posted November 22, 2013 03:54 PM            

Is there any difference between having your planets between a person's SN and NN, as opposed to having them between their NN and SN?

posted November 22, 2013 04:30 PM            

I haven`t come to a conclusion yet.

HOwever theoretically speaking the natural devlopmental direction would be from SN to NN, in my case from Gemini to Sagittarius.
Following the usual direction of the zodiac, Virgo would be at the middle of my SN to NN (probably something I would need to incorporate on my way to get to my destination), while Pisces, would be the midpoint between my NN and SN.

Interestingyl I have Jupiter in Pisces squre my nodal axis exactly.
It is a bit of a double edged sword.

ON the one hand, theoretically, it is on the way from NN to SN (wrong direction?), kind of being headed back where I have been once before?

On the other hand Jupiter is the ruler of my North Node, and thus the instrument to my destination/ learning (NN).

It is almost like saying, to reach my destination and move forwards (NN), I first need to go back in time, into the past; NN ruler Jupiter on its way from NN to SN.

Kind of repeat the lesson I once have already learned (probably not well enough though), and from there on moving forwards towards my NN again (Interestingly Karma is also in GEmini in my 7th house, and my Draconic Moon - doesn`t get much more past lifey than this- is conjunct my ASC exact and my SN by 3 degrees; not to mention my DESC is apparently conjunct my SN as well).

On my way then from my SN to my NN the point where the energy focuses is 10 Virgo in my 9th house. A point of integration, and the guidepost to my NN, striking a perfect balance between where I have been and where I am going to go. (btw Neptune is exactly on my NN, so Neptune is where I am going to go; weirdly it echoes the Jupiter in Pisces - seems to me I got to refine a lesson I already started to learn, hone the skill, probably. It seems to me that it is not a completely new lesson, but a repetition and deepening of an already started process).

Anyway so 10 Virgo, a signal post, a beacon of light as if to say: Here, that is the direction!

Oddly, or not so oddly, HIS Mars-Jupiter-Amor-conjunction falls there; as a matter of fact his jupiter is squaring my nodal axis by 0.00!

As this is also opposite my Jupiter, it shows how much different he is from me, the polar opposite so to speak.

It gets even more pronounced, as our Jupiter-Jupiter and Jupitr-Mars-opposition is an opposition between our chartrulers. (jupiter is the traditional ruler of his Pisces-ASC - aha there the Neptune is again! and MArs rules his intercepted Aries in 1st house).

At the same time as we are so different, we are also very much alike.

His chartruler Neptune falls into my ASC-sign; my chartruler Jupiter falls into his ASC-sign - they are in mutual reception even.

This pattern repeats with the Sun and Moon.
While his Moon conjuncts my Sun and shows the area of similiarity, the dispositors of his Moon and Sun and my Sun are exactly opposite.
Of course it is the same Jupiter-Jupiter-opposition again.

he "gets" the Virgo-side, I get the Pisces - side.

Now, to hammer this in some more, my Neptune (Pisces-symbolism) is also exactly conjunct his Mercury (virgo-symbolism).

BTW his own SN is in Pisces, and his NN in Virgo.
His way need to go through Gemini. AT the same time though his NN-ruler is in Sagittarius (right on my NN btw. lol)
Similiar pattern as in my chart, though maybe not just as pronounced.

Fittingly in our composite, the ruler of the SN, Mars, sits right on the NN, conjunct Amor and Cupido exactly.
Now if that is not karmic, i don`t know what is. lol

the natural progression would go through Cancer (sn to nn).
However, the ruler of the NN itself, where it is headed, what experience will get us in touch with that relationship oriented (Libra) destination, well that ruler is Venus, and Venus sits in Capricorn in the 12th house. Sort of having it all backwards.

posted November 22, 2013 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I am a big lover of the planets sq the nodal axis)

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Me, too.

It seems that planets squaring this axis, do not react at all like planets squaring planets often do. Maybe it is because they really are at the midpoint (point of integration) of the whole axis.

It would make sense for all other axis, too, then (and is probably one of the reasons squares to a midpoint work so well).

I once did a check up of couples with nodal aspects, and the square appeared quite often!

Fro example Paul Newman and his wife had his Aquarius-Sun square her Scorpio-Taurus-node.
(seems he was on her way up to her NN ).

Robert Brownig`s Aries MOon was exactly square his wife`s Cancer-Capricorn-nodes.
(well he was on the way from her NN to her SN), but I supose it was of no concern to them. lol

June Carter`s Saturn in Sag was exactly square Johnny Cash`s Virgo-Pisces-Node.
Probably acted like a structuring influence from his way from his SN to his NN.

Interesingly his nodal rulers were in exact opposition. SN-ruler Mercury in Pisces, NN-ruler Neptune in VIrgo.

I suppose there are more examples like this one.

