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coolingembers
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posted November 19, 2013 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will try to keep this short. Met a cancer august 2012. My first everything. The January following he dropped off the face of the earth. No contact. He came back. Claimed he was incredibly sorry, and left to improve his life for me. I took him back. Mind you, he was gone in his 'cave' for two months. The relationship severely improved. Heaven. But once again, winter hit and it tanked. Shockingly he didn't hide from me. We talked face to face and he said he 'needed to be alone. To get help for his depression. To get better". I lost it. I asked him if I was being played, why did he have to go away to do it etc. The next morning he called. Explained he needed to get his life in order, and it had nothing to do with me. I asked what he wanted from me then. He wouldn't answer. So u stated what I thought he wanted. I said "you aren't mentally stable . I think you should work on that, get better, and come back so we can start the fire back up. Because I miss the fire . " he was silent for a bit but he agreed. He actually sounded relieved . he said "yes. yes. That's what I wanted, but I was afraid you'd be angry." I told him no. I still loved him and I wanted him happy . but now... I'm losing my mind. He still wore his wedding ring. Its a huge shock to my system, and I'm lost. God knows how long hell be gone.can anyone else relate?

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Doux Rêve
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posted November 19, 2013 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi coolingembers, welcome to the forum.


Sounds pretty typical of (not very healthy) Cancer men. I've heard a lot of stories similar to yours, with the back and forth, "hot and cold" thing. I actually experienced something similar.

I think the most important question to ask yourself is: do you want to be part of this dynamic? Because people don't change easily. If he's been that way with you all along, it's not just going to magically change because you love him. He has to sort himself out, sure, but are you willing to wait? Who knows how long that could take, and he may not even want to be with you after he gets better.
I don't mean to say that you should just dump him and move on because obviously, it sounds like he's miserable, and maybe he does love you and wants to be with you and needs your support.
It's up to you to decide if you're willing to wait and be there for him. Just make sure you're doing it out of love and not out of a feeling of guilt or duty.

Best of luck to you.

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coolingembers
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posted November 19, 2013 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to stay if this is how it will always be. I'm hoping if he gets help it will change. I can already see two major differences from the last occurence.

1. He faced me. He didn't hide. He was blunt. He warned me before he 'left' and told me it was not me at all. Unlike last time where he just dropped off the map.

2. He answers me if I text him asking him a simple question. I have only texted twice in this past week , so while I have backed off I have also touched base. Last time, I never got any replies.

I am torn. He is killing me. I love him to death, but to me this is mixed signals.

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Doux Rêve
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posted November 19, 2013 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you post a synastry chart, cooling?
Maybe we could get some ideas from there and see your situation more clearly.

(in the 3. instead of choosing "Natal chart", choose "Synastry")

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HOW TO GET YOUR CHART
1. Go to www.astro.com . You can create a free account or enter your birth data as a guest; however, creating an account will allow you to save your information – great for trying the different charts both for yourself and for others in your life. If you don’t know the exact time of your birth, do your best to find out – it *is* important.
2. Go to “Free Horoscopes” and then to “Extended Chart Selection.”
3. “Natal Chart Wheel” is the default, but you will need to go to “House System” (under “Options” use the drop-down to change to “equal”).
4. Click on “Click here to show the Chart,” then click on the chart which will appear.
5. Right-click and save the chart to your desktop.
HOW TO UPLOAD YOUR CHART
1. Create a free account at www.photobucket.com .
2. Select “Upload Now” which will bring up “Select Photos and Videos.”
3. Navigate to your desktop and select.
4. On right, click “Save and continue to my album.”
5. When you hover the mouse pointer over the chart, you will see that a box appears with a few options. If you need to edit out your name or anything else you don’t feel comfortable sharing on the boards, “edit” is in the top band of options. Select “edit” which opens your chart and provides editing options. Go to the tab “Decorate,” and you will see a number of icons, one of which is an eraser. Erase what you need to, and click “Replace original.”
6. Saving should take you to a new screen where you can see your chart and to the right, a bank of options to “Share this photo.” Click on the IMG code, which will flash and let you know that you’ve copied the link.
7. Go to your thread, open a new post and paste your link.
8. Don’t move or delete your chart from Photobucket, because the link only goes to where the chart was saved!

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coolingembers
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posted November 19, 2013 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honestly , we were born in the same hospital but I never got his time . I'm sorry. There's no way to get it now.


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Doux Rêve
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posted November 19, 2013 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's okay, a birth date is very valuable, even without a birth time.

Your synastry looks intense. There are many elements to it - some very good, and some not so good (like in the majority of synastries between couples).

The thing here is that your Pluto opposes his Venus, and your Moon/Saturn oppose his Mars.
His Uranus/Neptune oppose your Mars, and fall on your DSC.
His Moon squares your Moon/Saturn, as well.

You're the Pluto in the Venus/Pluto opposition, and the Moon/Saturn in the Mars opposition. So he may feel a bit oppressed by you and your "sensitivity" and demands, sometimes. You can come across as quite insecure or bossy, and overly-attached and oppressive to him. He may feel too controlled by you or like he can't express himself like he'd want to. It doesn't have to directly relate to your behavior, but it's more on an energey level.
Your Mars oppose his Uranus/Neptune, now that... that's a red flag, to me personally. Because the Uranus/Neptune person just won't have stable feelings for the Mars person. It's likely to always be an on and off thing. I've had this two times being the Uranus/Neptune person and I can safely say I was never attracted to the Mars person on a "regular" basis. It was very unstable. Besides the fact that they fall right on your DSC only amplifies the instability of the relationship. He definitely acts elusive and aloof sometimes and romantic and caring some other times. Unfortunately, it will probably be quite difficult to "stabilize" this energy.
His Uranus/Neptune also square your Mercury, that only adds to the communication problems and may even point to deceit / lies.

