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Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted November 08, 2013 05:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eclipses are very dynamic transits known to indicate major events, life-altering shifts, and new changes.
They are the catalysts for further development and transformation — depending on its sign/aspect position.

Therefore, the pre-natal eclipse (both the solar & lunar) can show where YOUR personal point of karma, soul development, and consciousness evolution is.

So I'm curious, has anyone found this point to be prominent in your synastries with those who has had the most significant, transformative & life-altering impact on you?

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posted November 08, 2013 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
yes.

Thought so.

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posted November 08, 2013 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow!

I took a look at pre-natal eclipse chart of Mr. Uranus.

It's 12'22 Pisces, conjunct my natal DSC, ~13 Pisces.

Who would be the affected one in this case? Him or me?

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posted November 08, 2013 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Selene:
Wow!

I took a look at pre-natal eclipse chart of Mr. Uranus.

It's 12'22 Pisces, conjunct my natal DSC, ~13 Pisces.

Who would be the affected one in this case? Him or me?



both. Though for him it might feel more meaningful in the sense that there if the underlying feeling of a purpose (because ecclipses combine Sun, Moon and the nodal axis, does not get any more purposeful than this imo).

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posted November 08, 2013 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
5 days before my birthday there was a Solar Ecclipse on 21.17 Sagittarius (which is my prenatal SE of course).

my prenatal lunar ecclipse landson 7°01 Sagittarius-Gemini, which I find interesting as my ASC-DESC-axis is on 7°01 Sagittarius-Gemini exact.


While the solar ecclipse was closest to my birthday, closest to Mr Sag`s birthday was a lunar ecclipse on 13.16 Virgo-Pisces.

His prenatal Solar ecclipse is on 29.01 Leo


Well my prenatal SE is conjunct his chartruler (0°49)
his prenatal LE is conjunct my chartruler (2°04)

Additionally his prenatal SE is exactly conjunct his true BML and opposite my true BML

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posted November 08, 2013 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wait! How do you calculate these eclipses? Is this what's on astro is called Natal and pre-natal New Moon?

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posted November 08, 2013 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my case, yes, but that is not always the case.


You can use this list here

http://www.cafeastrology.com/eclipsessolarlunar.html

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posted November 08, 2013 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MY.. I knew we had something special but I guess this pattern beats everything...

(all the eclipses below are closest to birth; pre & post)


Look here;

My pre-natal SOLAR eclipse;

- Sun 28'55 Cancer / Moon 28'55 Cancer (SE)

His natal (true) SOUTH NODE = 28'15 Cancer.


His pre-natal LUNAR eclipse;

- Sun 13'52 Leo / Moon 13'52 Aqua (LE)

My natal (true) SOUTH NODE = 14'35 Leo.


But it becomes rrrreally interesting when we look at our POST-natal eclipses! (compare these to the above);

My POST-natal LUNAR Eclipse;

- Sun 13´41 Leo / Moon 13´41 Aqua (LE)

(^^ that's the EXACT same eclipse as his PRE-natal one!)

His POST-natal SOLAR Eclipse,

- Sun 25'20 Cap / Moon 25'20 Cap (SE)

(where my PRE-natal Solar Eclipse was at 28´55 CANCER lol!)

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Some corresponding planets of ours;
My Venus 29'53 Cancer / Vesta 27'30 Cap.
His Saturn 25'42 Cap / Chiron 25'51 Cancer.
His Jupiter 12'43 Leo.


So glad I discovered PRE & POST natal eclipses!

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posted November 09, 2013 04:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well my prenatal SE is conjunct his chartruler (0°49)
his prenatal LE is conjunct my chartruler (2°04)
Additionally his prenatal SE is exactly conjunct his true BML and opposite my true BML

Wow perfect mirroring symmerty yet again Ceri!

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quote:
Originally posted by mir:
My pre-natal SOLAR eclipse;
- Sun 28'55 Cancer / Moon 28'55 Cancer (SE)

His natal (true) SOUTH NODE = 28'15 Cancer.


