posted October 20, 2013 05:58 PM            

I'm an Aries, Capricorn, Gemini, Taurus, Scorpio, Virgo, Pisces person.

Aries: I can think of three Aries-influenced people I know. I find one to be really simple, and secretly full of himself. He has Sagittarius rising. The other is a Leo with Aries rising, and the other is a girl Aries with Sagittarius rising, OH! And one more. Aries with Cancer rising. Everyone (myself included - Gemini rising) except the Leo SUN, is nuts. I mean, just the way they think everything done is done FOR them, because of them, TO them. Very egocentric, indeed. Other than that pretty friendly (except the Cancer rising one, she is off playing a 2013 version of Lucille Ball, literally. Got married to a Londoner after knowing him, online, for five months. Has great tattoos and cute clothes and nobody knows where she gets the funds for it since she just had a baby and is/was a single mother.)

Taurus: I know five Taurus influenced people (again, myself included). The guys are very touch and go, indecisive, but cocky which throws me off. If you're going to be cocky, I expect follow through. They don't like confrontation either and seem openly sensitive (instead of say Leos or something who pretend to be macho but are very sensitive to other's opinions about them). They both have a shy look going on in some form or another. The two Taurus women I know are big talkers, bossy, organized and even a little arrogant about their way of doing things. All three of us have rounded noses too, I noticed. Like feminine Santa Claus noses.

Geminis: I can think of three Geminis I know. I actually don't come by them very often. Also very touch and go people but the intervals are longer than Taurus. They usually only come around when they need something. They're all very seemingly positive people, and yet I know they are very emotional creatures. One loved telling tall stories of his life although he grew up in a small town. VERY smooth at it! Also very soft spoken people, they're not loud and abrasive like Aries or Taurus could be. Vary in looks. I can see how the females are perceived to come off as "fake," but I think they are cerebral beings who understand sympathy is a required skill in order to associate with people, so they fake sympathy a lot when they really don't understand what it feels like. Not that they don't CARE but they are rarely ever actually FEELING what they portray, unless you catch them when they're genuinely upset.

Cancer: Cancers are very fun people to be around, and good at being comfortable with nurturing others (Gemini isn't comfortable playing "Mom," hence the fakeness! But anyway...) They like their beer, their naps, and their mothers. I'm so serious. I've never seen a Cancer that didn't gravitate towards beer, and some I don't even live by or see often but I see their drinking habits via Facebook. It's like there's a magnet in their hand. They socialize easily and blend in very well but whine a lot, pity themselves, and I've noticed think about their own emotions first before others. They like to talk too but their stories are never as interesting when told, yet they go on about it forever! Re-explaining easy details everyone already gets, like OMG shoot me! These little "old lady" habits make them endearing though.

Leos: I will admit in the past I didn't get along with Leos and their fickle temperament, but I've come a long way! They truly are warm people but I used to mistake this warmth as clinginess or like they were smothering me and wanted to be with me all the time when that isn't the case at all. They are just natural at putting people at ease. They worry a lot about other people, especially you if you are near and dear to their hearts. This is why they give you unsolicited directions on how to live your life a lot of the time. I've noticed some Leos have chaotic lives but like to present a scene that everything is running smoothly, or the other way around but either way the stereotype that they are concerned with image is not that far from the truth. Oh, and they have to win arguments. Aries LIKES to win arguments but if they're wrong, they know it and will slink away in defeat. Leos will not stop until they've either put you in your place or caught your juggular or both. Once you get them mad they can be antagonistic.

Virgos: Who's there? Virgos don't have any presence. They are like ghosts at a party, but love to help people and are very empathetic. They tend to be very educated, but not "smart." If that makes sense. They're usually pretty good with numbers and computers. They have a modest and shy air about them, but are actually very sexual people. Virgo temper is scary scary scary, at least to me. They're the quieter of the signs which is why I don't really have much to say about them otherwise. They're easy to open up and not boring but for some reason their impression just never sticks with me.

posted October 20, 2013 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Definitely a Libra thing because I don't feel that way at all. Virgo isn't a very refined sign in my opinion. Too pragmatic.

