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Topic: How much importance do you place on detriment/exalted placements?
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Violets
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posted September 23, 2013 12:33 AM
  
I've never paid much attention to this one either, but I just started reading a bit more about it.So my Saturn and Venus are in detriment in Cancer and Aries, and my Mars is exalted in Capricorn. As Saturn is trine my sun and at the apex of a Yod, I'm curious about how much emphasis others think the traditional roles play with placements. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted September 23, 2013 12:46 AM
I guess they have influence but some of my favorite placements are planets in fall or debilitation. I have jupiter in fall.
Not too fond of that actually
I don't like venus in virgo either..
Not a fan a virgo placements specifically with the benefic planets but I do like the sun and moon there.
mercury in virgo is okaaaay 
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12thhouser
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posted September 23, 2013 12:51 AM
Well, something I found online (and should have bookmarked it to copy and paste the URL here but forgot to) explains dignities and debilities this way (instead of the numeric scale [+5,+4, etc.] a lot of people I've noticed tend to overuse, and almost seem to depend on like a crutch). But, I did manage to copy and paste the text "as is" to Word. Here it is:"Rulership is also called Essential Dignity. A planet in its Dignity gains an energy boost. Other concepts related to Rulership involve the interrelationship from one sign to another. Detriment: A planet in the sign opposite the Dignity expresses itself in its Detriment. This is a dilution of energy. Exaltation: When a planet is in its exaltation, the energy expression is strengthened and intensified. Fall: A planet in the sign opposite the Exaltation carries extra weight or is hampered in some manner. This is much like a pollution of the energy symbolized by the planet." As far as how much emphasis I myself place on it, it depends. You can take it or leave its importance I suppose, but I've noticed a tendency that those with planets and/or luminaries in fall tend to suck others into their void. Like the explanation states, in fall can be akin to pollution, and like pollution, it spreads and infects others. People I've known with planets and luminaries in fall don't seem satisfied until others experience their abuse. At the same time, I know an Aries sun sign who, although a nice enough guy, can be very into himself and cannot see outside the sphere of his own existence. Too much "I," in my opinion.
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Violets
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posted September 23, 2013 12:58 AM
@ Kero--I haven't read too much about it...I remember reading about it when I first started studying astrology, but that was when I was in junior high, and it didn't make sense to me so I didn't pay much attention to it.It does seem as though my Saturn is kind of "tired", but it's at the tip of a Yod and conjunct the asteroid Destinn, so I have to wonder about that...anyway... I don't mind having Venus in Aries so much, I kind of like it sometimes.
I absolutely love my Mars in Capricorn (I think the 6th house is a good spot for it, it gives me a lot of physical endurance and I'm great at work in social services). I'll have to keep reading about it...
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Violets
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posted September 23, 2013 01:03 AM
Thank you, 12thhouser. *Thanks lucky stars that there aren't any planets in fall* I do notice a weakened Saturn, although I think that the trine to my sun still helps to stabilize some of my other flaky placements. But it's probably not as strong as it otherwise might be. Interesting that it's at the apex of a Yod for me, and also conjunct my Destinn asteroid. That's my stuff, of course...but there's a reason I'm wondering about it, haha. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted September 23, 2013 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Thank you, 12thhouser. *Thanks lucky stars that there aren't any planets in fall* I do notice a weakened Saturn, although I think that the trine to my sun still helps to stabilize some of my other flaky placements. But it's probably not as strong as it otherwise might be. Interesting that it's at the apex of a Yod for me, and also conjunct my Destinn asteroid. That's my stuff, of course...but there's a reason I'm wondering about it, haha.
Saturn in Cancer is the apex of my Yod, too.
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Violets
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posted September 23, 2013 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Saturn in Cancer is the apex of my Yod, too.
Oooh! That's interesting. I want to ask you questions about how that has manifested for you, or how you've worked with it...but Yods can be really personal, I think. But if you have any insight, please share!
