posted November 30, 2013 06:22 PM            

As Scorpios we instinctively know few things and say few things as you know. As a Scorpio at times I do not try to exert power consciously.Even when we are being simple straight forward it is very difficult for other people. So my question is that as you would read above link as it talks about bit about power and how we accidentally making people hate us.

Not that we care (but I think we do as well)and I have been learning more and more that it is rather easy to **** off people and that's fine.

posted November 30, 2013 07:00 PM            

I do say heartfelt sorry when I have to if I am fully aware of my mistake. I think saying sorry and admitting failure is like agreeing to limitation. It is like an insult to your ownself. So you are supposed to love yourself and then somebody comes and point out all wrong things with you.( which I may / may not agree with that person, I need time to think about it. Other people can never value your true potential) You have to be humble and be sorry and then again love yourself like things which you are just made felt **** about. How does that work ? Then people say we have lot of self hate ??? Maybe it is growth. It is really confusing for me !!

It is actually to apologizing to someone in that scenario is being 2 faced and not standing up for yourself. I either agree with someone who says I am **** . If I agree I am **** I would do anything in this world to get things right and sincerely apologize. If I do not agree with them I really can not change their opinion and they would continue to hate me. If I am not sure whether I agree with them or not is like a major problem for me, where it doesn't make sense or to the opponent.

I think in the world in which we live in it might be just better to tell people to say sorry for everything but then how are you not being a doormat? You disagree later and then how are you not flippant and hypocrite.

It might be just better to say I would think about it rather than to say anything because most people hate to go to journey of figuring out what my opinion on something is.

posted November 30, 2013 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Scorpios are dumb and try to fight against human nature. They don't want to be defined as simply human, so they will rather self-destruct than swallow their pride, give in, and admit that they want to love and be loved. Scorpios have trouble learning and whether they realise this or not, they don't want to be caught as weak. Really, Scorpios have to learn to admit their own mistakes and faults and learn that it's okay if they make wrongs. Scorpio wants bonds, but they fight against themselves when it comes to saying sorry - the very thing essential to healthy relationships. Are you p#ssed off with one? Their nature tells them to go down in flames and p#ss you off more than say they made a mistake and try to make amends. Scorpios need to learn this only holds them back.

And this comes from a Scorpio.

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I was generally talking about me and other sign random people. Not any particular Scorpio.

However your post reminds me of another Scorpio who wouldn't say sorry for specific thing but he did for something else. I think I kind of understand him better after the post. I do not think he has realized his mistake or he doesn't think his mistake and that's fine because I have had peace with the problem.

posted November 30, 2013 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I don't think I've ever really disliked a scorpio because of these antics, they don't really annoy me.

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Good for you Kerosene. I am looking more confident people around me. It is too much hassle to keep up with people who are insecure and ************ , I see right through them. Same insecure people would be first one to call me mean and to tear me down and my confidence. I really sometimes wonder if I deserved all this criticism or not having their vote of being popular. Most times I get blinded by people's love and I love people, a bit too much.I have Saturn in 11th. Fear of loneliness and nobody is ever going to love me is like crazy!!! especially after transit.
Even though I know it isn't real. I am quiet insecure about relationship and when I have eliminated bad relationship in the past. People have made me scared further by saying " oh you are burning bridges." , " you are not good in relationship" and "you are going to die alone." I go quiet back and forth knowing what I should do as sometimes some answer are just not very clear.

posted November 30, 2013 07:32 PM            

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"you are going to die alone."

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posted November 30, 2013 07:35 PM            

I have trouble apologizing for important things and all the Scorpos I know are the same way. It's hard for us to say we're truly sorry and beg for forgiveness. It feels like we're being weak and pathetic. That's just how it is.

But it doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.
I'm learning to be more open with my emotions and overall more honest - it's more difficult, but much more rewarding in the long run, because repression leads to many complications (guilt, anger, destructiveness).

Admitting to being wrong feels like losing power, that's why it's so scary. Losing power means appearing weak and vulnerable, and letting someone else see the vulnerability means they can take advantage of that and hurt us.
Because it seems that most people are naturally inclined to take some perverse pleasure in seeing others struggling or experiencing some kind of trouble, or negative emotion. "Schadenfreude", you know.

Maybe Scorpios / Plutonic types are just more aware of the darker side of people and know how dramatically things can change in a matter of seconds. Maybe it's a cynical vision of the world, maybe it isn't.

Anyway, rambling.

Still think apologizing takes a lot of courage and I admire people who can sincerely ask for forgiveness, without going to extremes (then it becomes the "doormat" type and that's definitely not something a Scorpio would admire, generally speaking).

posted November 30, 2013 07:45 PM            

I think "being mean/evil" is when you "enjoy" seeing that your words/actions hurt others. If your words/actions are delivered without that intention, then nah.

