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Topic: Using the Natal & Dracone together.
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Ceridwen
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posted November 28, 2013 12:05 PM
  
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
What do you mean? forming aspects ? having similar themes ?
Conjunctions between Draconic and tropical.
The aspects within one zodiac do not change.
If oyu have a Venus-Pluto-square in tropical, you will also have a Venus-Pluto-square in draco, only on different degrees. IP: Logged |
DaniPepper87
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posted November 28, 2013 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
As for the houses, the gestalt of the natal does not change.
The same aspects and same housepositions as in your tropical chart arise again.However, what is interesting to look at is where the DRaconic chart is interlocking with your tropical. If your NN is close to 00 Aries the changes will be only a minimum.
My NN is in Aries 1.35.. that's why  IP: Logged |
PeterPan
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posted November 28, 2013 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
The comparasion on astro.com defiently works.
My Vertex/Vesta Scorpio conjunction 8H exactly conjuncts my Natal ascendant, and my Dr 9th Capricorn Mars exactly conjuncts my Second house Capricorn Moon.I think the degree's are off a few in the astro.com charts though, i can feel i'm a Taurus and not an Aries Sun, i think. 
If your a natal sagg sun, capricorn moon and scorpio ascendant that might make up for this as all of those signs share some common qualities with taurus: Sagg: loves food and induldgences.
Cappy: Groundedness and practicality.
scorp: Possesiveness and stubborness. IP: Logged |
pvorb
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posted November 28, 2013 02:07 PM
Whoah there sure seems to be some merit in doing so.
What I observed from a cursory look between them.
-Dr Sun falls into my 5th natal house, with natal Sun being Leo.
-Dr Moon falls into my 11th natal house, with natal Moon being Aquarius.
-Dr Mercury falls into my 6th natal house, with natal Mercury being Virgo.
-Dr Mars falls into my 2nd natal house, with natal Mars being Taurus.
-Dr Pluto falls into my 8th natal house, with natal Pluto being Scorpio.
-Dr Neptune and Uranus fall into my 10th natal house, with natal Neptune and Uranus being Capricorn. . There's more!
-Natal Venus, Chiron and Jupiter in Cancer conjunct Dr AC in Cancer. All of them being in my natal 3rd house. Natal AC is Gemini.
-Natal Mercury conjunct Dr Venus with Dr Venus being in the Dr 3rd house.
-Dr Pluto conjunct natal Uranus with natal Uranus being in the 8th house.
-Natal Saturn conjunct Dr DC. Natal Saturn is on the 9th house, with natal DC being Sagittarius. That's some insane mirroring right there! But IDK if my chart is just weird like that.. Now I'm too scared to look up other people's charts to see what I will find. IP: Logged |
JudyVanTassel
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posted November 28, 2013 02:14 PM
Wowww pvorb, that's incredible!!!! :O
In mine there's not that, oh my god!!!!
Draconic sun virgo falls in 10 natal house, i'm cancer sun.
Draconic moon pisces falls in 4/5 natal house, i'm moon aquarius.
Draconic mercury virgo falls in 10 natal, i'm mercury cancer.
Draconic venus leo falls in 9 natal, i'm venus geminiAnd i could go on telling all the planets....Do you do that thing reverse? I mean, your natal sun in what house draconic falls etc, etc??
What's the difference between that?? IP: Logged |
pvorb
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posted November 28, 2013 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by JudyVanTassel:
Wowww pvorb, that's incredible!!!! :O
In mine there's not that, oh my god!!!!
Draconic sun virgo falls in 10 natal house, i'm cancer sun.
Draconic moon pisces falls in 4/5 natal house, i'm moon aquarius.
Draconic mercury virgo falls in 10 natal, i'm mercury cancer.
Draconic venus leo falls in 9 natal, i'm venus geminiAnd i could go on telling all the planets....Do you do that thing reverse? I mean, your natal sun in what house draconic falls etc, etc??
What's the difference between that??
No, it doesn't. For ex, my Natal Sun is on my 4th house. Dr Sun is Libra. It was just lucky that my AC and NN had such a distance between them so this could be possible, but from one side only. Edit You're the opposite of me, huh. What about conjunctions between Natal and Draconic planets? See something there? IP: Logged |
JudyVanTassel
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posted November 28, 2013 02:37 PM
Pvorb but you mean your natal sun is in your 4 house natal or draconic??
