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Topic: Mars/Saturn devil aspects in synastry. Do I have to accept them through life?
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Astrid
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posted October 19, 2013 02:10 AM
  
I recently discovered that almost everyone around me during the last year have Saturn in hard aspect to my Mars (probably most people before that too). That means they are all born in 7-year intervalls. Really wierd don't you think? I call to make an appointment somewhere I have never been and to the meeting always comes someone born like in 1985/1978/1971/1965... etc. And they make sure to block my efforts.Someone i dated had it as a sextile from his Saturn to my Mars, but he had Saturn/Pluto conjunction in Natal and that conjunction was opposite to a Mars/Mercury conjunction. Synastry between us seemed perfect. Tons of trines and sextiles. Met the guy a few times, and then he was gone... And I can only read in synastry that he should had been the nicest person to me and probably the love of my life...
I put our synastry up now: http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae33/AstAstro/Synastry _zps12989009.gif But that's astrology, right? If your Natal says you are going to feel unloved and abused all your life, then abusive people are the once you will be surrounded with? Does this mean that one just has to accept that state of life? I mean, if I had always met guys who are violent towards me - does that mean that I will have to accept that and let them hit me all the time, or try liking to live alone all my life? IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted October 19, 2013 04:07 AM
Wow, what a hard question. I will try to help. Firstly, are you familiar with the concept of radical acceptance? This means the more you try to resist something unpleasant, the more you end up engaging with it on its own terms. Conversely, when you accept the presence of that which is causing you suffering without trying to mentally deny it or scream "unfair", you create a kind of portal of truth which allows you to gain the insight you need to turn things around and engage on your terms. With hard Saturn.... Yes, you may be dealing with the experience of abuse for whatever reason, but does this mean you have to be a victim? Could it be that sometimes you are not a victim, but just perceive yourself to be one? For example, creating expectations from another person and then feeling angry and abused because they failed to live up to this? Or are you dealing with someone who is mentally unstable, or is the truth of the matter that you are projecting some unowned part of yourself onto others instead of integrating it? By engaging with the truth, an amazing thing happens because you gradually change from victim to master. Yes, you may still have to deal with "saturn issues" all your life, but not necessarily as a victim of them, but as a master of them. It is a long slog and you have to be unafraid to face some things which are hard to accept about youself and others, but ultimately those saturn squares will add to your soul growth like nothing else can. Bear in mind always that you are not your natal chart or your circumstances or your body or your mind or your emotions or even your personality......... YOU are the being that manages all this. IP: Logged |
next to neptune
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Registered: Aug 2013
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posted October 19, 2013 05:05 AM
I'm one of those who thinks hard aspects between mars and pluto is one of the most terrible aspect you can have, if not THE most terrible... it's always such a destroying aspect, especially when taurus is involved and it is here in his chart...I really just think you were very unlucky and you havn't found out how to solve your hard saturn aspects yet... It could be true with the oppositions that you run into situations that creates tension/conflict/drama around you that you didn't start and had nothing to do with... but you have to act on it and make these people respect you or fear you - not love or like you. You don't owe people anything, but you have to stand up for yourself if people treat you unfair
With many oppositions/squares in the natal chart you can't avoid conflicts in your life, they are going to be there no matter what, so the only thing you can do is to train your attitude towards them and fight them, so one day they will pass easier
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Odette
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posted October 19, 2013 05:39 AM
He's an Aries with Taurus Mars conj Mercury.... He's a prick to everyone.. dw - It's not you. It's not your synastry. It's just him.
These Aries/Taurus influenced men are not made for relationships. They live their lives with their heads up their own booties... IP: Logged |
Astrid
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posted October 19, 2013 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Wow, what a hard question. I will try to help. Firstly, are you familiar with the concept of radical acceptance? This means the more you try to resist something unpleasant, the more you end up engaging with it on its own terms. Conversely, when you accept the presence of that which is causing you suffering without trying to mentally deny it or scream "unfair", you create a kind of portal of truth which allows you to gain the insight you need to turn things around and engage on your terms. With hard Saturn.... Yes, you may be dealing with the experience of abuse for whatever reason, but does this mean you have to be a victim? Could it be that sometimes you are not a victim, but just perceive yourself to be one? For example, creating expectations from another person and then feeling angry and abused because they failed to live up to this? Or are you dealing with someone who is mentally unstable, or is the truth of the matter that you are projecting some unowned part of yourself onto others instead of integrating it? By engaging with the truth, an amazing thing happens because you gradually change from victim to master. Yes, you may still have to deal with "saturn issues" all your life, but not necessarily as a victim of them, but as a master of them. It is a long slog and you have to be unafraid to face some things which are hard to accept about youself and others, but ultimately those saturn squares will add to your soul growth like nothing else can. Bear in mind always that you are not your natal chart or your circumstances or your body or your mind or your emotions or even your personality......... YOU are the being that manages all this.
