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Astrid
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posted November 04, 2013 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astrid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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LovelyAries86
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posted November 04, 2013 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astrid:
A man who is beating up his wife often (or the opposite), does he always have the "being-violent-to-his-wife-aspect" in his natal chart? Or is it a general "I-like-to-be-violent-with-anyone-aspect"? Or can it be that it is only about the synastry between the couple?

What are the aspects? Do you have theories or facts?


I was just thinking about this subject earlier this morning! Wondering what aspects would make a person "prone" to being violent.

I look forward to seeing the answers.

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posted November 04, 2013 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Either - even as a result of upbringing or some drug/alcohol addiction which is supposed to be related to 12th house.

Synastry for sure though. I had one relationship with daily violence and no violence at all in any of my other relationships. We had two way Sun square Mars.

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posted November 04, 2013 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
afflicted Mars in 4th

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posted November 04, 2013 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've also heard about mars square uranus in synastry - unpredictably and mars involved

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posted November 04, 2013 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Mars in 4th- I have it in Aries- yikes!

Never have had the experience family violence or domestic abuse, but this definitely concerns me.

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posted November 04, 2013 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astrid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 04, 2013 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cap IC...afflicted saturn in 4th house, Nessus in 4th

iQ told me that my Nessus in Cancer, and since im a female many times pointed to abuse in the home...
Cancer being a protective nurturing sign representing the home(IC ruler)/mother and in general your childhood....

I would look at Nessus to see how it aspects, not only in his chart but also in synastry as someone might wake up the abuser in another by closely aspecting Nessus.

Potentially, i would think a Cap Nessus closely aspecting personal planets could be a dangerous male, an abusive person? But thats just my opinion....it possibly it could indicate someone who was abused by his father, but men who are abused and bury it instead of dealing with it potentially become abusers themselves as they try to regain the control they lost from the abuse.

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posted November 04, 2013 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why Mars in the 4th? Violence in the early home so the same for the later home

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posted November 04, 2013 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Male unaspected mars plus a male sun/pluto conjunction (ego power trip) conjuncting female mars/uranus (male partner unpredicable anger) conjunction in the 4th house (her private space/home)

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posted November 04, 2013 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astrid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 04, 2013 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We also draw people to us and they might not normally be violent but because of our interaction, they find it's easier to be that way.

For example, I have Pluto in my 7th and if I was to want a partner that is all powerful but not want to stand up for myself, I might subconsciously be opening myself up to a powerful person that views me as weak, when really, it's me viewing myself as weak and allowing it to go that far.

I think synastry and both person's natal charts have a say in it.

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posted November 04, 2013 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I was in a rush...

In Natal .. Male chart with
Unaspected Mars (his Anger feral/unrestricted)
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Sun conjunct pluto (power trip)


In Natal...female chart with
Mars/uranus conjuction in her own 4 th house.
Here .. Mars is descriptive of the type of man she is attracted to, and when combined with uranus and the 4th house - this means a man who is unpredicable in the privacy of her home. mars/pluto in female 4th house would also work (violent man). The 7th house might be an alternative.

In synastry..... The male sun/pluto (or his unsaspected natal mars) conjunct female mars/uranus/pluto . Or in hard aspect.

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posted November 05, 2013 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astrid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 05, 2013 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux RÍve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My parents have Mars/ASC (mother) square Uranus/Pluto/Venus (father) and Saturn hard aspects, and they were violent with each other (my father especially - he has Mars square Saturn natally and Moon square a Sun/Neptune conjunction).

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posted November 05, 2013 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Why Mars in the 4th? Violence in the early home so the same for the later home


don't get what you mean.

I have mars in the 4th house and the childhood home was violent. But I know and I'll make darn sure that the home I build won't be.

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posted November 05, 2013 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astrid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 05, 2013 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astrid:
Thanx for taking time to specify. In synastry, I am wondering if your theory only is with the mans planets in conjunction with planets in 4th. Or can it be even if they fall into the 4th but with no conjunction? I mean if she has no planets there or they are further away from his? Or if his planets in her 4th is making aspects to her planets (mars/pluto etc) in other houses? (Or is that what you ment with the last word I now found in your comment?)

I think that you could possibly vary from the exact configuration I cited.

The general rule would be to start with aspects in the individual natal male chart which suggest a predisposition for a difficult-to-control Mars (unaspected or maybe Mars/Uranus aspect or mars/pluto) in the same chart as powerful (pluto)ego(sun) or unpredicable (uranus)ego(sun)aspect. A Scorpio sun might also do the trick. Perhaps also consider a volatile fire sign afflicted moon added to this, which would make him very reactive.

The female chart I think would be likely to show some predisposition to attracting that "kind" of man into her life. Her Mars sign is a traditional indicator of the kind of man she will attract. e.g. Mars in Aries - her partner would be a go-getter. But when her (e.g. Aries) Mars is linked natally with her Uranus or Pluto, she will be looking for a powerful, unpredictable man who is a go-getter... and maybe get more than she bargained for!