I mean, my question is in which house of your draconic chart does your natal sun falls??
Is that important too??
What i remember, is that i don't have conjunctions between natal and draconic, what i have is a lot of trines and sextiles. I have to look it again to confirm.IP: Logged |
pvorb
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posted November 28, 2013 02:40 PM
Oh damn, I just now understood your question. Too dizzy yet, haha. For Sun, Saturn and Neptune, my natal planet falls to the draconic house opposite from the one that is ruled by the sign its draconic counterpart falls into.
Natal Sun falls into draconic 1st house. Dr Sun being Libra.
But since that's not a theme most planets follow, I wouldn't consider it much. IP: Logged |
ueharaa
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posted November 28, 2013 03:09 PM
First of all I definitely agree with this concept of draconic chart. However I don't think the soul level is inside "your head" only. I mean, I get what you're saying, that it's you on the inside, but to me the draconic chart is the core of your being. It's who you are at a very deep core level. It's the inner you.
I know not many people identify with their draconic signs and i think there is a very simple explanation for this. To me the main reason is that we don't get to know who we are at the core because we know ourselves through our interaction with the environment, with others, with society... and that outward self that develops and is subject to change all throughout our life is represented by the tropical /natal chart.
This is what I think ... now as to how one should interpret natal to draconic aspects I'm rather clueless. Also I don't know if a draconic placement has to hit a natal placement to express itself ..
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PlutoFish
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From: Tibet.
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posted November 28, 2013 05:42 PM
The Draconic-Natal comparison chart is what you want to look at, on astro.com.At the minute i'm working on a 13sign Draconic/Natal comparison chart, as i believe the degree's are a bit off in the Tropical, i'll post it later if anyone wants the 13sign chart degree's.  IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted November 28, 2013 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Natal - DraconicVirgo and Aquarius - Sun
Leo and Capricorn - Ascendant
Gemini and Sagittarius - Moon
Libra and Pisces - Mercury
Libra and Pisces - Venus
Scorpio and Aries - Mars
Sagittarius and Taurus - Jupiter
Pisces and Leo - Saturn
Capricorn and Gemini - Uranus
Capricorn and Gemini - Neptune
Scorpio and Taurus - Pluto
The Navamsha is like the Vedic Draconic.
The way Kapieel Raaj explains it on KRS is the Navamsa is the Signal, and the Lagna is the Radio
Draconic - Natal - 13sign Ascendant - Aries/Libra
Sun - Taurus/Ophiuchus
Moon - Gemini/Sagittarius
Mercury - Taurus/Scorpio
Venus - Pisces/Virgo
Mars - Sagittarius/Leo
Jupiter - Aries/Libra
Saturn - Cancer/Aquarius
Neptune - Gemini/Sagittarius
Uranus - Gemini/Sagittarius
Pluto - Aries/Libra
Chiron - Capricorn/Virgo
Mc - Capricorn/Leo
Draconic - Natal - Tropical
Ascendant - Aries/Scorpio
Sun - Aries/Sagittarius
Moon - Gemini/Capricorn
Mercury - Aries/Sagittarius
Venus - Pisces/Scorpio
Mars - Capricorn/Leo
Jupiter - Aries/Scorpio
Saturn - Cancer/Pisces
Neptune - Gemini/Capricorn
Uranus - Gemini Capricorn
Pluto - Aries/Scorpio
Chiron - Aquarius/Virgo
Mc - Aquarius/Virgo
Navamsha (dr) - Sidereal - Vedic Ascendant - Scorpio/Scorpio
Sun - Sagittarius/Scorpio
Moon - Libra/Sagittarius
Mercury - Scorpio/Scorpio
Venus - Capricorn/Libra
Mars - Taurus/Leo
Jupiter - Leo/Scorpio
Saturn - Capricorn/Aquarius
Neptune - Sagittarius/Sagittarius
Uranus - Capricorn/Capricorn
Pluto - Leo/Scorpio I can't decide which is the most accurate. 