You -do- have some good things, the grand trine between Sun, Venus and Uranus/Neptune, and Sun trine Moon/Saturn, as well as a well-aspected Mercury (his). That's pretty sweet, but it doesn't cancel out all the other energies.

Moon square Moon/Saturn indicates that your basic emotional temperaments are quite different, and there may be some frustration surrounding emotional needs. Saturn adds to the misunderstanding / coldness factor and creates challenges between people so they can grow and learn some lessons through experience.

It looks challenging, to me.
I wouldn't say impossible, but I'm afraid the instability will be a constant, here.

Please don't base your decision on what I've said, though. Take some time to think about it all and see where your relationship goes for the next few months, or so. If you see some improvement, great. If not, then you know what to do.

Good luck!

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coolingembers
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posted November 19, 2013 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What you said about him feeling oppressed by me was so dead on. I push him to succeed and I think he feels like since he can't provide for me he's 'not good enough'. What I don't understand is how our relationship can be incredible for the most part of a year, then he needs space. Quite honestly don't like hearing hell never be stable. We were engaged . He is the first guy I ever had that... 'Pull' to. I have a strong feeling hell be back, and act like nothing ever happened. Stuck. I am stuck.

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Doux Rêve
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posted November 19, 2013 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's precisely what the Uranus energy is all about. Come and go. Here now, gone the next moment.

I am sorry my interpretation sounded quite negative, but I wanted to give you an objective point of view.

Like I said, it doesn't have to mean it's doomed. But it may lead to some sacrifices from your part.

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posted November 19, 2013 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can handle him going into his cave for a few weeks. Even a month. I really can. My issue is trusting he will come back, and that the time will not exceed a month. I love him to death. I just can't handle waiting and not knowing if he won't come back. He left his house keys , wallet, and Xbox here . told me he doesn't need them, to hold on to them. Last time he dropped off the map he was sure to leave nothing. And to delete me from his facebook and everything else. This time, he did not. Hense, confusion.

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charlie
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posted November 19, 2013 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He doesn't trust you for reasons you might never find out.

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posted November 19, 2013 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only time can tell with this one, methinks.
I doubt he'll be able to tell you what will happen, so you probably won't get any clear answers from him, or the reassurance you need.
I am sorry you're in this situation, it's tough.
Hang in there, no matter what happens, you'll get through it. Stay strong.

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posted November 19, 2013 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trust me , no straight answers is quite accurate.like I said, he wants to try the rubber band theory. Go as far away as he can then snap back? I really hope in his head he see's an issue with this... Want to hear the odd part? I got a virgo day by day astrology guide, and the exact date he checked out last year, to the exact day he checked out this year...Neptune was mentioned . Both times. Think that's a piece of the puzzle?

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posted November 19, 2013 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune can be a pretty bad guy, right there with Uranus.
Neptune -> Pisces -> the fish. They swim away... poof. Gone.
Neptune can create confusion, as well.

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charlie
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posted November 19, 2013 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by coolingembers:
Trust me , no straight answers is quite accurate.like I said, he wants to try the rubber band theory. Go as far away as he can then snap back? I really hope in his head he see's an issue with this... Want to hear the odd part? I got a virgo day by day astrology guide, and the exact date he checked out last year, to the exact day he checked out this year...Neptune was mentioned . Both times. Think that's a piece of the puzzle?

I am a Cancer-cancer stellium. As a Cancer and ruled by the Moon we change. We float with the moods and ocean so if there's a transit or progression we change. I was born under a full moon and despite being more like an Aquarius my moods change so quickly that I'll spin your head off. Try to go with the flow for as long as you can take it BUT don't EVER change how you feel just to try and a make him open up more. Just remain the same and reassuring.

Also, I haven't met one Cancer that wasn't a master at playing games. We find one loophole in you? You will be dragged in sand, over cliffs and rocks and ultimately buried in a hole. Sad but true.

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posted November 19, 2013 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dec 17 2012
"The moon once again joins Neptune in you seventh solar house. This can manifest itself in one of several ways. One possibility is that you're completely blind sighted by a partners true nature"


Nov 13 2013
"Neptune goes direct in your seventh house today.Difficulties related to marriage or relationships dissolve. Something secretive and deceptive is going on'


I for one, find it incredibly strange, that both very SPECIFIC dates say ' Neptune goes direct in your seventh house'... Seriously wish I was a better astrologer and could connect it.

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posted November 19, 2013 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
I am a Cancer-cancer stellium. As a Cancer and ruled by the Moon we change. We float with the moods and ocean so if there's a transit or progression we change. I was born under a full moon and despite being more like an Aquarius my moods change so quickly that I'll spin your head off. Try to go with the flow for as long as you can take it BUT don't EVER change how you feel just to try and a make him open up more. Just remain the same and reassuring.

Also, I haven't met one Cancer that wasn't a master at playing games. We find one loophole in you? You will be dragged in sand, over cliffs and rocks and ultimately buried in a hole. Sad but true.


I love male cancers and all, and I do understand their moods. But personally, I draw the line at someone thinking its OK to ignore someone they 'love' for months , then coming back like nothing happened. I am okay with weeks. But months? Ouch.

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posted November 19, 2013 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by coolingembers:
I love male cancers and all, and I do understand their moods. But personally, I draw the line at someone thinking its OK to ignore someone they 'love' for months , then coming back like nothing happened. I am okay with weeks. But months? Ouch.

So what happened? Were you living together then he just didn't come home one day and he wouldn't answer your calls? Honey, it's time to dump him if he is gonna act like that. There's no excuse. If you are really wanting a serious relationship, you are not going to find it with someone who acts like this .

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