posted October 03, 2013 09:31 PM            

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ranging from 10-14 degrees

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posted October 03, 2013 09:46 PM            

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REVOLUTION21: I feel you. <3

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posted October 03, 2013 10:26 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
No you don't!! You have tight orbs. She has 14 degree orbs.

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posted October 03, 2013 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
No you don't!! You have tight orbs. She has 14 degree orbs.

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posted October 03, 2013 11:22 PM            

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Is Saturn actually unaspected if you take my methodology?[/B]

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Saturn forms a 4 degree square with jupiter, this is the tightest saturn aspect i have. But i have sun, mercury,mars and jupiter in sagittarius, so its important. I also have saturn in the fifth house.

posted October 03, 2013 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Traditionally sun and moon can pick up 10 degrees orbs but after that two planets are squaring by signs not degrees.
So the influence is less.

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posted October 04, 2013 02:16 AM            

Asc 17 Virgo
Dsc 17 Pisces
MC 18 Gemini
IC 18 Sagittarius

I read this as Saturn crucified on my mutable cross.

posted October 04, 2013 02:41 AM              

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Originally posted by DialecticLady:
Sure But you can still feel it,isn't?

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posted October 04, 2013 02:48 AM            

A 14 degree orb is most likely not valid.

But all in all, yes, it's possible to overcome Saturn squares - they're not all bad. I have Saturn square Sun exact, Saturn square Venus 5 degrees, Saturn square Mercury 7 degrees (and i'm not even counting it normally!) - and Saturn is also in my 5th house. Yes, i've been struggling with my self-worth in teen years, despite the fact that there was nothing objective why i should criticize myself and feel bad. I'm a completely different person now, since i've been able to tap into my lucky aspects like Venus&Mercury trine Mars exact, sextile Moon and Jupiter, etc.

And i know people who are achieved much in life, being cheery and fun, yet they also had struggles that made them only stronger. Saturn square Sun aspect makes you fight for what you desire. It doesn't offer you an easy life, but puts obstacles in your way. But if you do continue to push and go forward, then you are going to be rewarded - 2 times Olympic Champion of BMX has this. And he's handsome like hell, btw as well.

posted October 04, 2013 03:38 AM            

No, you can't "overcome" saturn squares. There will always be times when you will feel rejected, limited, criticized, inadequete in the area of life indicated by the planet that squares saturn. You will subconciously attract circumstances and people into your life that ensure that this will happen till the day you die. This is a recipe for bitterness, self-pity, crippling self-consiousness, feelings of chronic unworthiness and guilt, defensiveness and rage agains the unfairness of life, is it not???

Hmm. Maybe. That's why so many people with Saturn squares are twisted up inside. But .. there is another way when you remember that "you" are not your experiences, your memories, your thoughts or your instinctive emotional reactions to outside influences. "You' are in fact the being that chooses how to respond to these. From this perspective "you" can acknowledge the truth and reality of your Saturn pain, but at the same time not have a knee jerk reaction to it. Instead ask yourself what is the real reason for your pain? Is it because you believe that you *are* what external circumstances / people are judging you to be? i.e. unworthy, guilty, inadequate? If this is the case, try to understand why they need/want/cause you to feel that way. What is their payoff for causing your pain? The answers to this question can be quite illuminating. At the same time, try to remember that you - like them - are not perfect in your human form, but the real you (your higher self) resides in a place of gentle acceptance and wholeness and therefore is capable of guiding you towards responding to your saturn experiences with kindness, understanding and compassion towards yourself and others.

posted October 04, 2013 03:45 AM            

and I have saturn square jupiter (2 degrees) and saturn opposition jupiter direct too!

posted October 04, 2013 06:40 AM            

I do have moments of self-consciousness, and sometimes I'll stop myself doing something for fear of rejection or abandonment. Luckily my Moon either cancels out a lot of things or just helps me overcome them. I have Sun trine Jupiter in a wide orb (7º) but my Sun trines my Moon tightly (2º). Moon also trines Jupiter widely (6º), but considering that I have an Aqua Moon, I'm less predisposed to care what other people think of me and to be more emotionally detached.

I still fret about how I present myself to others and what they'll think of me, or even if they'll stay for the long run (I've a lot of come-and-go friends). That is my gut reaction. But I also have other things going on in my chart, so I'm able to work around it.

posted October 04, 2013 08:38 AM            

0 Leo Saturn
6 Scorpio Uranus
5 Aquarius Mercury

I think Saturn stabilizes what would otherwise be a WILD Mercury-Uranus combo. Before just blurting out whatever crazy stuff comes to mind, Saturn says, "Wait. Analyze. Think it over."

That's helpful.