will think everything is fine. One will feel they are always the person sacrificing and feel the other is just cruising along taking advantage of them or taking them for granted.

Kaali(4227) is another very telling asteroid, the friend i have that we have a lot of karma, his Kaali is conjunct his Chiron which opposes my Karma, and my Karma is on my Chiron, inconjunct my Kaali.

posted September 20, 2013 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

Watch out if one has soft or conjunct Valentine aspects in synastry while the other has squares or oppositions in their Valentine synastry.

This might feel one sided for one and the other person will think everything is fine. One will feel they are always the person sacrificing and feel the other is just cruising along taking advantage of them or taking them for granted.

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If only one person has his valentine aspected, does that mean only the valentine person sacrifices and it becomes one-sided?

What if the A's valentine conjuncts B's DC, would that still be one-sided, since DC is a very sensitive point?

posted September 21, 2013 12:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Do you have soulmate aspects that suggest deep sacrificial love with your valentine asteroids(447)....

Valentine is about the only thing that will give you the ability to hang in there, genuinely keep forgiving each other, and never losing the tender feelings you have even though Karma continues setting up for pain and heartache. Valentine will allow you to grow closer instead of apart and more tender for each other instead of turning hard and cold.
But only in good aspects and aspecting tender places in each others charts. Valentine conjunct Valentine is a, "we can walk through hell and come out better, together" aspect! Its the best! Although Valentine conjunct Moon, Dejanira and any sensitive places is going to make a special bond...

Watch out if one has soft or conjunct Valentine aspects in synastry while the other has squares or oppositions in their Valentine synastry.

This might feel one sided for one and the other person will think everything is fine. One will feel they are always the person sacrificing and feel the other is just cruising along taking advantage of them or taking them for granted.

Kaali(4227) is another very telling asteroid, the friend i have that we have a lot of karma, his Kaali is conjunct his Chiron which opposes my Karma, and my Karma is on my Chiron, inconjunct my Kaali.

Kaali is your life force energy, deep connection to your core being when it aspects a personal place, and esp important when it touches a destiny/karma place in someones chart. Kaali has been explained as it breathes life into anything it touches, so if yours touches someones Chiron you will unintentionally breath energy and life into their deepest wounds, bringing their pain to the surface, maybe eventually helping them heal...but i definitely see Kaali as another place to look for karma, for good or bad!

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Aww, thank you for this, I had a look and my valentine is conjunct his child and destinn, but by 7'orb, and makes minor aspects to venus, mars, jupiter, kaali, but they are all semi squares, but 1'orb.
His valentine is opposite my kaali by 1'. The others are semi squares but very tight to my moon, mars, jupiter, ...interestingly .. His kaali is conjunct my vertex, but by 6' and squares my kaali exact, and my kaali is opposite his valentine and union by 1', and 2', respectively.

Might have repeated myself above.. Sorry about that, not sure what to make of how our valentine and kaali aspects, but its very difficult, sometimes I think my life is better if he would just go away, I would just tell myself he never existed, we r from different walks of life, how we would make it work I have no idea, the thought of him going though hurts a lot too, like I just wouldn't understand why he was meant to be in my life if he was just to go away just like that too, you see, I am very very very confused, and I've never felt this way about anyone, it's hard to handle sometimes, ... Sigh....