This is where the synastry comes in when the male sun/pluto with a "feral" mars transposes into her 4th or 7th and also aspects with her mars/uranus or mars/pluto which might not necessarily be in that same house.

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posted November 05, 2013 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astrid:

I was thinking about that too. Generally it is known that those who grew up in violent homes either continue to be abused later in life or they become abusers themselves. That goes also for psychlogical violence. But I don't know how many cases where that won't happen statisticly(?).

Eh... I know many who have serious ďabuseĒ placements (myself included), grew up in violent homes and we turn out to be ok. Not that we didnít have to put lots of effort into it though.


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Originally posted by Astrid:

If the abusive home is connected to house placements in astrology, then could it be true that one has to accept the destiny? And the exceptions where the child grows up and do not end up in it no more, could that be connected to only a transit that gave the violent effect in the early home, and therefore wont come back?

This is my opinion, the placements and aspects can predict the possibility of violence/abuse...etc... but imo that doesnít always mean that every effort to improve it and make it better will go to waste.

I believe that destiny is shaped by external forces and our actions. Say, it wasnít in my control that violence happened in my childhood home, but what I did was that I plotted my exit plan and promised myself that I wonít ever take cr*p from anyone, nor will I inflict abuse on others.

I also believe that one has to have a good amount of luck. Iíve seen people who have never been given the slimmest of chance, or donít even have the abilities to build/seek out chances.

In the chart, I think there are certain ďluckyĒ aspects that play against the more negative ones. I have a reasonably well aspected Jupiter. Itís in leo, 7th house and trines my moon. It square my pluto though kakaka


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Originally posted by Astrid:

And the exceptions where the child grows up and do not end up in it no more, could that be connected to only a transit that gave the violent effect in the early home, and therefore wont come back?

I think it's possible, but my knowledge of astrology isn't good enough to think of an example. Haha that transit, whatever it is sure took its sweet time with me.

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posted November 05, 2013 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its funny how two people who can be brought up in the same household, could view the abuse from very differing eyes.

The 4th house represents the "lesser" parent , in this case the father.

The 10th house represents the parent who has more influence in rearing the child i.e the mother(in most cases).

Shania Twain said that she grew up with her Step-Dad beating up on her Mom.She has Saturn sitting on the 4th house.

Chris Brown witnessed his Dad beating on his Mom. He has Pluto in 4th house.

I think planets like Pluto, Uranus, Mars and even Saturn can indicate the home as a place of fear(Pluto),unpredictability(Uranus) and dread(Saturn).

I'd put it Neptune there too. This could indicate the complete neglect/taking for granted of the mother.

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posted November 05, 2013 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Astrid:
A man who is beating up his wife often (or the opposite), does he always have the "being-violent-to-his-wife-aspect" in his natal chart? Or is it a general "I-like-to-be-violent-with-anyone-aspect"? Or can it be that it is only about the synastry between the couple?

What are the aspects? Do you have theories or facts?



In my natal, I have Mars conjunct Uranus in Sag in my 5H. They square my Sun/Merc conjunction in my 9H. I've got a bit of a mouth on me, and I'm really good at "pushing people's buttons" when I want to.

He had Sun (early Cancer) conjunct Mars (late Gem), Pluto conjunct Saturn late in Libra. Those conjunctions trine each other. He's also got Mars opp Neptune. He always had a holier than thou attitude toward everyone around him. When in all actuality, he wasn't that great

I was in a live-in relationship with him for 5 years. And for almost that entire time he was abusing me. It started as mental and emotional abuse. Telling me the things I liked/wanted/did were all meaningless and "stupid" on a constant basis. Until I actually started believing him. An old friend of mine came back in the picture and started making me realize what was going on and that was when the really scary stuff began. Because I started voicing my unhappiness. It started arguments that led to physical fights. Even living in a house with his father didn't stop him. If I screamed he would choke me or smother me to get me to stop. The outcome of me "talking back." It's the only relationship I've ever had like that, I think it's because my Natal activated all of his power placements.

His Mars square my Sun/Merc (his sun, too, but a bit wide 10 degrees)
His Pluto/Saturn quincunx my Sun/Merc
His Neptune Square my Sun/Merc (activating his natal opposition)
His Neptune conjunct my Mars/Uranus (again with his natal Mars/Neptune opp)

I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

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posted November 06, 2013 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mango     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I grew up with violence in my home.

I have 4th house ruler jupiter in sag conunct uranus in my 3rd house

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posted November 06, 2013 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iliketurtles     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have IC in aries
cancer mars in 4th sqaure pluto, conjunct DSC

my dad beat and verbally abused my mum for 22 years. go figure

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