posted October 05, 2013 11:07 PM            

My dad passed away when i was age two .. he had a history of drugs problems & spiritual/paranormal phenomenon , all things you would relate with the 12th house + Scorpio..

I have my Sun (father) in my 12th house (hidden/lost) in a Scorpio stellium . ... which has given me alot of things with either going to deep into reality(fantasy) 12th house areas, however you can really describe what the 12th house is ....

My mother has been my guiding figure through my life - she is my source of wellbeing
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I have the Moon/neptune conjunction in my first house (sagittarius-Rising) ... giving my sense of self the instinctive nurturting philosophical spirutal dreamy sense that this aspect configures which closely intertwines ...

I feel as though my 12th house tries to knock down my first house for not being powerful enough .. and my first house knocks my 12th house for bad morals & ethics ... i feel this could entertwined deeply with my dad beating my mom early on in their relationship (because of his drug abuse) and that my mum cared for him and didnt know why he had to be so dark/deep

I have always neglected my father in life from knowing his history with my mum and accepted my mother as my only source of self ... and up until now i have 'denied my scorpio 12th stellium' from being brought into reality, and it feels as though it is hidden (dad)and that i have a choice in life as wether to keep my mum as my guide and my father as the hidden one or as to have my father as the controller of my soft philosophical instinctive self (which again ties in) and accept my father ... Sun .. but then even now i have a deep realization that what if my dad was ment to pass away, so that my Sun is purposely lost to me (12th house) and my Mother (1st house Sagittarius Moon/Neptune conjunction) is the key role for my life .... typing this brings thoughts into my head saying Fate & Destiny ...

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posted October 05, 2013 11:49 PM            

i dig it.

ah, but i do think that accepting your father is important, because without that you'd be denying yourself-- either way, his actions have an unconscious impact on yours, but you probably already know this.

i'm a scorp sun too, and have a stellium in 8th house aqua that squares my scorp stellium in the 5th.

i used to really idolize my dad, but he actually has quite a shady past: drunk driver (burned one of his cars down actually, but wasn't drunk then), hypocritical (sun sq. jupiter), and i think used to have an abusive relationship with my mom, but they're very hush-hush about it. i only managed to pry the info out.

mom's a whole other story, but either way i'm still trying to cope

anyways, hoping the best for you

oh, and i'm so pumped for age of aqua, but we might just lose our humanity in the process..

posted October 06, 2013 05:54 AM            

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I have always neglected my father in life from knowing his history with my mum and accepted my mother as my only source of self ... and up until now i have 'denied my scorpio 12th stellium' from being brought into reality, and it feels as though it is hidden (dad)and that i have a choice in life as wether to keep my mum as my guide and my father as the hidden one or as to have my father as the controller of my soft philosophical instinctive self (which again ties in) and accept my father ... Sun .. but then even now i have a deep realization that what if my dad was ment to pass away, so that my Sun is purposely lost to me (12th house) and my Mother (1st house Sagittarius Moon/Neptune conjunction) is the key role for my life .... typing this brings thoughts into my head saying Fate & Destiny ...

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Bingo. You said what I was going to say. The first house is obvious and it is you. The 12th house is where we go to hide and recuperate and relax, thinking no one will see when you start accessing stuff privately or keeping it away from yourself and others. Well you can see it and so can everyone else.

I said on another post that I don't think the Sun represents your father but the man you seek (as in life partner) and somehow you may see your father somehow as a life partner in this "mess", that you are "married" to him in this mess. He is now hidden from you as he is not here on this planet and just a memory at most - that what the 12th may mean in your life. Often the dead come up as the 12th in horary.

I'm curious to see what is in your stellium in the 12th and where is your NN and 4th house ruler and what is in your fourth. I believe that the 4th and its ruler is the key to what is going on.

posted October 06, 2013 08:11 AM            

I have Dejanira conj Child. This is one of the hardest aspects in the chart. Dejanira conj Moon is the single hardest aspect, maybe.

