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Topic: Synastry and Saturn question
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hannaramaa
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posted November 14, 2013 12:56 PM
  
May sound silly but who feels more loyal in a Sun tribe Saturn aspect or Venus trine Saturn? And to play devils advocate if Venus or Sun feels more loyal then what does Saturn feel to balance that?IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted November 14, 2013 02:00 PM
There's no simple answer to that question.
As always, in synastry, there's an exchange of energy... meaning, it goes both ways.
But I've come to believe that the inner planet feels Saturn's energy more - and thus is usually more loyal / attached to Saturn.IP: Logged |
AriesLilith
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posted November 15, 2013 09:47 AM
I agree with Doux Rêve, it's not as simple as simply analyzing each aspect in an isolated way.But I would look at synastry aspects in a psychological way - analyze each natal to determine what each element means for each of the couple, and then see how they match together in synastry. Someone with afflicted Saturn might have more commitment issues and run away from someone touching their Saturn. Also, Saturn aspecting Venus or Sun is not necessarily about romantic feelings, it can show that one's seriousness is in harmony or conflict with another's values and affection display or ego. Usually Saturn badly aspecting the other's personal planets can show that the Saturn person is rather too rigid for the planets person, or too critical or judgmental, whereas harmonious aspect can show guidance, support and structure but not necessarily romantic (depends on other aspects and composite chart). IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted November 15, 2013 11:19 AM
I was asking about loyalty in general, not romantic feelings, and explained they were trine? I don't know what houses they're in (well, their Saturn is on my DSC, and my Sun and Venus are trine their Saturn if that helps. Sun / Venus in Aries, Saturn in Sagittarius.) I guess it depends how you view Synastry. I agree there CAN be an exchange of energy like Doux said, but I've also seen or had experiences where one person was feeling (for example) ALL of the Sun's energy and one person became very Saturn. This didn't happen right off the bat, true, but over years, which seems plausible. IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted November 15, 2013 11:27 AM
The planet person feels like pleasing the Saturn person all the time, hence the loyality towards the Saturn. Saturn is the boss, the planet person is their subject. Until the subject decides to rebel and detach, then Saturn goes all bersek, worried out of their skulls and tries to win the planet person back into their domain. At the end, both people need each other and stay loyal to each other thru tick and thin. ( supposedly)IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted November 15, 2013 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by Orange:
The planet person feels like pleasing the Saturn person, hence the loyality towards the Saturn. Saturn is the boss, the planet person is their subject. Until the subject decides to rebel and detach, then Saturn goes all bersek, worried out of their skulls and tries to win the planet person back into their domain. At the end, both people need each other and stay loyal to each other thru tick and thin. ( supposedly)
Thank you Orange! Is a level of appreciation shown in these aspects? I suppose it's inferred. Sun appreciates Saturn, etc. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 15, 2013 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by Orange:
The planet person feels like pleasing the Saturn person all the time, hence the loyality towards the Saturn. Saturn is the boss, the planet person is their subject. Until the subject decides to rebel and detach, then Saturn goes all bersek, worried out of their skulls and tries to win the planet person back into their domain. At the end, both people need each other and stay loyal to each other thru tick and thin. ( supposedly)
 Exactly my observation, too. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted November 15, 2013 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
I agree with Doux Rêve, it's not as simple as simply analyzing each aspect in an isolated way.But I would look at synastry aspects in a psychological way - analyze each natal to determine what each element means for each of the couple, and then see how they match together in synastry. Someone with afflicted Saturn might have more commitment issues and run away from someone touching their Saturn. Also, Saturn aspecting Venus or Sun is not necessarily about romantic feelings, it can show that one's seriousness is in harmony or conflict with another's values and affection display or ego. Usually Saturn badly aspecting the other's personal planets can show that the Saturn person is rather too rigid for the planets person, or too critical or judgmental, whereas harmonious aspect can show guidance, support and structure but not necessarily romantic (depends on other aspects and composite chart).
+100.
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Orange
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posted November 15, 2013 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Thank you Orange!Is a level of appreciation shown in these aspects? I suppose it's inferred. Sun appreciates Saturn, etc.
Hanna,
The Sun person worshipes the Saturn person. Saturn is very very flattered. Saturn basks in the shine of the Sun person and lit up. Saturn never felt so good before. He would try to tighten the grip and the control, so that the provider of that warm sunshine never goes away and leaves them in the cold again. He does so by slowly chopping off the Sun's confidence and makes them inferior to the Saturn and completely dependable on them. Saturn becomes so sure of the Sun's admiration that he slowly starts taking advantage of the Sun and even undermines them. The Saturn likes the effect they have over the Sun so incredibly much that when the Sun person shows a sign of not being interested or appreciative anymore, the Saturn person goes into a full blown panic mode. How it ends or not, depends on the rest of the synastry. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted November 15, 2013 09:24 PM
Synastry is next to useless IMO. Am I the only one who feels that way?IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted November 15, 2013 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by Orange:
Hanna,
The Sun person worshipes the Saturn person. Saturn is very very flattered. Saturn basks in the shine of the Sun person and lit up. He would try to tighten the grip and the control they have on their hands, so that the provider of that warm sunshine never goes away and leaves them in the cold. He does so by slowly chopping off Sun's confidence and makes them inferior to the Saturn and dependable on them. Saturn becomes so sure of the Sun's admiration that he slowly starts taking advantage of the Sun. The Saturn likes the effect they have over the Sun so incredibly much that when the Sun person shows a sign of not being interested or appreciative anymore, the Saturn person goes into a full blown panic mode. How it ends or not, depends on the rest of the synastry.
Wow, that's a great description and helps me understand how Saturn trines work better! So it is a co-dependent aspect even if it's a trine, got it. And Saturn is conscious of their effect on the Sun or Venus. It's all very interesting and I relate a lot to what you said, much appreciated. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted November 15, 2013 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Synastry is next to useless IMO. Am I the only one who feels that way?
Almost, if we're going by the Personal Readings section and history. IP: Logged |
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