His pre-natal LUNAR eclipse;

- Sun 13'52 Leo / Moon 13'52 Aqua (LE)

My natal (true) SOUTH NODE = 14'35 Leo.


Love this configuration, mir!
Sounds very fated/karmic!

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posted November 09, 2013 04:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol its so creepy yet fascinating how strongly the pre-natal eclipses are aspected!


With my Virgo, we have:
~ My LE conjunct his IC/MC 1°

~ His SE conjunct my Sun (Asc-ruler)0° (and conjunct his Sun & Asc 0°)
~ His SE opposite my Saturn (Desc co-ruler) 0°


Additional:
~ My SE quindecile his IC 2° (and conjunct my SN 2°)

~ His LE Moon quindecile my Sun 0°
~ His LE Moon quindecile my Sun/Moon mp 0°
~ His LE Sun quindecile my Saturn 0°
~ His LE antiscia/contra-antiscia my IC/MC 0° (and conjunct/opposite his Nodes 0°)
~ His SE contra-antiscia my Venus 1°

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quote:
Originally posted by Selene:
Wait! How do you calculate these eclipses? Is this what's on astro is called Natal and pre-natal New Moon?

Initially I looked at that one as well, then I checked the eclipse list on cafeastrology, same link that Ceri posted lol.

Both yielding quite interesting results for us!

my Pre-natal new moon exactly conjunct on his Anti-Vertex

While his pre-natal new moon position stayed the same as his solar eclipse position (conjunct my Sun exact and opposite my Saturn exact).

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posted November 09, 2013 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yess it's very verry fascinating!

Some significant others;

My ex;
- Sun 25 Sco 57 Opposition Moon 25 Tau 57(LE)

My IC = 24'55 Scorp / my Jupiter 26'39 Scorp.

(his new girlfriend has Sun on 25 Taurus!)

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THE life-changing erotic experience of my life (which resulted in lyric me);
- Sun 3 Vir 03 Opposition Moon 3 Pis 03(LE)

My ASC 3'51 Virgo! (my merc 4'39 virgo)

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My very first (the only one I lived together with for 3 years);
- Sun 27 Can 24 Conjunct Moon 27 Can 24(SE)

I'm flabbergasted!! My pre-natal SE is also at 28'55 CANCER! (my venus 29'52 Cancer).

(his birthtime unknown)

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Another significant relationship with a guy who hurt me at-the-end the very MOST;
- Sun 14 Sco 41 Opposition Moon 14 Tau 41(LE)

My moon is at 16'31 Scorp.

AND: my POST-natal LE is opp/conj HIS Moon! (orb can vary from 0-2)

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2 longterm platonic friends (birthtimes unknown);

With one;
MY SE is opposite his SUN (about EXACT)

The other;
MY SE conjunct his Venus (3)

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posted November 09, 2013 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My prenatal eclipse is around 15 cancer..
I haven't had any romances with anyone near thus point.

But it would make sense in my chart I have a cluster of personal planets in Leo, so any planet at this point wouldn't touch any of my personal planets..

I have met a couple of cancer suns around this degree, but they did nothing for me romantically.

This seems to be my 1 date point.

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Checked for the pre-natal eclipse in some of my friends' charts and their loves/soul connections:

Couple 1:

Her SE quindecile his Desc 2°
Her SE contra-antiscia his Pluto 2°
Her SE contra-antiscia his Vertex 2°
Her SE antiscia his Juno 0°

Her LE Sun conjunct his Pluto 1°
Her LE Moon quindecile his Moon 1°
Her LE Moon antiscia his Venus 1°
Her LE Moon antiscia his Mars 2°
Her LE Moon antiscia his Jupiter 0°


His SE contra-antiscia her Chiron 1° (he had a HUGE healing influence on her!)

