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Topic: People that live for nothing except there own gain
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PlutoFish
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posted November 14, 2013 08:38 AM
  
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Doux Rêve
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posted November 14, 2013 10:15 AM
Makes me think of Saturn combined with Leo...IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted November 14, 2013 10:18 AM
Many planets in 1st house? you too have it, what do you think?IP: Logged |
Belage
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From: USA
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posted November 14, 2013 01:10 PM
I agree with an abundance of planets in the first house as it puts the focus on numero uno. It's all about them.  ------------------
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NoRainNoRainbows
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posted November 14, 2013 01:15 PM
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i'm living proof that this is rubbish....i have 1st house stelluim, and i'm yet to find anyone who has given in their past as much as i did. (could be numerology to though)But what about Pluto trine sun, i read somewhere these people are extremly magnetic, but don't expect them to be 'do-gooders' IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
Knowflake Posts: 1568
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posted November 14, 2013 02:01 PM
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peachbeigeblue
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posted November 14, 2013 04:05 PM
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Belage
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posted November 14, 2013 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by NoRainNoRainbows:
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i'm living proof that this is rubbish....i have 1st house stelluim, and i'm yet to find anyone who has given in their past as much as i did. (could be numerology to though)
Sowwy, didn't mean to offend you. I should have said that this tendency can be mitigated by perhaps Neptune or Jupiter conjunct the Ascendant. By the way, I don't think there is necessarily something wrong with making yourself numero uno. A person who has given too much to others in a past life may come into an incarnation where they need to focus more on their own needs, as a way to balance out the scales.
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IrisRainbow
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From: Pluto
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted November 14, 2013 04:38 PM
Pluto Square Moon.They care not so deeply about you as you think.IP: Logged |
dadoo
Knowflake Posts: 79
From: Mercury
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted November 14, 2013 04:44 PM
Blocked leo energy.
Leo is extremely selfish in its unevolved form.IP: Logged |
NoRainNoRainbows
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posted November 14, 2013 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
Sowwy, didn't mean to offend you. I should have said that this tendency can be mitigated by perhaps Neptune or Jupiter conjunct the Ascendant. By the way, I don't think there is necessarily something wrong with making yourself numero uno. A person who has given too much to others in a past life may come into an incarnation where they need to focus more on their own needs, as a way to balance out the scales.
is that how it came across lol? no offense taken so no worries  but i think what Plutofish meant wasn't ppl that just want to make themselves number one...but who do it at the expense of others....is that what you meant plutofish? IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted November 14, 2013 07:06 PM
Ironically people with this mentality usually get far in life, so I suppose it is fun for some people to hate on them  IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue
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posted November 14, 2013 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Ironically people with this mentality usually get far in life, so I suppose it is fun for some people to hate on them
because theyre darkworkers! http://ascension-temple.com/are-you-a-lightworker-or-a-darkworker.html IP: Logged |
Nine
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From: The Cusp of Love
Registered: May 2009
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posted November 14, 2013 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by NoRainNoRainbows:
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But what about Pluto trine sun, i read somewhere these people are extremly magnetic, but don't expect them to be 'do-gooders'
Hey!! I have Pluto trine Sun, not magnetic, but I try to be a do-gooder. Having a Virgo Asc, using my resources for my own benefit is something I've had to taught myself. IP: Logged |
DialecticLady
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posted November 15, 2013 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by IrisRainbow:
Pluto Square Moon.They care not so deeply about you as you think.
I'm Pluto Square Moon and I care VERY much about people, many times even more than me. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets somehow.
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 15, 2013 12:13 AM
Everyone.
If there was no self gain, there will be no motivation.
A mathematician even proved that everyone was inherently selfish.Funny thing is, he ended up committing suicide eventually because he was horrified by his conclusion. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 15, 2013 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
A mathematician even proved that everyone was inherently selfish.Funny thing is, he ended up committing suicide eventually because he was horrified by his conclusion.
Suggesting he wasn't all that mentally healthy to begin with. In any case, if he was inherently selfish then why would he be upset with realizing it? Math is really amazing but I don't think it can prove inherent selfishness. But who knows, maybe one day psychohistory might become a valid science. Though just to be clear I sorta agree with the assertion we're all inherently selfish, but I see a difference between healthy & unhealthy selfishness (just as I do between healthy & unhealthy self-sacrifice) and I also see how altruism & selfishness can work in harmony with one serving the other (that is the self-serving can provide valuable services & products to get ahead and for profit while those more driven to help others others can find personal benefit as the kindly ones become seen as assets to society with a good reputation and the better off people are the less you generally have to fear them and more likely they are to feel at least some goodwill to you, and I personally consider it ideal to help others while helping one's self at the same time). In my case I find that sharing pain lessens it while sharing happiness & laughter increases it so by helping others enjoy life I increase my own enjoyment, and they do the same in return, and that doubles as a motivation to be there for each other to overcome the bad times of life so one can get back to increasing each others happiness (but not everyone is wired this way). It really shouldn't be a radical concept and plenty do understand what I'm talking about but too many want to treat it as a dichotomy (and generally speaking treating those 2 aspects as dichotomous is a good way to become unhealthy in either altruism/self-sacrifice or selfishness/self-serving). IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
Knowflake Posts: 2081
From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets somehow.