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12thhouser
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posted September 23, 2013 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Oooh! That's interesting. I want to ask you questions about how that has manifested for you, or how you've worked with it...but Yods can be really personal, I think. But if you have any insight, please share!
lol no problem. Which house is your Saturn in? Is it retrograde? Mine is Rx on the 5th house cusp, what I call a "4th/5th house blend." IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted September 23, 2013 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
mercury in virgo is okaaaay
 Yes, I think we have some decent Virgo Mercury people here, haha. But I agree that Virgo moons are amazing. *cough*
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Kerosene
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posted September 23, 2013 01:52 AM
Qualities I like about planets in fall or debilitation.
Libra sun: More beautiful and popular than you.
Sun in aqua: 2 cool 4 u or just ******* weird.
Moon in Capricorn: Just real.
Moon in scorpio: O.G
Mercury in Pisces: Under appreciated for their brilliance
Mercury in sag: ******* hilarious!
Venus in Aries: Hot and just authentic about love.
Venus in scorpio: Hot and crazy in a good way
Venus in Virgo: They mean it when they say I love you, pretty admirable!
Mars in cancer: Yeah don't mess with them, they will probably kill you....
Mars in libra: No personal experience
Mars in taurus: I knew one with a huuuge wang..
Jupiter in virgo: Least likely to break a leg, seriously I've never broken a bone or had any type of surgery and I have mars in aries...
Jupiter cap: Richer than you lmfao
Saturn in cancer: No personal experience
Saturn in aries: No personal experience
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Violets
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posted September 23, 2013 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
lol no problem. Which house is your Saturn in? Is it retrograde? Mine is Rx on the 5th house cusp, what I call a "4th/5th house blend."
My Saturn is in 11th. Yeah, retrograde.
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Violets
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posted September 23, 2013 01:55 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Qualities I like about planets in fall or debilitation.
Libra sun: More beautiful and popular than you.
Sun in aqua: 2 cool 4 u or just ******* weird.
Moon in Capricorn: Just real.
Moon in scorpio: OG'S
Mercury in Pisces: Under appreciated for their brilliance
Mercury in sag: ******* hilarious!
Venus in Aries: Hot and just authentic about it.
Venus in scorpio: Hot and crazy in a good way
Venus in Virgo: They mean it when they say I love you, pretty admirable!
Mars in cancer: Yeah don't mess with them, they will probably kill you....
Mars in libra: No personal experience
Mars in taurus: I knew one with a huuuge wang..
Jupiter in virgo: Least likely to break a leg, seriously I've never broken or bone or had any type of surgery and I have mars in aries...
Jupiter cap: Richer than you lmfao
Saturn in cancer: No personal experience
Saturn in aries: No personal experience
That actually made me laugh out loud. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted September 23, 2013 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Qualities I like about planets in fall or debilitation.
Libra sun: More beautiful and popular than you.
Sun in aqua: 2 cool 4 u or just ******* weird.
Moon in Capricorn: Just real.
Moon in scorpio: O.G
Mercury in Pisces: Under appreciated for their brilliance
Mercury in sag: ******* hilarious!
Venus in Aries: Hot and just authentic about it.
Venus in scorpio: Hot and crazy in a good way
Venus in Virgo: They mean it when they say I love you, pretty admirable!
Mars in cancer: Yeah don't mess with them, they will probably kill you....
Mars in libra: No personal experience
Mars in taurus: I knew one with a huuuge wang..
Jupiter in virgo: Least likely to break a leg, seriously I've never broken a bone or had any type of surgery and I have mars in aries...
Jupiter cap: Richer than you lmfao
Saturn in cancer: No personal experience
Saturn in aries: No personal experience
Each of these placements would depend on any aspects and receptivity to the signs they aspect. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted September 23, 2013 02:04 AM
Precisely, sooo why is it so bad to have planets in fall if aspects really matter?And I've known people with badly aspected planets in fall and they function pretty normally.
I don't actually take fatalistic astrology seriously at all.. not in real life. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted September 23, 2013 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Precisely, sooo why is it so bad to have planets in fall if aspects really matter?And I've known people with badly aspected planets in fall and they function pretty normally.
I don't actually take fatalistic astrology seriously at all..