His LE conjunct her Desc 0°
His LE Moon quindecile her Sun 1°
His LE Moon quindecile her Mercury 2°
His LE Moon antiscia her NN 2°
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Couple 2:

Her SE quindecile his Venus 2°


His SE (widely) conjunct her Sun 4°
His SE conjunct her Mercury 0°
His SE opposite her Pluto 3°

His LE Sun conjunct her Desc 2°
His LE Sun quindecile her Pluto 0°
His LE Moon quindecile her Mercury 0°

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quote:
Originally posted by mir:
Yess it's very verry fascinating!

Some significant others;

My ex;
- Sun 25 Sco 57 Opposition Moon 25 Tau 57(LE)

My IC = 24'55 Scorp / my Jupiter 26'39 Scorp.

(his new girlfriend has Sun on 25 Taurus!)

**

THE life-changing erotic experience of my life (which resulted in lyric me);
- Sun 3 Vir 03 Opposition Moon 3 Pis 03(LE)

My ASC 3'51 Virgo! (my merc 4'39 virgo)

**

My very first (the only one I lived together with for 3 years);
- Sun 27 Can 24 Conjunct Moon 27 Can 24(SE)

I'm flabbergasted!! My pre-natal SE is also at 28'55 CANCER! (my venus 29'52 Cancer).

(his birthtime unknown)

**

Another significant relationship with a guy who hurt me at-the-end the very MOST;
- Sun 14 Sco 41 Opposition Moon 14 Tau 41(LE)

My moon is at 16'31 Scorp.

AND: my POST-natal LE is opp/conj HIS Moon! (orb can vary from 0-2)

**

2 longterm platonic friends (birthtimes unknown);

With one;
MY SE is opposite his SUN (about EXACT)

The other;
MY SE conjunct his Venus (3)


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quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
My prenatal eclipse is around 15 cancer..
I haven't had any romances with anyone near thus point.

But it would make sense in my chart I have a cluster of personal planets in Leo, so any planet at this point wouldn't touch any of my personal planets..

I have met a couple of cancer suns around this degree, but they did nothing for me romantically.

This seems to be my 1 date point.



My Saturn is on 16.57 Cancer. lol


I have to look up some, but so far it seems that there are some individuals that relate strongly to my ecclipses, but it is not a general theme.

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Lioness,

Have you checked both the pre-natal Solar & Lunar eclipses?

If one doesn't happen to be active in your synastries, then perhaps the other one might.

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Personally I wouldn`t look up the ecclipses after birth, unless the birth took place IMMEDIATELY (within a week) before the next ecclipse. Anyway...


my first crush ever, and was intrumental in my spiritual awakening, did not have any conjunctions to either my SE nor LE.

Interestingly though his Draco Karma was exactly conjunct my SE. With his Draco Venus being about 3 degrees off, too far to be all that relevant but maybe of subtle effect, especially with his Draco Venus being opposite my natal Karma.

oh also in regard to my LE
his Chiron-Pluto-opposition was exactly squaring it


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Another guy, very instrumental in my overall development, though it was quite painful

same thing - no conjunctions/oppositions to my ecclipse points;

His Draco Karma-Jupiter-conjunction is conjunct my natal Karma though and widely opposite my SE (3 degrees).


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I also looked up Mr law`s chart

His Karma and MErcury, DESC-ruler, conjunct my SE exactly
his Nessus opposes my SE exactly
his NEptune opposes my LE exactly
his DESC conjuncts my LE (2 degrees).
his Cupido opposes my LE exactly

his DR MC conjuncts my SE exact
his Dr Pluto conjuncts my SE ery very loosely (4 degrees)

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with Mr Sag

his Neptune, chartruler, and Cupido, conjuncts my SE exactly
his Mercury, DESC-ruler and IC-ruler, opposite my LE (2 degrees)

his Dr Uranus, his 12th ruler, opp. my SE
his Dr Chiron, opposite my LE


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From their perspective:

guy 1 has


lE: 00 Virgo
SE: 15 Aquarius

The SE was conjunct his own SN exact btw.


his LE was conjunct/Opposite my true BML
his SE conjunct my Moon by one degree

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guy 2:

SE: 19 Scorpio
LE: 5 Taurus

nothing too important

well his SE conjunct my Anteros exact, and squares my Moon by 2 degrees

his LE is conjunct my Lucifer, Actor, Part of Marriage, and opposes my Draco Saturn.