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 15, 2013 04:15 AM
^Yeah, I agree with what you're saying He killed himself though because he attempted to disprove his own thing that he proved by trying to be selfless to the max. He gave everything he had to people, people lived in his house, stole, etc, And he allowed it. He did this because he didn't like how he seen the world after that. But in actuality, little did he realize that he was being selfish by trying to satisfy his vision with how the world should be, instead of accepting and making the most out of what it really is. IP: Logged |
NoRainNoRainbows
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posted November 15, 2013 05:21 AM
^^ err do you have a link to this? otherwise sounds strange. Specially for someone advanced in understanding of maths etc, they'd have a better grasp on psychology than doing this, unless he wasn't stable to begin with.Is it possible that the same person could be selfish, or selfless depending on their synastry with whomever they are using or allowing to use them? anyway also agree we should balance it between how much we give/allow others to take from us....and how much we ourselves take from others. I learnt the hard way that the first is a dead end, and you'll have no one but yourself to blame when you discover that there are some real arrogant users there. So telling u there is nothing wrong at all with putting your interests first sometimes, as long as your not gossiping or destroying another persons career/relationships. But also no need for you to put up with it at all if someone is walking all over you, as if you've got no self-worth or something....
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LucieLemonade
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posted November 15, 2013 06:01 AM
I agree with NRNR. I have three planets in my 1st, no conjuction of Jup or Nep to Asc. I also have pluto square moon and I certainly do not live for nothing except my own gain and I do not think I am "numero uno" in sense. Sure, I'm very self aware and I tend to take things personally and look internally for answers. But I don't think this is what PF meant nor do I think it means I think of me first, especially not to the exclusion of others. I believe in being fair and equal to everyone. Perhaps those aspects in certain signs? But for sure not in my case either. IP: Logged |
IrisRainbow
Knowflake Posts: 571
From: Pluto
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted November 15, 2013 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by DialecticLady:
I'm Pluto Square Moon and I care VERY much about people, many times even more than me.
I have pluto square moon too.My moon is in Aqua,my Pluto is in Sag.My asc is in Leo and I have an eleventh house stellium.I care about some people but they simply dont grow in me.What I mean is,that I dont bond with people because all my life the people around me-especially relatives and family(pluto in the 4th) are the ones that come,take what they want and never speak to me again,therefore,I learnt to do the same thing and make them think I am stupid and sensitive and that I give a damn when really I dont.I care about friends,tho.But,if you hurt me and I can walk over you,I will. IP: Logged |
DialecticLady
Knowflake Posts: 246
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posted November 15, 2013 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by IrisRainbow:
I have pluto square moon too.My moon is in Aqua,my Pluto is in Sag.My asc is in Leo and I have an eleventh house stellium.I care about some people but they simply dont grow in me.What I mean is,that I dont bond with people because all my life the people around me-especially relatives and family(pluto in the 4th) are the ones that come,take what they want and never speak to me again,therefore,I learnt to do the same thing and make them think I am stupid and sensitive and that I give a damn when really I dont.I care about friends,tho.But,if you hurt me and I can walk over you,I will.
Hey Iris, I'm so sorry you passed by this situations! Mine was very different. I'm a aqua moon too that is conjunct my rising. I have nothing in my IC/4th house and my Pluto is on my MC in libra. I have Uranus and Neptune in 11th, my Neptune is in the end of the 11th making a conjunction out of sign with the jupiter in 12th...maybe is because of this I care a lot about people? I don't know but I just wanted to share that my experience with this placement wasn't the same.
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Mercurian Intellect
Knowflake Posts: 2081
From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets somehow.
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 15, 2013 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by NoRainNoRainbows:
^^ err do you have a link to this? otherwise sounds strange. Specially for someone advanced in understanding of maths etc, they'd have a better grasp on psychology than doing this, unless he wasn't stable to begin with.Is it possible that the same person could be selfish, or selfless depending on their synastry with whomever they are using or allowing to use them? anyway also agree we should balance it between how much we give/allow others to take from us....and how much we ourselves take from others. I learnt the hard way that the first is a dead end, and you'll have no one but yourself to blame when you discover that there are some real arrogant users there. So telling u there is nothing wrong at all with putting your interests first sometimes, as long as your not gossiping or destroying another persons career/relationships. But also no need for you to put up with it at all if someone is walking all over you, as if you've got no self-worth or something....
This isn't where I originally learned about it, but it's basically the same thing.
http://www.mightynurse.com/selfish-altruism/ IP: Logged |
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