Wth what those people said are uncalled for. Oh well, better to die alone than to have people like that hanging near.

posted November 30, 2013 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
Sometimes I really worry that what they are saying is true and seriously if something is wrong with me. I am not sure where the truth lies.

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Do you have a Neptune or Saturn transit right now, 4life?

posted November 30, 2013 08:12 PM            

I have Neptune in 1st house, so I am forever lost. ha ha !
Although I also have Jupiter in 1st. I like that.
I am not sure what people see in me "Expanding dream" maybe ?

Neptune in 1st House from cafe astrology

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You might express yourself artistically, and come across as gentle, sensitive, and dreamy, especially if Neptune is close to the Ascendant (within 10 degrees). You are extremely sensitive to your environment. Others tend to see whatever they want to see in you, and you thus can come across very differently to different people. You might tend to encourage this, even without knowing. Your appearance and mannerisms tend to be chameleon-like. You are a peace-loving person. While you don't come on strong, you can be subtly alluring and intriguing. Others can be drawn to you and feel that you understand them. You can be moody and your first reaction to problems might be to escape or to feel sorry for yourself, or helpless. You may not feel a strong sense of identity and struggle with your own impressionability. Like a sponge, you absorb the moods of others. Your imagination is powerful. You have an easygoing manner - a "what will be, will be" approach to the world.

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Pluto in Capricorn impacting your 1st house You will be asked to step into the volatile world of power, business and will have to challenge the authority figures around you. With Pluto impacting your 1st house at this time you will be given a position of power as Pluto explosion occurs. You will have walked into the world of business, power, and authority. You will be placed in a position to challenge the previous authority and ethics as you are a power in the revolutionary changes that are slated to occur during this transition of Pluto moving into Capricorn. The 1st house rules leadership and with the explosion of Pluto opening the doors to your leadership ability, you will be faced with Pluto's powerful process of requiring that you walk through the trial by fire pathway of Sagittarius since 1995 in order to be prepared for the positions of power that Pluto has in store for you. You will have moved up through the ranks of the intensity of the inferno to show your capability of handling the true authority and power that will be given to you as Pluto moves into Capricorn. Your image will go through a complete makeover and you will have to stand up in your true leadership potential, whether you want to or not. Within the challenges of this Pluto event, you will be faces with Pluto's call to power!

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I have Pluto Transits between last degrees of my first house so I can understand it is really asking me to take my power but when I do, I feel that I am getting kind of opposition and power struggles.When I do try to portray myself I get very quickly bashed.

I also have Saturn transits in 11th house.

posted November 30, 2013 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:

I think "being mean/evil" is when you "enjoy" seeing that your words/actions hurt others. If your words/actions are delivered without that intention, then nah.

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Thank you for that because at times I have just reacted to things on basis of the circumstances but not spending time scheming or had any pleasure out of it.

posted December 01, 2013 06:25 AM            

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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
Thank you very much for all your support.

I have Neptune in 1st house, so I am forever lost. ha ha !
Although I also have Jupiter in 1st. I like that.
I am not sure what people see in me "Expanding dream" maybe ?

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i have similiar placements - Neptune in 1H and Saturn in 11H and it is hard with relationships.

You take your friendships way too seriously and give so much but always feel they feel unappreciated. People always have this imaginary perception of you. Maybe they think you are this great friend who will listen to them talk and be sympathetic and non-judgemental towards them but in reality, you aren't someone who gives back enough reactions so in the end they think you don't care(although you do).

posted December 01, 2013 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I don't think I've ever really disliked a scorpio because of these antics, they don't really annoy me.

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I can get really, really annoyed by Scorpio antics, but at the same time I find them cute, which infuriates me even more.

posted December 01, 2013 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
i have similiar placements - Neptune in 1H and Saturn in 11H and it is hard with relationships.

You take your friendships way too seriously and give so much but always feel they feel unappreciated. People always have this imaginary perception of you. Maybe they think you are this great friend who will listen to them talk and be sympathetic and non-judgemental towards them but in reality, you aren't someone who gives back enough reactions so in the end they think you don't care(although you do).

I can't even teach how to overcome it. The best possible way to it is just to take relationships lightly.

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It feels better, I am not alone.
I think I also realized from your post that not only relationship also to take dreams lightly. I have got obsessed about things I have dreamed of and it is very important to me.

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People always have this imaginary perception of you. Maybe they think you are this great friend who will listen to them talk and be sympathetic and non-judgemental towards them but in reality, you aren't someone who gives back enough reactions so in the end they think you don't care(although you do).

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I was thinking exactly this thing that I didn't say ever that I was really good at relationship. It just other people just started to make all those demands. I do not think people are born with this great relationship skills.