posted November 14, 2013 07:55 AM            

I think that emotions feel like fire and the person recoils. To the other person, he may feel like he did something wrong or was bad in some way.

However, for the Moon/Chiron person, he feels overwhelmed by his own emotions and hence can push someone away.

What do you all think.

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posted November 14, 2013 08:54 AM            

My theory was that when these people have very strong emotions like pain, anger, even love, they may feel like it is a fire and push the other person away.

The other person feels like he failed and it was his fault.

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posted November 14, 2013 10:14 AM            

Usually the emotions are quite intense and overwhelming, so very often the person decides to repress them and push them far away from the conscious.

posted November 14, 2013 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It could be expressed that way, yes.

Usually the emotions are quite intense and overwhelming, so very often the person decides to repress them and push them far away from the conscious.

So there's a bit of a push and pull thing going on: need VS independence.

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Thanks, Doux.

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posted November 14, 2013 01:05 PM            

Positive Chiron aspects allow for an easier flow of the pain. I have Chiron trine Venus and the ASC.

I talk about and write about my pain but the trines did not take it away.

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posted November 14, 2013 01:29 PM            

Everything has a positive and a negative side. The positive side of Chiron is healing. Healing would not exist without disease or pain, nor would life be worth living in a perfect, positive world with no challenges.

The best therapist I've ever known has strong Chiron in his chart. So do I (conjunct Ceres and my ASC), and I'm told I'm pretty good at the job I do, which involves people with disabilities.

I'm a relative newbie and can't speak with much authority on this specific aspect, nor am I clear as to whether you're talking about natal charts, synastry, or both, but I would think that under the right circumstances, it could bring a lot of empathy and understanding.

In synastry, I had a "hard" double whammy with my ex, and while the relationship ended under difficult circumstances, he was in many ways my greatest teacher.

Don't forget an important keyword for Chiron is "wounded healer." I don't think a healer can heal without being wounded.

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posted November 14, 2013 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I believe it is an extreme oversimplification to refer to Chiron as primarily about pain.

Everything has a positive and a negative side. The positive side of Chiron is healing. Healing would not exist without disease or pain, nor would life be worth living in a perfect, positive world with no challenges.

The best therapist I've ever known has strong Chiron in his chart. So do I (conjunct Ceres and my ASC), and I'm told I'm pretty good at the job I do, which involves people with disabilities.

I'm a relative newbie and can't speak with much authority on this specific aspect, nor am I clear as to whether you're talking about natal charts, synastry, or both, but I would think that under the right circumstances, it could bring a lot of empathy and understanding.

In synastry, I had a "hard" double whammy with my ex, and while the relationship ended under difficult circumstances, he was in many ways my greatest teacher.

Don't forget an important keyword for Chiron is "wounded healer." I don't think a healer can heal without being wounded.

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posted November 14, 2013 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I believe it is an extreme oversimplification to refer to Chiron as primarily about pain.

Everything has a positive and a negative side. The positive side of Chiron is healing. Healing would not exist without disease or pain, nor would life be worth living in a perfect, positive world with no challenges.

The best therapist I've ever known has strong Chiron in his chart. So do I (conjunct Ceres and my ASC), and I'm told I'm pretty good at the job I do, which involves people with disabilities.

I'm a relative newbie and can't speak with much authority on this specific aspect, nor am I clear as to whether you're talking about natal charts, synastry, or both, but I would think that under the right circumstances, it could bring a lot of empathy and understanding.

In synastry, I had a "hard" double whammy with my ex, and while the relationship ended under difficult circumstances, he was in many ways my greatest teacher.

Don't forget an important keyword for Chiron is "wounded healer." I don't think a healer can heal without being wounded.

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I do agree with Delilah. I think it's important to not lose sight of the other side of Chiron.

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posted November 14, 2013 07:24 PM            

Chiron is not a fiery planet but pain feels like fire imo

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posted November 14, 2013 07:27 PM            

All conjunct eachother.

I do not push people away. I am very open and dont close myself off. Intense emotions dont scare me at all. Im not afraid.

posted November 14, 2013 07:58 PM            

I've even become nasty to other people to gain that space. Whatever it takes.
That's in frustration.

posted November 14, 2013 08:02 PM            

I do have a horrible temper. Takes alot to get me angry but when i do. Watch out! It can be pretty scary lol.

posted November 14, 2013 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
My moon Taurus
My chiron Taurus
My venus Taurus

All conjunct eachother.

I do not push people away. I am very open and dont close myself off. Intense emotions dont scare me at all. Im not afraid.

I love intensity.

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How close are these? Did you lose your mother early?

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posted November 14, 2013 08:26 PM            

The inconjunction is about Loss. SomethingExcellent just wrote about it being a 12th harmonic aspect, 12th House being Pisces.

It's also indicated by Bernadette Brady in her book "The Eagle And The Lark"

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The Quincunx or Inconjunct (150 °)

Key Principle: moving into a new situation; change; release, letting go.

The quincunx causes change and separation in its mode as a traveler. It walks on stage and stops the play, changes the plot, or moves everybody to a new theater.

Change and separation can be expressed in many ways, starting with the ultimate separation of death, traveling, illness, moving house and home, or maybe just isolating yourself because you are studying. From changing an opinion to breaking up a relationship, the quincunx wants to move you into a new situation whether you are ready for it or not. Sometimes this is very stressful; at other times it may be joyful.

The Sun-Saturn quincunx is a statement about the releasing or letting go of a set of responsibilities; leaving a very structured situation. A prisoner being released from prison is experiencing a Sun-Saturn quincunx type event. It could indicate a person retiring from work, someone stepping down from a position of authority; a mother may have this aspect as a child leaves home, and so on.

The Venus-Uranus example would be talking about the ending of a socializing time, the ending of an affair, the completion of a time of high social activity, the end of a vacation, or going back to work or school.

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posted November 14, 2013 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How close are these? Did you lose your mother early?

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Nope my mother is 56 but looks 38 lol. Shes still alive.....nagging and b******g lmfao!

Chiron, Moon, and Venus in the 11th house. I think its a stellium right?

Moon 29°32' Taurus
Venus 22°54' Taurus
Chiron 25°24' Taurus

posted November 14, 2013 08:38 PM            

Well Moon conj Chiron is usually pain with the Mom and pain with one's own emotions.

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posted November 14, 2013 08:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Maybe, Firemoon lost a mom. I know someone that I talk to and respect did. I am glad yours is ok!

Well Moon conj Chiron is usually pain with the Mom and pain with one's own emotions.

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posted November 14, 2013 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
No Belage

Chiron is not a fiery planet but pain feels like fire imo

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Is it the way pain feels to you in general, or the pain coming from Chiron?

I am curious, because now I am thinking, different people experience pain differently, and what is it in the chart that will give pain different quality...

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