My thoughts go to Vedic, then tropical, the 13 sign chart seems good but i go from having a big load of Scorpio to just a Natal Ophiuchus Sun conjunct Scorpio Mercury H1, with Pluto/Jupiter on the ascendant in Libra. The degree's are right, so i'm not sure, i can't see any reasons why it shouldn't work. The tropical maps degree's of space but that doesn't change it still cores the constellations.
The Tropical was the astrology of the Piscean age, lasting the exact 2000 years, near on. So what do you think is going to be brought in now entering the Aquarian? This is what makes me feel the 13sign chart, i relate to it, and Ophiuchus is very much alive, more so than Scorpio(7deg). Do you think Pluto/Jupiter/Ascendant in Libra would give a Scorpionic influence? Though Mercury in Scorpio is at a far conjunction (10 orb). IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted November 28, 2013 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
First of all I definitely agree with this concept of draconic chart. However I don't think the soul level is inside "your head" only. I mean, I get what you're saying, that it's you on the inside, but to me the draconic chart is the core of your being. It's who you are at a very deep core level. It's the inner you.
I know not many people identify with their draconic signs and i think there is a very simple explanation for this. To me the main reason is that we don't get to know who we are at the core because we know ourselves through our interaction with the environment, with others, with society... and that outward self that develops and is subject to change all throughout our life is represented by the tropical /natal chart.
This is what I think ... now as to how one should interpret natal to draconic aspects I'm rather clueless. Also I don't know if a draconic placement has to hit a natal placement to express itself ..
I know what you are saying, that was my first interpretation also.
What makes me think different is that the "Draconic" is the Node, which is what the Draconic chart maps, the core of your node, your connection to soul (Node is said to be when soul joins the body), so it's more about, what is the node? And what are the points in the ecliptic where the "Draconic chart" does come into our personal existence.. One of my thought's is astrological Dna implemented in the Pineal Gland, or the spiritual connection in cerebrum
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PlutoFish
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posted November 28, 2013 06:59 PM
The degree's for the 13 sign areAries - 25 deg.
Taurus - 36 deg.
Gemini - 29 deg.
Cancer - 21 deg.
Leo - 36 deg.
Virgo - 45 deg.
Libra - 24 deg.
Scorpio - 7 deg.
Ophiuchus - 19 deg.
Sagittarius - 33 deg.
Capricorn - 28 deg.
Aquarius - 24 deg.
Pisces - 37 deg They are all a bit rough, 2/3 degree's off. IP: Logged |
infinite.nebula
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posted November 29, 2013 02:37 AM
Im excited never even heard of the dracone chart. Off to read more now!  IP: Logged |
MorpHnStorM
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posted November 29, 2013 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
to me the draconic chart is the core of your being. It's who you are at a very deep core level. It's the inner you.
This resonates with me, as I very much identify with what's in my D chart on that deeper, more hidden soul level. As if it reflects who I really am...Still trying to understand Draco-Natal and Synastry aspects/comparisons though... IP: Logged |
pvorb
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posted November 29, 2013 06:42 PM
I like it that my draconic AC, Sun, Moon are all cardinal signs. I mean, when I read that strong people have strong cardinal emphasis and I had none of them in cardinal, I was like; but I'm a strong person damn it! So my draconic chart is just like how I'd want it to be.  IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted November 29, 2013 06:57 PM
I am a Sag Sun, Venus, Merc (11H) and Gem Moon (5H) in Draconic and this fits me SO well it's uncanny because it's literally how I live my life. In Sidereal charts I am Gem Sun and Merc and Sag Moon. It would fit as well.Sun/Moon Midpoint is Pisces/Virgo and conj my Natal Desc/Asc. Mc/IC is conjunct my Natal Sun/Moon Midpoint in Libra/Aries. Draconic asc and mars is in Cap and conj my Natal Moon. I still have the Pluto and Uranian tendencies from house placements but all in all the Draconic is me. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted November 29, 2013 07:34 PM
So you treat these aspects and conjunctions like a synastry chart with yourself.. hmm that's basically natal chart hahaSo venus/jupiter is pretty intense
natal Venus opposite draco jupiter
Draco venus conjunct natal venus.