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Well I think it's a Virgo thing because thinking like that seems really reasonable and practical to me. I analyze people and that's how I got my conclusion of people being primitive, IMO. It sure seems like a fact to me because of how much I analyze, they always seem similar.

posted October 20, 2013 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Well I think it's a Virgo thing because thinking like that seems really reasonable and practical to me. I analyze people and that's how I got my conclusion of people being primitive, IMO. It sure seems like a fact to me because of how much I analyze, they always seem similar.

My Ascendant's depositor; the Sun, is in Virgo, so it's like a more Virgoan Virgo Sun, lol.

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posted October 20, 2013 07:19 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Pragmatism is very primitive itself if you think about it. And for me it's very much the opposite. I perceive people in general as very complex and fascinating.
The analyzing part is definitely a Virgo thing but I don't think the conclusion necessarily is.
I myself have zero Libra in my chart and I've noticed with Libra influenced Virgoans and Libra suns too that they cultivate a very refined, proper image. A high school friend of mine was a Libra with most personal planets in Libra and he pretty much viewed the whole of humanity as a uncultured, crude species.
I'm a Virgo Sun, Rising, Venus and Mercury btw

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Well the Libras I come across are happy go lucky and would think everyone is different and fascinating too. (thinking everyone has their point in the world and they must realize that) (they try to make it fair and balanced for everyone) I don't think Libra would think that people are primitive. I know what you are saying though. I think it's a Virgo thing (stereotypical trait) because Virgos judge people a lot. But I think it has more to do with how you're raised and what you experienced, tbh

I could be wrong though

Oh and I don't really view pragmatism as primitive, but constructive to progressing the world of it's flaws that make no sense.
For example, we need creativity, but without pragmatism, the ideas will be so unrealistic and we won't be able to apply them, so we must consider pragmatism.

Another factor I view people in general to be primitive because they are so predictable. (I don't mean boring, I just know how they think and their views on things)
Maybe that can be my Gemini Moon influencing too?

posted October 20, 2013 08:48 PM            

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Originally posted by REVOLUTION21:
Everyone else is not as deep as me and can't see what I see. My perception is beyond the stars. There. :P

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posted October 20, 2013 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Well the Libras I come across are happy go lucky and would think everyone is different and fascinating too. (thinking everyone has their point in the world and they must realize that) (they try to make it fair and balanced for everyone) I don't think Libra would think that people are primitive. I know what you are saying though. I think it's a Virgo thing (stereotypical trait) because Virgos judge people a lot. But I think it has more to do with how you're raised and what you experienced, tbh

I could be wrong though

Oh and I don't really view pragmatism as primitive, but constructive to progressing the world of it's flaws that make no sense.
For example, we need creativity, but without pragmatism, the ideas will be so unrealistic and we won't be able to apply them, so we must consider pragmatism.

Another factor I view people in general to be primitive because they are so predictable. (I don't mean boring, I just know how they think and their views on things)
Maybe that can be my Gemini Moon influencing too?

And in Vedic, I'm Virgo dominant and relate to my Vedic chart much more than my Tropical chart.

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posted October 20, 2013 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I am Virgo dominant too in Vedic complete with Virgo rising but my sun goes into Leo. Doesn't yours do that also, M.I.?

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posted October 20, 2013 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Where can one do a vedic chart and how accurate is it? I am intrigued now.

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posted October 20, 2013 09:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Well the Libras I come across are happy go lucky and would think everyone is different and fascinating too. (thinking everyone has their point in the world and they must realize that) (they try to make it fair and balanced for everyone) I don't think Libra would think that people are primitive. I know what you are saying though. I think it's a Virgo thing (stereotypical trait) because Virgos judge people a lot. But I think it has more to do with how you're raised and what you experienced, tbh

I could be wrong though

Oh and I don't really view pragmatism as primitive, but constructive to progressing the world of it's flaws that make no sense.
For example, we need creativity, but without pragmatism, the ideas will be so unrealistic and we won't be able to apply them, so we must consider pragmatism.

Another factor I view people in general to be primitive because they are so predictable. (I don't mean boring, I just know how they think and their views on things)
Maybe that can be my Gemini Moon influencing too?

And in Vedic, I'm Virgo dominant and relate to my Vedic chart much more than my Tropical chart.

