posted November 17, 2013 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by AriesLilith:

Personally I prefer the midpoint composite over Davison, thought I use aspects between/to midpoints in the chart as well. It has been consistent to how relationships have been.

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posted November 17, 2013 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
the sun conjuncts the ASC within 2 degrees but resides in 12H.
can I consider the sun as if it's in the first house?
Which chart would describe the identity of the relationship better, davison or midpoint?

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posted November 17, 2013 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Can you remind me again, what orbs you use with these, and which aspects? (only conjunctions/ Oppositions? Or squares, too? Semisquares/sesisquares?)

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posted November 18, 2013 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
For aspects involving midpoints in the composite chart, I prefer to use 2ºdegrees max. I mainly look at conjunctions/oppositions/squares, thought semisquares/sesisquares might be relevant too (but I can't really say much about them since I don't usually look at them).

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I use the same, though I just occasionally glanced at composites since we had the convo some years ago. It was you I talked to about midpoints in composite, wasn`t it?
I am getting old my memory starts failing me.

I was recently reminded of midpoints in composite, when someone asked me if I was feeling the 6 degree conjunction of Moon-Venus in composite, and I certainly do.

Usually it is just at the the outer range of orb I would even consider, and I certainly would not consider a Mars-Pluto-conjunction at degrees usually, but in this case the nodal axis seemed to bring it all together.

Well turns out:

Moon/Venus-mp: 19°27 Capricorn
Mars/Pluto-mp: 19°11 Libra

NN: 20°46 Libra
(Cupid: 20°47 Libra
Amor: 20°36 Libra
Camelot: 20°01 Libra )

On their own the aspects would be fairly wideorbed, except for Moon-Mars and Venus-Pluto:

Moon conjunct Venus: 6°51
Mars conjunct Pluto: 7°54
Mars conjunct NN: 2°22 ok. not wide
Pluto conjunct NN: 5°32

Moon square Mars: 0°16
Venus square Pluto:0°47

Moon square NN: 2°06
Venus square NN: 4°45
Moon square Pluto: 7°38
Venus square Mars: 7°07

posted November 19, 2013 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I use the same, though I just occasionally glanced at composites since we had the convo some years ago. It was you I talked to about midpoints in composite, wasn`t it?
I am getting old my memory starts failing me.

I was recently reminded of midpoints in composite, when someone asked me if I was feeling the 6 degree conjunction of Moon-Venus in composite, and I certainly do.

Usually it is just at the the outer range of orb I would even consider, and I certainly would not consider a Mars-Pluto-conjunction at degrees usually, but in this case the nodal axis seemed to bring it all together.

Well turns out:

Moon/Venus-mp: 19°27 Capricorn
Mars/Pluto-mp: 19°11 Libra

NN: 20°46 Libra
(Cupid: 20°47 Libra
Amor: 20°36 Libra
Camelot: 20°01 Libra )

On their own the aspects would be fairly wideorbed, except for Moon-Mars and Venus-Pluto:

Moon conjunct Venus: 6°51
Mars conjunct Pluto: 7°54
Mars conjunct NN: 2°22 ok. not wide
Pluto conjunct NN: 5°32

Moon square Mars: 0°16
Venus square Pluto:0°47

Moon square NN: 2°06
Venus square NN: 4°45
Moon square Pluto: 7°38
Venus square Mars: 7°07

I was wondering if the midpoint-configurations are making the wide orbed aspects stronger or more prominent.
What do you think?
Is this reaching?

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Yeah I guess that it was me some years ago.

I guess that we have to add more into equation when it comes to relevance of wider orbs, that assuming that aspects wouldn't have effect the moment they reach the orb limit would be too simplistic. Also, it's not something like "if aspect <= orb then valid in any degree within orb, else invalid" - the tighter the degree is the stronger the effect, the wider the degree is the weaker the effect, so that it's a gradual thing rather.

posted November 19, 2013 02:05 PM            

You would say that the composite moon isn't doing much except for a wide square to our Sun/Juno/Venus/Pluto stellium (6-9) AND on the opposite side a wide square to MARS (6)

But..

Sun/Mars midpoint conj. composite Moon (0'06)
Venus/Mars midpoint conj. composite Moon (1'17)
Juno/Mars midpoint conj. composite Moon (0'25)
Pluto/Mars midpoint conj. composite Moon (2'09)

In the heliocentric composite the same song, there's not really a conjunction of Earth/Moon with Venus (5-6) nor with Mars (5-6) but Earth/Moon is on the Venus/Mars midpoint within 1.

posted November 19, 2013 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
Yeah I guess that it was me some years ago.

I guess that we have to add more into equation when it comes to relevance of wider orbs, that assuming that aspects wouldn't have effect the moment they reach the orb limit would be too simplistic. Also, it's not something like "if aspect <= orb then valid in any degree within orb, else invalid" - the tighter the degree is the stronger the effect, the wider the degree is the weaker the effect, so that it's a gradual thing rather.

But yeah, midpoints might have the answer as to why some aspects seems relevant even if the degrees are wide. The chart is not formed by independent aspects, it's interconnection of aspects affecting each other anyways.

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I definitely think midpoints are one of the things that can explain why some aspects feel strong even though they're not in tight orb or not major aspects or both. When I added midpoints to my chart analysis it was really helpful in explaining why some of the aspects in my chart feel more powerful and/or harder than you would expect.

One example is I have Neptune tightly opposite my Moon/ASC midpoint. Even though the only aspects I have are a bQ between my ASC and Neptune and a loose quintile between my ASC and Moon, I identify strongly with the descriptions of ASC-Neptune and ASC-Moon. Discovering they were linked by a MP really filled in a confusing gap in my chart. There are other examples... I have an unusually strong semi-sextile between Mars and Uranus which is explained by the fact that Neptune (it's involved in a lot of MPs) is conjunct my Mars/Uranus midpoint.

I highly recommend Midpoints by Dan McBroom to anyone who's interested in this subject. I found it to be very helpful. It does a really good job teaching the reader not just about midpoints in general but also about how to use them in chart analysis.