Natal and draco venus square jupiter. Weird.. IP: Logged |
pvorb
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posted November 29, 2013 07:40 PM
You only count the conjunctions from what I've understood. Conjunctions to the angles are especially important. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted November 29, 2013 07:51 PM
So would you treat those conjunctions like natal conjunctions?IP: Logged |
pvorb
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posted November 29, 2013 08:07 PM
Nah, scratch that, they use all the aspects with conjunctions and oppositions being the most important.
http://www.falconastrology.com/draconic.html
And yeah, I guess?
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popcorn
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posted November 30, 2013 04:00 PM
OMG :-)
I checked out a friend of mine. She and her husband are soulmates and have two children. Composite sun conj Nymphe quinkunks Draconic composite Sun conj Nymphe Composite venus conj mars quinkunks Draconic venus conj mars DR composite sun conj Nymphe conj his DR eros exactly and hers N vesta
DR composite venus conj DR composite mars conj hers Natal psyche conj his Natal lust conj eros His Draconic uranus conj composite BML conj Eros Draconic composite nessus conj hers Dracon eros conj his N juno conj N saturn. His DR bacchus conj DR nymphe conj hers N psyche His DR bacchus conj DR nymphe conj DR composite venus conj mars. Draconic composite moon conj Draconic composite eros. This couple struggle with something, does anyone want to guess?
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Mercurian Intellect
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posted November 30, 2013 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
The Navamsha is like the Vedic Draconic.
The way Kapieel Raaj explains it on KRS is the Navamsa is the Signal, and the Lagna is the Radio
I can't decide which is the most accurate.
My thoughts go to Vedic, then tropical, the 13 sign chart seems good but i go from having a big load of Scorpio to just a Natal Ophiuchus Sun conjunct Scorpio Mercury H1, with Pluto/Jupiter on the ascendant in Libra. The degree's are right, so i'm not sure, i can't see any reasons why it shouldn't work. The tropical maps degree's of space but that doesn't change it still cores the constellations.
The Tropical was the astrology of the Piscean age, lasting the exact 2000 years, near on. So what do you think is going to be brought in now entering the Aquarian? This is what makes me feel the 13sign chart, i relate to it, and Ophiuchus is very much alive, more so than Scorpio(7deg).
Do you think Pluto/Jupiter/Ascendant in Libra would give a Scorpionic influence? Though Mercury in Scorpio is at a far conjunction (10 orb).
Just go with whatever chart that fits you the best.
That's what I do
For me it's:
Vedic > Tropical > Draconic (Sidereal) > Draconic (Tropical) > Sidereal > Thai > Navamsa > 13 Sign > Heliocentric (Sidereal) > Progressed (Sidereal) > Progressed (Tropical) > Heliocentrc (Tropical)
That's all the different kinds of charts that I know of.
The Duad Chart is not even one. Duads are 2 1/2 degrees of a sign. For instance, my Sun is in Gemini's Duad because it is at 23.58 degrees Virgo.
These are what Duads actually are. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1216
That Duad Chart is something else. It's one of the Harmonic Charts, not a Duad. I'm not exactly sure of that whole order, but Vedic is the one that definitely fits me the best. (I never seen my 13 Sign Chart, btw) IP: Logged |
FireMoon
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posted November 30, 2013 07:35 PM
It's crazy how draco-natal conjunctions can be mirrored in the tropical chart...I have draco moon conjunct natal Venus. Tropical moon sextile venus, also my tropical ASC ruler is moon in the 5th, and Venus rules my 5th house
Draco Pluto conjunct natal Sun. Tropical Sun sextile Pluto, Pluto singleton in intercepted Scorpio.
Draco Sun conjunct natal MC in Pisces. Tropical Sun sextile MC, and tropical Sun conjunct Neptune I can't even start thinking about draco-tropical synastry and composites lol IP: Logged |
jjj
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posted December 01, 2013 09:59 AM
Comparing DR and tropical natals between someone and myself (all orbs are under 1 degree):his DR sun is conjunct my tropical IC
his DR venus in conjunct my tropical Pluto
his DR Jupiter is opposite my tropical Venus my DR Neptune in conjunct his tropical Saturn
my DR Sun is conjunct his tropical Moon Does it mean unresolved karma in these areas? IP: Logged |
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