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I just noticed how at least in the first two cases, it was not just any planet squaring the nodal axis, but either a ruler of the nodal axis itself or the square at its midpoint.

Joanne Woodward had Leo at her nodal midpoint, and her husband`s SUN (in Aquarius - that is like a double-strike. lol) made the connection.

For the brownings, Elizabeth had a Cancer-SN, and his MOON was making the connection.

This did not work for the Cash-Carter-synastry though.

In my own synastry this odd pattern comes up, too.

posted November 22, 2013 05:41 PM            

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Ceridwen:It seems that planets squaring this axis, do not react at all like planets squaring planets often do. Maybe it is because they really are at the midpoint (point of integration) of the whole axis.

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No, they don't! It's shamelessly productive for a square. A very integral sort of dynamics, like Sun-Moon interplay, but with the edge.

I haven't noticed whether trines do something.

In my family, we are all SN/NN/planet connected.

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(don`t get me even started on the rulers/ dispositors of
this axis. lol)

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Why not

posted November 22, 2013 08:00 PM            

". A very integral sort of dynamics, like Sun-Moon interplay, but with the edge."
I observed the same. It makes sense though, with the nodal axis highlighting the relationship between, sun, Moon and Earth.

"I haven't noticed whether trines do something."
Neither have I. I suppose they won`t harm, maybe add a bit of harmony, but if they are being felt, it is really subtle.

"In my family, we are all SN/NN/planet connected."

My Dad has SN and Mars on 9 Libra, NN on 9 Aries
My Mum`s Saturn is on 9 Libra, her Jupiter on 6 Aries.
my Pluto is on 9 Libra.
my brother`s Mars is on 7 Aries.

Something like that?

"Why not "
They are doing so much, that I start feeling dizzy. A tight interplay between South and North.

"Btw, you're being strict with the orbs, up to 2°?"
There was no need to go beyond this in these cases. I pretty much take everything serious that is about up to 3 degrees. Maybe larger orbs will be still felt, but it is fading out. Besides the tight degrees will be really hit by transits and progressions.

posted November 23, 2013 01:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Does it matter that the Nodal Point moves backwards?

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That's a good question. That's why I am not too sure about the strict definition of the NN as where we are supposed to go and the SN where we have been. I am leaning toward believing that the NN is just where we take/receive because it is the mouth of the snake, and the SN is where we are forced to give or let go (due to karma), because it is the tail of the snake.

I think the planets at exact square of these nodal energies exemplify ways in which we can equally give AND receive.

posted November 23, 2013 01:07 AM            

By the way, when it comes to nodes, I think they are so important (like eclipses) that I allow for large orbs. My ex husband had Saturn conjunct my NN by 8 degree. It was my longest relationship.

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posted November 23, 2013 03:43 AM            

Might be able to figure it from that.

posted November 23, 2013 04:50 AM            

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My Dad has SN and Mars on 9 Libra, NN on 9 Aries
My Mum`s Saturn is on 9 Libra, her Jupiter on 6 Aries.
my Pluto is on 9 Libra.
my brother`s Mars is on 7 Aries.
Something like that?

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Yes. Although in my family the nodes are even crazier - we even have nodes sq each other, forming a nodal grand cross of sorts. Not to mention planets, of course and Asc/Dsc axis.

E.g Scorpio NN conj Venus, Leo Moon sq NN (brother no. 2) 0° Asc of brother no. 1 and his IC/MC axis. Not to mention that natally we seem to have a pattern regarding the nodes, like each of SN ruler is involved in the axis either via conjunctions or Squares and makes aspect in another sibling's chart.

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Belage:and I had to learn how to figure out my way out of this challenge

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posted November 23, 2013 07:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Does it matter that the Nodal Point moves backwards?

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posted November 23, 2013 07:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
That is a very interesting point, I agree.
This is particularly interesting, cause sometimes it goes direct, too (the true Node at least)

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So when it is Direct, do you read Retrograde?

Always wondered...

It seems that the cycle would switch the waxing and waning squares with the normal flow.

posted November 23, 2013 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by astrolog:
Is the conjunction or square more potent?

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The Conjunction would tip the scales to that side, the Square more equally involves both.

posted November 23, 2013 08:40 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:

Why a way out?!

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Because these energies are in square, a grand square or cross and they will be painful until resolution. It has caused a lot of grief in my life, and it took me a long time to figure out how to see them as a gift, not a punishment. So yes, I feel that I found a way out of feeling boxed in or pulled apart in different directions.

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posted November 23, 2013 09:01 AM            

On the one hand, they're still squares... but on the other hand, they do fall on the MP of the Nodes (possible integration of both Nodes?).

posted November 23, 2013 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
So are squares to the Nodes in synasty super challenging, or not?

On the one hand, they're still squares... but on the other hand, they do fall on the MP of the Nodes (possible integration of both Nodes?).

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