Thank you so much for replying. And a really good well explained reply as well. I think I understand what you mean. i will still meet those kind of terrible people, but I might be able to protect myself from being hurt. But will I be able to get my will through? Cause it doesn't matter how well protected my feelings are if I wont get what I need anyway.
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Astrid
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posted October 19, 2013 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
He's an Aries with Taurus Mars conj Mercury.... He's a prick to everyone.. dw - It's not you. It's not your synastry. It's just him.
These Aries/Taurus influenced men are not made for relationships. They live their lives with their heads up their own booties...
Thank you! I think you are right. I think he is crap! But it still hurts that he "could had been the love of my life" since the synastry and composite really looks good. Never had that good synastry before. Such unluck!
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Astrid
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posted October 19, 2013 06:07 AM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I'm one of those who thinks hard aspects between mars and pluto is one of the most terrible aspect you can have, if not THE most terrible... it's always such a destroying aspect, especially when taurus is involved and it is here in his chart...I really just think you were very unlucky and you havn't found out how to solve your hard saturn aspects yet... It could be true with the oppositions that you run into situations that creates tension/conflict/drama around you that you didn't start and had nothing to do with... but you have to act on it and make these people respect you or fear you - not love or like you. You don't owe people anything, but you have to stand up for yourself if people treat you unfair
With many oppositions/squares in the natal chart you can't avoid conflicts in your life, they are going to be there no matter what, so the only thing you can do is to train your attitude towards them and fight them, so one day they will pass easier
Thanx a lot for your response. I don't know if you read my topic as if I too have Mars/Saturn in natal? I don't. But everyone around me seem to have it. I have thought that I owe people nothing nowadays. I am tired of being used and bullied. So I have started turning my back on people no matter how much they say they like me, want me or need me. If they do not deliver the personalities I need in my life, then i might as well be alone. But Im not sure I was right making that desicion now.. cause it has left me completely alone. But at the same time I have no urge to have them back in my life.
Thank you for your reply. It gives me comfort knowing that Mars/Saturn is considered to be just as much hell as I feel it is. I will remember you told me to make them fear me. I havn't been brave enough to actually make myself someone to fear before. I have only done that after they have become abusive or evil. I need to change my whole attitude from being "the nicest person you know" to become "the one you do not dear stand in the way for". But at the same time... how will I find life to be worth living if I do? My whole life is about helping, being nice and being there for those who need me. IP: Logged |
next to neptune
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posted October 19, 2013 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by Astrid:
Thanx a lot for your response. I don't know if you read my topic as if I too have Mars/Saturn in natal? I don't. But everyone around me seem to have it. I have thought that I owe people nothing nowadays. I am tired of being used and bullied. So I have started turning my back on people no matter how much they say they like me, want me or need me. If they do not deliver the personalities I need in my life, then i might as well be alone. But Im not sure I was right making that desicion now.. cause it has left me completely alone. But at the same time I have no urge to have them back in my life. Thank you for your reply. It gives me comfort knowing that Mars/Saturn is considered to be just as much hell as I feel it is. I will remember you told me to make them fear me. I havn't been brave enough to actually make myself someone to fear before. I have only done that after they have become abusive or evil. I need to change my whole attitude from being "the nicest person you know" to become "the one you do not dear stand in the way for". But at the same time... how will I find life to be worth living if I do? My whole life is about helping, being nice and being there for those who need me.
But you do have moon/saturn and sun/saturn aspect? Well I think many people with these saturn aspects say exactly like you do now..."I expect everyone I meet to be just as evil, cause that is life, it is cruel and then you die" - watch out for that kind of attitude...there is many nice people out there, but they take a long time to find and make
People with saturn in aspect with personal planets can become a bit too sceptical of life itself and people around them, so they might end up rejecting those people who are actally nice... and they can project these feelings towards people so they can nothing else but disappoint them, because they demand too much from people...
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Kerosene
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posted October 19, 2013 07:01 AM
OH you have cancer ascendant too!
Cancer risings can be really aggressive but people try to walk all over them because they seem so gentle.Not to mentioned your 7th house is Capricorn.
Ruled by saturn and often you see the world as cold/cruel. IP: Logged |
Astrid
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posted October 19, 2013 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
OH you have cancer ascendant too!
Cancer risings can be really aggressive but people try to walk all over them because they seem so gentle.Not to mentioned your 7th house is Capricorn.
Ruled by saturn and often you see the world as cold/cruel.
The world seem to be only cold around me. i am too nice some say. And I seem fragile and easy to use because of it. They say that makes evil people come to me.
