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filleaspirant
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posted October 01, 2013 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got this friend that is a real conundrum to me...

He's a pisces (1st decan) that acts NOTHING like a pisces. He's boastful, for one. He's very agressive in his approach (not violent, just very goal-oriented). He's a bit manipulative (he wants what he wants when he wants it). He's a competitive freak (always wants to be first or better, especially if I'm in the picture). He's a guy's guy, likes sport, sweating, swearing and being popular (your typical high school jock). He also loves - let me emphasize, LOVES - attention. He's very intrusive and stalks any and every social network you might have (he actually hacked into my email account when we were younger - around 18, we're both 25 right now; and I'm certain he'd do it again, given the chance).

What's up with that? I've had many Pisces friends who were nothing life that...

If this helps explaining something, he's a Virgo Mooon, Aqua Mercury and Venus, and Taurus Mars... I'm pretty sure he's Aries Rising, but he won't give me his birth time to check (I asked for it directly).

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posted October 01, 2013 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Strangely enough I knew a Pisces male exactly like this (I actually wondered if you knew the same guy until you said he's 25 right now when the guy I know would be in his 30s)...but I don't know anything about his chart other than he was a Pisces. My GUESS is that he did it to fight insecurity as his feelings could be hurt easily and was sensitive about coming from a dysfunctional home (and if your friend hacks your accounts then it sounds like he's insecure and wondering what you're saying about him, too) and/or their sensitivity requires them to have others think well of them (didn't say he couldn't be counterproductive at it).

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posted October 01, 2013 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know hella Pisces who are like that! In fact, everything you said sounded more and more like this one Pisces I knew in high school. Total jock! It always felt like just one of the archetypes of Pisces...

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posted October 01, 2013 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the main thing to remember about us is that we are overly mutable, the most mutable, the end of the Zodiac, the blend of all 12.

We are chameleons, we blend into what we are at the current time in life, who we are with, the influences of things around us..

I get a huge Aries vibe from this guy (dated a Pisces sun with a whole lot of Aries...drove me insane), and he is only acting like a man who has not come into his own yet. And with a femanine sun, moon and Mars, he is not comfortable in his own skin yet and projects onto others...

Pisces swiming down, but alot of us do, we all do at some time of our lives.

I think Pisces is the hardest sun sign to pigenhole into speficic sun sign traits, cause like I said we are so darn changeable~

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posted October 01, 2013 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moon is Lunatic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually know a pisces guy who is like that. Lol.

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filleaspirant
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posted October 01, 2013 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think PixieJane is on to something with her guess... I mean, it's a bit like "thou doth protest too much" with all the testoterone he puts off.

I'm so glad there are other jerky pisces out there... I was starting to think I was the only one getting annoyed by him.

Hope more pisces come here to share their takes on their personality

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posted October 01, 2013 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyways have you checked his duads?

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filleaspirant
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posted October 01, 2013 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Anyways have you checked his duads?

...no, lol. What's that?

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filleaspirant
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posted October 01, 2013 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 01, 2013 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Without knowing his real birthtime, I can't say anything intelligent about this

But if he does have an aries rising, it explains a lot...maybe it is his first impression who gives this wipe, I couldn't imagine a pisces being like that when you get to know them... they just CAN*T be mean, I've never seen it, except ONE pisces man who was really f***** up emotionally

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posted October 01, 2013 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh no, don't misundestand me, please!! He's not mean at all, he's just jerkish, you know... posturing as a troglodyte... I've glimpsed his more emotional side and it's very much what you'd expect from a pisces.

Just his overall posturing and in your face attitude that annoys and baffles me.

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posted October 01, 2013 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
Oh no, don't misundestand me, please!! He's not mean at all, he's just jerkish, you know... posturing as a troglodyte... I've glimpsed his more emotional side and it's very much what you'd expect from a pisces.

Just his overall posturing and in your face attitude that annoys and baffles me.


Well then it must be something to do with his ascendant or aspect to his sun, very interesting though that it can make such a huge difference

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posted October 01, 2013 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DialecticLady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's more an aries trait too. Maybe aries rising, sun in 1th, mars in 1th...

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posted October 02, 2013 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DialecticLady:
I think it's more an aries trait too. Maybe aries rising, sun in 1th, mars in 1th...

I think it's the Rising... but if I tweak in the window frame he gave me (born in the morning), he's got Mars and Jupiter in the 1st house.

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"Mars in the 1st House

Your reactions to new situations are immediate and pressing. You are an active, energetic, dynamic, enterprising, and possibly even forceful or aggressive person. You tend to begin new endeavors with gusto, although follow-through is not necessarily indicated by this position alone. Some of you might be rash, inconsiderate, or overly assertive. You can be fiercely independent, and you are usually direct and straightforward. Spontaneity is extremely important to you. Some of you might stir up trouble, whether consciously or unconsciously, when you are bored."
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/marsinhouses.html


That does sum up the vibe he puts off, so I think you're also onto something here, DL...

