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Topic: I am having serious doubts about astrology
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Xena
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posted September 19, 2013 05:45 PM
  
Up until now I believed in astrology and was very interested but yesterday at night I couldn't sleep so I started thinking (big mistake). I realized that our birth is just a transition phase when a completely conscious & developed human being starts to function on his own. Up until then the baby was one with the mother because he dependent on her for food, air... to develop properly. The baby still needs his mother after birth but in a different way, it's more independent. But while the baby is in his little mommy incubator it is already a conscious being with its own personality. So if astrology really works shouldn't we base the chart on the actual conception date, since it's then that the baby began forming (it was his actual "birth date", the birth itself 9 months later was just a phase in his life).
Am I crazy? This sounds so logical. It's like my whole belief system is slowly changing. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted September 19, 2013 05:53 PM
As long as the baby is within the mother the baby is more of her body (and carried within her astrological energy) than its own being. I don't consider astrology kicking in until that first breath of air is taken, and that's when their "soul" for want of a better word boots up. Oh, and astrology is metaphysics like other aspects of mysticism and the occult, it works more by poetic means than the logical means of science. IP: Logged |
Astrochologist
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posted September 19, 2013 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Xena:
Up until now I believed in astrology and was very interested but yesterday at night I couldn't sleep so I started thinking (big mistake). I realized that our birth is just a transition phase when a completely conscious & developed human being starts to function on his own. Up until then the baby was one with the mother because he dependent on her for food, air... to develop properly. The baby still needs his mother after birth but in a different way, it's more independent. But while the baby is in his little mommy incubator it is already a conscious being with its own personality. So if astrology really works shouldn't we base the chart on the actual conception date, since it's then that the baby began forming (it was his actual "birth date", the birth itself 9 months later was just a phase in his life).
Am I crazy? This sounds so logical. It's like my whole belief system is slowly changing.
Some astrologers use conception charts . ITs a symbiotic relationship until your cord is cut though.
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SDragon
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted September 19, 2013 06:01 PM
Hmm... I like to think of the birth date/time as an appointment. The soul plans to take on the energies and planetary archetype complexes starting from that appointment time. I mean technically the conception time could be used as well, but until empirical evidence can prove that more people are true to that natal chart, I'm not sure there's any weight to it. A 9 month conception would put my sun between Leo and Virgo and I can tell you, I'm definitely a Taurus. Interesting thought though. IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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From: Sagittarian Isles
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted September 19, 2013 06:01 PM
The Natal and sidereal charts are concepted for the moment we come into touch with 'Earths reality' and the moment our eyes meet with life, this when the rays/beams/particles effect us.The Draconic chart is for when the moons ecliptic happened while you were in the womb, this is chart of the Dragons head + Tail, North + South Nodes, Soul Journey through this life. In theory the Draconic chart is your 'within the womb' chart and your deepest soul personality, the natal/sidereal is your chart of immediate consciousness  ------------------
Sun Scorpio Moon Sagittarius
Leo Mars Venus Libra
Leo Midheaven
Mercury Scorpio Jupiter in Scorpio
Saturn in Aquarius Pluto in Scorpio
Neptune and Uranus in Sagittarius
Ascendant Scorpio
N.Node Libra IP: Logged |
AriesLilith
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posted September 19, 2013 06:13 PM
I've heard from some belief system that the soul only enters the baby body some x days before birth day.Personally I think that using the birth day makes more sense since it's about us coming to this world officially, we are officially out of our mothers' wombs. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted September 19, 2013 07:07 PM
Born = manifested (as opposed to manifesting). And astrology helps predict (and attuned to) manifestations. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted September 19, 2013 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Xena:
Up until now I believed in astrology and was very interested but yesterday at night I couldn't sleep so I started thinking (big mistake). I realized that our birth is just a transition phase when a completely conscious & developed human being starts to function on his own. Up until then the baby was one with the mother because he dependent on her for food, air... to develop properly. The baby still needs his mother after birth but in a different way, it's more independent. But while the baby is in his little mommy incubator it is already a conscious being with its own personality. So if astrology really works shouldn't we base the chart on the actual conception date, since it's then that the baby began forming (it was his actual "birth date", the birth itself 9 months later was just a phase in his life).
Am I crazy? This sounds so logical. It's like my whole belief system is slowly changing.
Experience trumps theory in my reckoning of things, and since astrology has proven itself accurate repeatedly, and since I can often guess sun signs, even birthdays once in a while, there is really nothing anyone can say to persuade me that astrology is NOT keyed to reality. It is!  IP: Logged |
CatMote
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From: New Britain, CT, United States
Registered: Apr 2013
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posted September 19, 2013 08:08 PM
its weird.
i dont know how astrology works; nor do i know why.
i know that from my experience it has been extremely accurate and see no need to change the current way i use it. ------------------
Sun Aries Moon Pisces
Mars Pisces Venus Pisces
Mercury Aries Jupiter in Virgo
Saturn in Aquarius Pluto in Scorpio
Neptune and Uranus in Capricorn
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Randall
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From: Saturn next to Charmainec
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posted September 19, 2013 08:24 PM
Linda explained it that we are magnetically imprinted once we take our first breath.IP: Logged |
slowpoke
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posted September 20, 2013 03:00 AM
Astrology is a statistical tool. From past expediences, people have assembled day to day activities with the alignment of the planets and have assigned aspect values based on good or stressful observations. People who use Astrology will either find the results to be good or faulty.I have found that people who seem to have, what most of us might call, successful lives, are more prone not to be interested in Astrology. They seem to know, what they want and know how to get it. When I look at their natal charts, a patten emerges, their natal aspects appear to be the kind that the rest of us are hoping and wishing we could have. We, who study Astrology appreciate what they have, while they don't care about the aspects at all and take for granted the blessings they have. Astrology is for the people who understand their position in life and would like to improve on that position. This is only one, of many avenues to take in that direction. The value of the results, from Astrology is what we use to determine if it is worth our while to use it. It is not uncommon to look elsewhere to find the appropriate guides to one's life. slowpoke IP: Logged |
Diplopoda
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posted September 20, 2013 03:04 AM
I think baby in tummy takes the birthday of conception whilst a birthed baby takes the bday of the exit day/time IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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From: Saturn
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted September 20, 2013 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by Xena:
Up until now I believed in astrology and was very interested but yesterday at night I couldn't sleep so I started thinking (big mistake). I realized that our birth is just a transition phase when a completely conscious & developed human being starts to function on his own. Up until then the baby was one with the mother because he dependent on her for food, air... to develop properly. The baby still needs his mother after birth but in a different way, it's more independent. But while the baby is in his little mommy incubator it is already a conscious being with its own personality. So if astrology really works shouldn't we base the chart on the actual conception date, since it's then that the baby began forming (it was his actual "birth date", the birth itself 9 months later was just a phase in his life).
Am I crazy? This sounds so logical. It's like my whole belief system is slowly changing.
Nope. You are not. That's why there is a form of Vedic that actually takes the actual conception date. IP: Logged |
Enigma9
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Registered: May 2013
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posted September 20, 2013 09:10 PM
mhmm interesting. but i still believe the birthdate you are born is the date to follow.IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 5417
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted September 20, 2013 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Nope. You are not.That's why there is a form of Vedic that actually takes the actual conception date.
Ohh wanna elaborate on that, What's that called again? IP: Logged |
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