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Astrid
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posted October 19, 2013 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
But you do have moon/saturn and sun/saturn aspect? Well I think many people with these saturn aspects say exactly like you do now..."I expect everyone I meet to be just as evil, cause that is life, it is cruel and then you die" - watch out for that kind of attitude...there is many nice people out there, but they take a long time to find and make
People with saturn in aspect with personal planets can become a bit too sceptical of life itself and people around them, so they might end up rejecting those people who are actally nice... and they can project these feelings towards people so they can nothing else but disappoint them, because they demand too much from people...
Where did you see me say: "I expect everyone I meet to be just as evil, cause that is life, it is cruel and then you die"?Didn't I say the opposit?
Didn't I say that I have always lived life thinking the opposite - meaning that I always saw people as nice before until they proved not to be, and that now I have to try to change?
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AriesLilith
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posted October 19, 2013 09:16 AM
Hi, a nice synastry is more about nice compatibility rather than 2 people being nice with each other. Let' imagine things this way: you are both giant circuit boards with your own energies that can be positive or negative, and synastry shows how two giant circuit boards are compatible - so the more compatible you both are, the more you connect and energies between you both flows well and mesh well together. Now here's the trick: if both of your energies are perfectly positive, then the energy between the boards would flow heavenly in bliss. But what if there are negative energies in you or him? If anyone of you carry personal issues, have lessons to overcome, your energies carries negativity - this can be seen as negative manifestations of the traits of our planets. Yup, negative aspects in personal charts are not necessarily bad, and when we master the conflicting issues, the negative aspects can actually manifest positively. So now imagine that you have two giant circuit boards connecting perfectly with each other - the energies will flow well despite them being negative or positive. In other words, if one or both ever hurts each other, the wounding will be more perfectly made on each other. It's like they "knew" where to wound.
As for Saturn/Mars hard aspects in synastry, it can work out if both sides takes effort to do so. The more people mature and get over their own issues, the easier they can find ways to work the incompatibilities together as a team. My husband and I have this aspect, and many times I hated his Saturn, but we made lots of progress. 
As for attracting abusive people, we all attract people with certain patterns in some way, and if you notice that you are indeed attracting abusive people, then it's important to figure out why you might be ding so. Of course, it's easier said than done, and it's so hard for the one "who is inside the box" to figure it out (it might be easier for outsiders to see the pattern), but try to figure out if there are some insecurities and lack of self confidence that might drive you to attract these abusive people. Also, it's important to see if you are allowing yourself to put up and forgive their stuffs, even if you might not be fully conscious about it. If so then you must work on understanding that you must not put up with any lack of respect - this is easy to understand logically, but it is your heart that must understand it.
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Taineberry
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posted October 19, 2013 09:26 AM
Never try to change what is kind and good about yourself, or try to harden yourself into being cruel or lonely as a form of self protection. Rather understand there are hard people out there who may seek to reject you, use you or hurt you not because there is anything wrong with you but because they are struggling with their own issues and dealing with them on an ego level which always seeks to have the upper hand, the control and "to win". Try to see this clearly and take a step back from your emotional turmoil when you find youself caught up in this game. Say to yourself "Ah, I see here that this person is hurting me. I need cut the emotional tie, but I wonder why?" Sometimes it is because they are living with fears and prejudices which they externalize by lashing out or blocking or controlling. These people may be successful on a worldly level, but they will remain poor in spirit until they are able to understand the basis of their illusions. You must let them go if they cannot flow alongside you, no matter who they are and how much you have invested in them emotionally in the past. It's ok, you can still love them without having to be entangled with them. It is better if you can remove yourself physically from their sphere of influence, but if you can't, then remove yourself emotionally and make yourself impervious to any more games.You cant avoid people like this touching your life. But you can anticipate them by changing the way you approach your relationships. Accept the risk, but take it anyway... Take it slow, knowing full well that you "might" hit the wall, but if you do that is ok as you are still intact as a loving, open person who is whole enough to know when to let go and move on in another direction with trust in universe - because this is in effect what the universe is telling you to do when you hit a block. Be creative. IP: Logged |
Astrid
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posted October 21, 2013 03:19 AM
I found this text:
"Mars is the Lord of War. It represents how a person executes a plan. Pluto is the Lord of the Underworld. It represents where a person will behave obsessively. Contacts between the two planets have a notorious reputation in astrological circles. Michelle at AstroFix.net calls Mars/Pluto aspects “Killer Instincts” while astrologer Adrian Ross Duncan associates them with the theme of “Power and Powerlessness:. . . these people often get entangled with faceless, all-powerful authorities such as corporations, unions, the police, and tax authorities, as if their worst nightmares regarding powerlessness are fated to come true . . ."
------- Since I have Mars square Pluto I guess that is what makes all those having their Saturn square or opposite my Mars being the once I am forced to mix with. My natal chart is making sure I will feel powerlessness. IP: Logged | |
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