posted November 02, 2013 10:06 AM            

Do people with Chiron in the 12th get really uncomfortable when other people show a lot of pain?

Do they tell them to shut up and get over it, basically, because their own pain is hidden and suppressed?

Thanks for any thoughts!

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posted November 02, 2013 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is not directed to anyone personally, so please don't think it is. It is just a question I have been pondering.

Do people with Chiron in the 12th get really uncomfortable when other people show a lot of pain?

Do they tell them to shut up and get over it, basically, because their own pain is hidden and suppressed?

Thanks for any thoughts!

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Yes at the discomfort, but it's because I don't like seeing/feeling others suffer/in pain. Even if it happens to be someone I don't particularly like...And they don't have to necessarily be showing it outwardly, it can still be sensed...

And to the second question, sometimes I feel like that towards those who are being overly dramatic (pity parties, cries for attention), whiny, and short-sighted/narrow minded/selfish over stuff that really isn't that serious...Particularly if I sense they are just being manipulative...But I wouldn't tell them that...Just let em rant and move on.

"Do they tell them to shut up and get over it, basically, because their own pain is hidden and suppressed?"

I find that I'm the one to be treated that way (esp. in the past) whenever I open up, which is (in part) why I rarely do. Everyone else is allowed to vent, except me. That's how it has played out, thus the hidden/suppressed nature of it. I'm expected to remain strong for everyone else. I've lost a number of important people over the last few years, and it never fails that I get all the "make sure you take care of ____", "stay strong for_____" comments, and nobody checks in on me. It's just expected, and nothing is ever enough when it comes to caring for others...And when I get seriously sick or injured, it's assumed that I'm just being lazy/apathetic/difficult/indifferent. Or I open up about abuse in childhood and it's dismissed/forgotten, or too much (shocking in a way) for the other to want to listen (so they don't want to hear about it)...Or some may assume I've not been through anything (and will patronize me that way), because the pain is so well hidden...I could go on and on about this...But there is a part of me that also feels like I don't want to burden others with my pain.

posted November 02, 2013 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I am very proactive about pain. I work through it and put it behind me but I never push it down.
My advice to anyone would be the same basically ^

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posted November 02, 2013 06:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
I disagree. I have this position. I have always been greatly interested & listening to other people's pain & personal stories & I would never tell them to surpress it. Quite the opposite.

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Howard Sasportas reports a similar connection to our expression of any 12th House planet. I view any planets here as our sacrifice to the collective.

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As already mentioned, the 12th house gives access to the collective archive of experience passed on generation after generation. Therefore, it is not surprising that the keepers of this storehouse – those who work for museums and libraries – often have 12th house placements.

It would not be appropriate to discuss the 12th house without mentioning again the research done by Michel and Françoise Gauquelin. They analysed the careers of successful sportspeople and found a correlation with Mars in the 12th house sector of the chart. Similarly, scientists and physicians tended to have Saturn there, writers the Moon, and actors Jupiter. Based on their studies, it appears that planets in the 12th (and to some extent the 9th, 6th and 3rd) significantly determine the character and profession of the native. This surprised many astrologers who assumed that placements in the 1st or 10th houses should be stronger in this respect.

However, are their findings so strange in the light of what we understand the 12th house to be? If there is an urge to ‘give away’ whatever is in the 12th to other people, then it follows that we could make a career out of the principles there. Also, if the 12th house indicates energies in the collective atmosphere to which we are sensitive, then it is likely that our character and expression will reflect these. Sportspeople capture the collective urge to compete and be first (Mars), writers tune into the collective imagination (Moon), and scientists serve the collective need to classify and structure (Saturn).

Since the 12th relates to reconnecting with something numinous and divine, an individual may experience a planet there as the key or path to greatness and self-transcendence. Naturally, he or she would want to develop it. On some level, they may believe that the doors to heaven are opened through excelling at whatever principle is in the 12th. The deep longing for wholeness and immortality which exists in all of us is the enticement which motivates achievement through 12th house planets.

Sasportas, Howard (2010-10-28). The Twelve Houses (p. 84).

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