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Oh, you are lucky then that you have such evolved, great Libras around you. I've met many arrogant ones and many definitely think of people as primitive. Not the case with everyone of course.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say that people are predictable? In terms of societal conventions? or do you feel your way into someones state of mind? That is quite interesting.
We are probably all predictable in our own way, the challenge is to really get to an empathic level with someone where conventions and all the covering layers get off and you communicate on the most basic level. But I think that might be my Cancer moon talking.
I called pragmatism primitive because it is so stripped down from any intellectual, spiritual or conventional aspects. It's just a one-two step process leading to things actually getting done. No pretenses, just pure practicality. Which is the most basic way of life. Primitive here isn't a negative. It's the cornerstone without which nothing can function.

Yeah, I guess you can say I'm lucky, I need someone to balance my attitude out, lol.

Yes, both societal and state of mind.
Firstly, most people will automatically be biased towards positive and optimism and label the pessimist a pessimist, but in fact, it it weren't for the pessimist, they will be making a fool of themselves with false hope when there's times in actuality, there really is no hope. I understand lying and saying there is hope so that it will keep a good vibe, but they will be wasting time with false hope when they can be thinking of a plan to fix the problem instead of assuming everything is going to be okay.

The kinds of things in this ^ nature (I have many more reasons, but I think I'll leave it at that, lol ) where everyone seems to have the same ideas and views on something. But when someone proposes an eccentric idea, they kill his/her standing as an influence so that any of their future views will be considered "weird" or "stupid" just because they brought a whole different perspective to the equation.
It makes me really mad and I'm sick of seeing the same old stuff, lol. It just repeats over and over.
I'm the type of person who likes constant progression (kind of an Aquarius and Virgo combined POV) in all areas, such as Science (most importantly) social structures, architecture, etc. Anything that improves things and makes them better than how they were before.

Secondly, on a state of mind way; I can almost intuitively know what people are thinking and are going to say when either I say something, or I'm observing other people. Sometimes I don't even feel like expressing my views, opinions or thoughts on things because I know what will be said by the other person, as per their reaction to it as well, even if it's something mild, I can tell how people are going to take it. (again, much more to explain, but I'll keep it at that )

Yes, by definition pragmatism will be considered primitive, but if you still need something that useful as of this day, I wouldn't view it as primitive, but rather productive and perhaps ahead of it's time (in a weird paradox kind of way because it's primitive, yet what we should work towards) because it seems this society isn't based off of practicality as much as I think it should be.

posted October 20, 2013 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Where can one do a vedic chart and how accurate is it? I am intrigued now.

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Or: http://astrosage.com/kundli/

posted October 20, 2013 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I am Virgo dominant too in Vedic complete with Virgo rising but my sun goes into Leo. Doesn't yours do that also, M.I.?

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posted October 20, 2013 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Mine is at 0 degrees Virgo
I was lucky, lol.
It stays there if I do the Topocentric thing too.

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posted October 20, 2013 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Aww, there's goes some of the posts deleted

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posted October 20, 2013 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yeah, both of ours.

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posted October 20, 2013 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I've already forgotten what they were lol. Maybe we shouldn't go oof topic :s

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We were talking about our Vedic Suns and Tropical Suns and their Decans and Duads.

I said "0 degree Virgo Sun in Vedic "
I was lucky, lol.

"My Sun is at 23.58 degrees Virgo in Taurus Decan and Gemini Duad"

You said yours is in Virgo Decan and Sagittarius Duad.

posted October 20, 2013 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
We were talking about our Vedic Suns and Tropical Suns and their Decans and Duads.

I said "0 degree Virgo Sun in Vedic "
I was lucky, lol.

"My Sun is at 23.58 degrees Virgo in Taurus Decan and Gemini Duad"

You said yours is in Virgo Decan and Sagittarius Duad.

You said you had Virgo's ruler conjunct Jupiter.
Then I asked if you are referring to Mercury or Vulcan or both? Also if that was happening in Libra and if you have a Libra or Scorpio Jupiter?

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posted October 20, 2013 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Oh yes duads. Jupiter is in the Capricorn duad of Libra but Mercury is in Sag duad. They are conjunct.

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Oh okay.

Oh and you asked if my Sun was in the Virgo-Libra Cusp?

I said I don't think it's in the "Cusp of Beauty" (as tarot.com dubs it)
I also said I don't believe cusps exist, lol.