It seems to really fragment people into a Borderline Personality.

Deja conj Child is a few steps down from it but both are a lot of abuse.

I wonder was this GOING to happen to me on the day I took my first breath because it was in the chart.

I would have to say yes.

I think the chart is one's personal map from God.

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posted October 06, 2013 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
Thank you everyone

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You have such a sweet, wonderful energy. You just need to channel it the right way,Friend.

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posted October 06, 2013 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Age of Aquarius ain't no religious age, that's all Pisces,

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posted October 06, 2013 10:12 AM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Bingo. You said what I was going to say. The first house is obvious and it is you. The 12th house is where we go to hide and recuperate and relax, thinking no one will see when you start accessing stuff privately or keeping it away from yourself and others. Well you can see it and so can everyone else.

I said on another post that I don't think the Sun represents your father but the man you seek (as in life partner) and somehow you may see your father somehow as a life partner in this "mess", that you are "married" to him in this mess. He is now hidden from you as he is not here on this planet and just a memory at most - that what the 12th may mean in your life. Often the dead come up as the 12th in horary.

I'm curious to see what is in your stellium in the 12th and where is your NN and 4th house ruler and what is in your fourth. I believe that the 4th and its ruler is the key to what is going on.

Also, came back to add that are you Pisces IC? If so, that might explain any confusion you feel about your father. In modern rulership, Pisces as you know is ruled by Neptune and your Neptune is conjunct your Moon. So, your dad is there in the first house with Moon. Moon can mean mum or your heritage. Either you see mum as she fused with your dad and you have purposefully kept that for yourself as it falls in the first (somewhat internalised it). Alternatively, it can be a confusion in your roots and understanding them, particularly from father.

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Thankyou, that is very true ...i feel as if theirs a wholenother world inside me with the 12th + 1st

posted October 06, 2013 10:15 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Hi PlutoFish... I was just doing a quick check of LL today. Just want to say hello to you. You sound like your in a super deep space, and I've been like that too in the past few weeks.

Didn't want you to feel "all alone" here right now.... So hello to you.

I also have Scorpio... 11th AND 12th House (Western)... with Sag rising. My Sun is alone and unconnected to anything, from just below the Desc. (Have semisquare to Uranus, Sesquiquad to Neptune-rx 10). My father was "there" but no connection with me (he preferred boys). My mother was abusive and did everything she could to undermine "who" *I* am.

So I'm going to hurry and submit this so you see it..... I've got Saturn-rx in 11th.

Just didn't want you to feel alone.... I'm really impressed how you let your chart "talk" to you. I do astrology like that too.... Allow the chart to become alive and speak.

I've gotta go..... But Just want you to feel that someone reads this, and cares very much about what you're saying~!

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posted October 06, 2013 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Aww I hear you and I ask these questions all the time. I will make it personal to me, rather than intrude on your situation.

I have Dejanira conj Child. This is one of the hardest aspects in the chart. Dejanira conj Moon is the single hardest aspect, maybe.

It seems to really fragment people into a Borderline Personality.

Deja conj Child is a few steps down from it but both are a lot of abuse.

I wonder was this GOING to happen to me on the day I took my first breath because it was in the chart.

I would have to say yes.

I think the chart is one's personal map from God.

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posted October 06, 2013 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

You have such a sweet, wonderful energy. You just need to channel it the right way,Friend.

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posted October 06, 2013 10:34 AM            

Goes nicely with Plutos transformation also

posted October 06, 2013 10:54 AM            

I feel a kinship with you. That is why D

Dejanira is the victim. She is rapes and lies down and takes it.

Hence, the Moon conj Deja is very personal and very deep. I have seen Borderline PD in most of all the charts I have done with this and sexual abuse in all of them, I think.

Child conj Deja is a lighter version of the above.

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posted October 06, 2013 03:50 PM            

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Plutofish - where is your Uranus?

Jupiter in the 12th can also act as guardian angel; closer to the ASC, the better.

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