Aspects aren't the only thing that matter. I believe it begins with placements. Aspects can affect a placement, but only so much. Besides, a person may take a liking to a planet or luminary in fall if they aspect it in a way they find beneficial to them via synastry. Experienced professionals don't treat astrology fatalistically either.
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charlie
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posted September 23, 2013 04:01 AM
I have a Cap Moon (detriment) and Leo Saturn (detriment) in houses 5/11.Always been curious what this might mean! IP: Logged |
LovelyAries86
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posted September 23, 2013 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Qualities I like about planets in fall or debilitation.
Libra sun: More beautiful and popular than you.
Sun in aqua: 2 cool 4 u or just ******* weird.
Moon in Capricorn: Just real.
Moon in scorpio: O.G
Mercury in Pisces: Under appreciated for their brilliance
Mercury in sag: ******* hilarious!
Venus in Aries: Hot and just authentic about love.
Venus in scorpio: Hot and crazy in a good way
Venus in Virgo: They mean it when they say I love you, pretty admirable!
Mars in cancer: Yeah don't mess with them, they will probably kill you....
Mars in libra: No personal experience
Mars in taurus: I knew one with a huuuge wang..
Jupiter in virgo: Least likely to break a leg, seriously I've never broken a bone or had any type of surgery and I have mars in aries...
Jupiter cap: Richer than you lmfao
Saturn in cancer: No personal experience
Saturn in aries: No personal experience
Perfectly funny and mostly accurate!
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Precisely, sooo why is it so bad to have planets in fall if aspects really matter?And I've known people with badly aspected planets in fall and they function pretty normally.
I don't actually take fatalistic astrology seriously at all.. not in real life.
In total agreement here! As I stated in my other thread...I *loathe* this fall/detriment talk. It's mostly about a matter of PREFERENCE. In my view... Mars in Cancer is just as dangerous as Mars in Aries! Mercury in Gemini is just as "all over the place" as Pisces. Sun in Libra is just as charming & attractive as Leo. The only difference here is STYLE!!! That is ittt. 
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12thhouser
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posted September 23, 2013 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Mars in Cancer is just as dangerous as Mars in Aries!
That's why it's Mars in Capricorn FTW! lol
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peachbeigeblue
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posted September 23, 2013 09:54 AM
what i think is interesting is that my sun, moon, pluto (chart ruler) and mars are all in domicile or exalted and end up making negative aspects to each other (well mars just pluto) sun in leo square taurus moon and pluto scorpio. mars in aries inconjunct pluto scorpio. interesting how seemingly good dignities end up poorly aspecting each other. (of course this is because the degrees) IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted September 23, 2013 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
what i think is interesting is that my sun, moon, pluto (chart ruler) and mars are all in domicile or exalted and end up making negative aspects to each other (well mars just pluto) sun in leo square taurus moon and pluto scorpio. mars in aries inconjunct pluto scorpio. interesting how seemingly good dignities end up poorly aspecting each other. (of course this is because the degrees)
As I said earlier, aspects affect placements only so much.
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peachbeigeblue
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posted September 23, 2013 10:01 AM
my point is i think it's interesting domicile/exalted planets poorly aspects each other. i realize to look at the bigger picture, though IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted September 23, 2013 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
my point is i think it's interesting domicile/exalted planets poorly aspects each other. i realize to look at the bigger picture, though
I have Mars in Capricorn in exact sextile to Venus in Pisces. A sextile isn't a poor aspect. IP: Logged |
LovelyAries86
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posted September 23, 2013 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
That's why it's Mars in Capricorn FTW! lol
I know right?! We're the best-est IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted September 23, 2013 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
That's why it's Mars in Capricorn FTW! lol
Yes!
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Violets
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posted September 23, 2013 11:05 AM
I believe it's the only planet in my chart besides Jupiter that only has a pleasant trine aspect. Everything else has at least one smooth aspect and one hard aspect. At least one of each.
 Although technically my Capricorn Mars is square my Scorpio Uranus from 26 degrees to 2 degrees, but I don't count that for much because I don't tend to feel it.
I honestly think the Mars/Jupiter trine and the Uranus/Sun/Moon positive aspects cancel out the awkward square, or at least diminish it considerably. IP: Logged |
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