Also this:

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Taurus Mars is very reliable and dependable. They are practical and have great endurance. They can be obstinate, which can be frustrating to everyone around them. This can be taken to a very immature level at times. They like to build things, cultivate an art or enjoy pleasures of the senses. They can get jealous, as they see their partner as belonging only to them. Possession is important to them.

Taurus Mars is passionate and grounded. They project an air of confidence. Their honesty gives them great integrity. They excel in anything that requires dedication and discipline.

In a relationship, Mars in Taurus is rather conventional and straightforward. They are emotionally stable and loyal to the end. They are into gratification, both their own and their partner's. They like their creature comforts, and bring that into their relationships. Physical relations are very important to Taurus Mars. They don't complicate things with fantasy, they just take their time. Foreplay was invented by Mars in Taurus. They can be very jealous if they imagine someone else is interested in their partner. They have a very difficult time if denied sex for any length of time… they see it as necessary as breathing or eating, which they also enjoy to the utmost. They need a partner who is willing to relax and enjoy.

Mars in Taurus prefers to go with the flow rather than fight the current.
]http://www.alwaysastrology.com/mars-in-taurus.html


Sounds pretty spot on, too. We don't have a sexual relationship, but since he knows me for a looooong time and is friends with my family members, he sometimes gets possessive and wants me to do what he thinks is best for me and who/if I'm seeing someone, so I don't "end up hurting myself". He shows his caring in a very strange way, me thinks.

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posted October 03, 2013 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brendan34     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisces can be very deceptive at times because they change so much and are escapist.
I think a Pisces young man, not too comfortable in his skin, may act out this way to cover up his natural softness. As a Pisces male, I am sure it can be hard for some to accept their inherent feminine/artistic/sensitive energy so they cover it up with a forced "masculinity." As a person gets older, they realize they don't need the front as much hopefully.

Pisces are overly sensitive and can soak up their environment, and the feelings in them, and this makes some try to over compensate.

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posted October 03, 2013 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stardancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hippiechick is right, Pisceans are a compendium of the twelve signs.
As a Pisces myself (girl, though), I can totally identify with the manipulative-ness, the "everything is about me", and it's very hard for people to surprise me because I usually guess or figure it out beforehand from observing them.
I think it's a basic trait of Pisceans that's not given my attention. Most attention is given to our caring, emotional natures. Ooh la la

Also, I know a few Pisces men. A couple of them act kind of jock-ish and swaggering like yours does, but the other one is very...Neptunian, in the worst sense (manipulation). He was a bad news guy.

I also know a girl who is Pisces, who acts totally Aries.

So, what I think is, as a few other people have said above I believe, that as Pisces is a mutable water sign, we're able to go among the signs and reflect the air or persona we're most comfortable in. Keep in mind, we are being ourselves, (we're all twelve signs) we're just magnifying that portion or that sign.

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posted October 03, 2013 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brendan34:
Pisces can be very deceptive at times because they change so much and are escapist.
I think a Pisces young man, not too comfortable in his skin, may act out this way to cover up his natural softness. As a Pisces male, I am sure it can be hard for some to accept their inherent feminine/artistic/sensitive energy so they cover it up with a forced "masculinity." As a person gets older, they realize they don't need the front as much hopefully.

Pisces are overly sensitive and can soak up their environment, and the feelings in them, and this makes some try to over compensate.


That's interesting... Reflecting on his behaviour on all these years, he has indeed toned down his more agressive vibe. Still a bit more than I'd expect out of a pisces, but maybe that's just his ASC coming through.

Were you in touch with your feelings as a young man, as in, aware of what they meant? I myself have few emotional signs, so I've a hard time pinpointing what I want/feel, and that's something that's always intrigued me, especially because society dictates that "men don't feel, they act" and such nonsense... Would you rebel against a feeling that you felt wouldn't be accepted by your peers?

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posted October 03, 2013 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stardancer:
Hippiechick is right, Pisceans are a compendium of the twelve signs.
As a Pisces myself (girl, though), I can totally identify with the manipulative-ness, the "everything is about me", and it's very hard for people to surprise me because I usually guess or figure it out beforehand from observing them.
I think it's a basic trait of Pisceans that's not given my attention. Most attention is given to our caring, emotional natures. Ooh la la

Also, I know a few Pisces men. A couple of them act kind of jock-ish and swaggering like yours does, but the other one is very...Neptunian, in the worst sense (manipulation). He was a bad news guy.