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Mr Law:

LE: 3 Aqua
SE: 18 Cancer

Well the LE actually falls onto my Sun/ruler-mp. LOL (which means Sun/Jupiter and also Mercury/Jupiter, the latter being the midpoint between DESC and ASC-ruler)

It is also conjunct my Draco Aprhodite

his SE conjuncts his own SN and falls onto my Saturn on 17 Cancer, and also conjuncts/ opposes my Sun/Moon-mp, conj. my Vertex and Eros and Pan by 2-3 degrees

conjuncts my Draco IC and Draco Dejanira


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Mr Sag

LE: 13 Pisces
SE: 29 Leo

(Le opposes his own Mars-Jupiter, and SE is conjunct his own BML)

his LE conjuncts my chartuler Jupiter (2 degrees) and Dr SOMA* (1)
Also conjuncts my Juno by 3 degrees and opposes PErsephone exactly

Hey LC; that might interest you, his LE falls onto our Davison Atropos exactly.


his SE opposes my true BML exactly and conjuncts my Parvati

* I sometimes look up Soma and Aura together; I know Soma also relates to something else, but for me personally it describes how you FEEL and SENSE external input in your body.

For example, if something from the outside triggers feelings of fear, anxiety or even attraction in you, and you can literally feel your stomach clenching or heart widening wide open, when it is accompanied by that "somatic" feeling, that is what Soma describes.


For me the asteroid Soma (2815) lands on 24 Scorpio in 12th house, loosely conjunct Valentine on 27 Scorpio.

Even before I knew that, well, I used to have problems realizing what I realy feel and what was just triggered by my mind maybe.
Someone said to me: "Listen to your body. If the feeling is real, you can feel it inside your entrails; if everything stays the same, it is not real at all."

It was one of the best advices I have ever gotten actually.

Finding Soma connected to Valentine (And btw Draco Hypnos is conjunt, too, squeezed right between Soma and Valentine), made much sense to me.

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posted November 10, 2013 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW Sabian of my Soma is: An x-ray photograph

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posted November 10, 2013 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
btw anyone has this book?
http://venusstarrising.com/

Amazing read!

Interestingly my Venus-Star is on 13 Scorpio (Evening star of course).

(I have an asteroid stellium there of Siva, Moira, London, Walpurga, Lancelot, Eurydike and probably some others all from 14-16 Scorpio, and it is on the exact antiscion of my Moon).


The author highlights the different relationships also, depending on which star you land (there are always 5 connected to each other I think).

Twin Star relationship
karmic Star
Creative Star


If you want I can look it up for you.

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Amazing eclipse connections, Ceri!

And DANG Mr. Sag's eclipse on your Davison Atropos sounds incredibly deep

Hmm so I'm guessing that the ones with whom you feel a sense of purpose/destiny with will touch your eclipses, right?

And if they don't, then it may not have been as significant of a connection... Or you may have felt that something was missing, despite feeling huge amounts of love/attraction..
Just maybe the sense of purpose/destiny was lacking...


"Someone said to me: "Listen to your body. If the feeling is real, you can feel it inside your entrails; if everything stays the same, it is not real at all."

Aww wow... This is so true

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quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW Sabian of my Soma is: An x-ray photograph

LOL!

The Sabian for mine is:
A Man Watches His Ideals Taking A Concrete Form Before His Inner Vision

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Somehow I knew that Soma will be heavy in our synastry... The description you gave of it fits to the T!
lol I'll tell you more in your Soma thread in the asteroid forum

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