I also know a girl who is Pisces, who acts totally Aries.

So, what I think is, as a few other people have said above I believe, that as Pisces is a mutable water sign, we're able to go among the signs and reflect the air or persona we're most comfortable in. Keep in mind, we are being ourselves, (we're all twelve signs) we're just magnifying that portion or that sign.


Star, when someone does surprise, are they usually Virgos? There are some few fundamental things about me that seem to really surprise him, even after nine years of friendship... Like, my moral compass in my work. We're both lawyers and we were working on a case, and he suggested stretching the truth so we'd have a higher chance of winning the thing, but I was like "no, I'd rather work harder on the legal and argumentative points than do that". He was very surprised about it, and I think I/it upset him.

But you all are caring and emotional, and it's actually refreshing to see it for a skeptic like me.

Hm... so your reflecting other signs is not really a deception, but more like a way to express and assert yourselves in the daily life? Do you use it to your benefit or for fun, manipulating friends?

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posted October 03, 2013 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
He's a pisces (1st decan) that acts NOTHING like a pisces. He's boastful, for one. He's very agressive in his approach (not violent, just very goal-oriented).

Was he born close to the Aqua Pisces Cusp, because these people can have a serious chip on their shoulders (the usual disclaimer, they might also be sweet as honey...Eckhart Tolle was born near this cusp for example.)

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
He's a bit manipulative (he wants what he wants when he wants it). He's a competitive freak (always wants to be first or better, especially if I'm in the picture). He's a guy's guy, likes sport, sweating, swearing and being popular (your typical high school jock). He also loves - let me emphasize, [b]LOVES - attention. [/b]

So is he a Rat?

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
He's very intrusive and stalks any and every social network you might have (he actually hacked into my email account when we were younger - around 18, we're both 25 right now; and I'm certain he'd do it again, given the chance).

Hmmm...2013 - 25 = 1988...Dragon. Well that's another attention seeker.

Aquarius Mercury can be belligerent, and I should know since I am one.

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posted October 03, 2013 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And since we are so mutable and the compilation of all 12, we can easisly take on traits of our native planets, especially when activated by a heavy transit.

I am terribly Aquarian, with a Scorpio asc and a Taurus moon and act all 3 parts in a continum of stages, flux and flow.

It is hard to explain, like my true Pisces soul is always in the background, but all of these other traits are superimposed and I become them given different factors.

early morning ramblings....

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posted October 03, 2013 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whats his d.o.b? Hes probably an Aries , check the right dates for 13 signs/ sidereal

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posted October 03, 2013 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Was he born close to the Aqua Pisces Cusp, because these people can have a serious chip on their shoulders (the usual disclaimer, they might also be sweet as honey...Eckhart Tolle was born near this cusp for example.)

YES, he's a 3º Pisces. I'm also born in a cusp (Virgo/Libra), so I get what you mean about having this conflictual behaviour. In my case, I don't care about other people's appearance, but I'm always worried about how other people see me (See, mine is the cusp of beauty ).

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Hmmm...2013 - 25 = 1988...Dragon. Well that's another attention seeker.

Actually, he's a Snake. I'm 5 months older than him, so he was born in 89.

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Aquarius Mercury can be belligerent, and I should know since I am one.

I'm an Aqua Moon and the only time I'm belligerent is when people try to indoctrinate me or force something on me... Is your thought process detached from your feelings? Or can you do it consciously?

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posted October 03, 2013 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Whats his d.o.b? Hes probably an Aries , check the right dates for 13 signs/ sidereal

PlutoFish, I've no idea how to do this without his birth time... He said he doesn't know, but that he thought it was in the morning. I went through the Rising possibilities, and Aries was the one that spoke to me. Especially this:

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People with Ascendant in Aries are oriented towards success; they want to make an impression everywhere and to be someone important. They want to satisfy their ambitions at any cost and unfortunately sometimes disregard the feelings of others. Do not do it from bad will but follow a certain objective and may forget that others are involved.

It does sound like him, yes.

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posted October 03, 2013 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hippichick:
And since we are so mutable and the compilation of all 12, we can easisly take on traits of our native planets, especially when activated by a heavy transit.

I am terribly Aquarian, with a Scorpio asc and a Taurus moon and act all 3 parts in a continum of stages, flux and flow.

It is hard to explain, like my true Pisces soul is always in the background, but all of these other traits are superimposed and I become them given different factors.

early morning ramblings....


No no, I'm starting to understand... You guys act these different ways but feel like a pisces... right?

Isn't that a bit difficult to live with, since people perceive you one way when you're usually the opposite?

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posted October 03, 2013 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've always thought Pisces guys act more Arian and Arian guys more Piscean. *Shrug.* Those descriptions sure need to be updated...

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