posted December 02, 2013 10:09 AM            

One thing they teach is that the Nodes chart (which is actually a mirror chart to the Draconic btw, so the conjunctions will stay intact, just falling into different signs/ houses) is the chart of the soul, shadow and karmic past (shadow does not mean something negative here, but simply that it influences the present; personally I think it does not really make that big of a difference if i believe it comes from a past life or out of the subconscious or soullevel).

Anyway, they consider Sun, Moon and Saturn to be the personality planets, and I read that in a soulgroup/family-connections, these personality planets will have connections in the nodes chart to each other.

For this "click-chart" they only consider the primary aspects, conjunctions and oppositions, and instead of saying that Sun is in PIsces, in htis chart, they consider it to be a 12th house sun (it is just a matter of terminology anyway).

oh and they use different orbs: primary aspects of Sun and Moon have an orb of 9 degrees; SAturn`s primary aspects have an orb of 6 egrees

Also, their system relies on the use of Koch-houses, and nothing else. (while I am usually very adamant about Placidus, I accept the Koch system in the frame of their astrological-system, cause it is simly built on it and researched and apparently works for them only with Koch houses).

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However, I checked my chart against my parent`s charts, and it was most intriguing.

my Sun-Mercury-conjunction is isolated in ALL the charts they consider (normal radix, house-chart and nodes chart).

However in my nodes chart I have Sun on 14° in the 12th house (or Pisces).

my Dad has his nodes-Moon on 9° in 12th house;
my Mums nodes-Moon is on 11° of 6th house.

So, as a matter of fact my nodes Sun is aligned with their nodal Moon-Moon-opposition.

This is very interesting, as i have always felt like I am integrating their very different temperaments within myself.
I sort of embody (Sun) their instinctive Selves. Intersting.

(there are more connections, but I found this one too fitting to not mention it ).

posted December 02, 2013 04:17 PM            

To read the node charts you have to be a bit of counting.

Or, you calculate your Draconic, and make the contrascia of each draco-position - this is the same as the positions in the Huber Nodes charts.

orbs for conjunction/ oppositions are:

Sun, Moon: 9°
Mercury, Venus, Jupiter: 7°
Mars, SAturn: 6°
Uranus, Neptune, Pluto: 5°

Let me take my own nodes chart as example:

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and his

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In my nodes chart Venus is on 4 degree of the 12th house (ignore the signs).

in his nodes chart Saturn is on about 5 degrees of the 12th house, and his SN is on about 8 or 9 degrees of the 12th house.

This gives us a "click-conjunction" of my Venus to his Saturn-SN on the area of the 12th house.

The Api, or Huber school of astrology believes in past lives and karma, and I suppose this would be interpreted as a real long story between our souls. lol

However, it could equally well be interpreted as a interlocking in the subconsciousness.

Another click, exists in the form of an opposition,

as his nodes charts Sun-Moon-conjunction falls onto 3 and 4 degrees of 9th house, opposite my Pluto on 1 deree of 3rd house.

This is even more interesting, as my nodes charts Pluto is conjunct my house chart`s (expression- or environment-chart) Moon on 6 degree of the 3rd house.

This means that even without him, just by myself, I have Moon-Pluto-business, sort of my very unique karmic set up, or Pluto operating from the subconsciousness and pinching my rather airy lofty Moon in the normal chart.
It is not just as easy-breezy as it pretends to be, I suppose.
(I do also have my nodes chart Uranus conjunct my Venus - but that is a topic for another day, though interestingly he ALSO triggers this one, too! With his nodes Venus nevertheless, intensifying it from the 8th house in his nodes chart, and shaking up the very foundation of my 2nd house Venus, though with my nodes charts Uranus opposite his nodes chart Venus, I suppose something from within me must have shaken up him first ).

Anyway, so in my very own karma-click-chart I have the Moon-Pluto-business.
And now he comes along and puts his nodes Sun-Moon, in an opposition to this.

But it is not enough with it, as in the normal houses chart my Pluto is conjunct his Sun-Moon-conjuntion at thecusp of the 10th house.

Interestingly he has his own Pluto-busines. Just for him it is nodes charts Pluto being conjunct his usual Venus (in 11th house this time). And well my uranus is conjunct this combo, and shaking it up from the houses chart.

So how I behave in very actual, day to day sense (usually erratic, independent and unpredictable I suppose) is pitching up his Venus on the more conscious level, but beneath it comes along a nice little Plutonic vibe.

I am not sure if I am really explaining it understandably, as I have read so much about it this last weekend. lol

I think maybe the important info would be, that they are working with three charts.

1. Radix - the usual chart
Herein the signs are considered (and aspects of course) - describing temperament, motivation, personality, how you are, more or lss.

2. house chart
(they deem this the most important one, as it shows practically your environment).

It has a lot to do with what your environment did with all the traits that are inborn (seen from the Radix), how they supported it or did the other way.

It shows how you act on a day to day level, and this can be different from the radix.

The aspects herein are calculated from the degrees the planets have in houses.

For example, my Venus-Pluto-square in radix, becomes a trine in my housechart, as Pluto in 10th house and Venus in 2nd house are in trining houses and on the same hosue degrees.

3. the nodes chart:
sort of the subconscious, karmic, shadow chart.
That which comes up from deep inside your soul.
(like the Draconic - and it is its mirror chart).

posted March 31, 2015 12:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
You compare the houses in which they fall.
And only consider conjunctions and oppositions with the mentioned orbs.

To read the node charts you have to be a bit of counting.

Or, you calculate your Draconic, and make the contrascia of each draco-position - this is the same as the positions in the Huber Nodes charts.

orbs for conjunction/ oppositions are:

Sun, Moon: 9°
Mercury, Venus, Jupiter: 7°
Mars, SAturn: 6°
Uranus, Neptune, Pluto: 5°

Let me take my own nodes chart as example:

3. the nodes chart:
sort of the subconscious, karmic, shadow chart.
That which comes up from deep inside your soul.
(like the Draconic - and it is its mirror chart).

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Not with me it isn't. My draconic Sun is 2 Capricorn, so antiscia ~27 Sag and contrascia 27 Gemini. While the Huber "Houses Chart of the Lunar Nodes" Astrodienst chart is very difficult to read on the degrees since it seems to run backwards (but can't even be sure of that), the chart claims my Sun in that chart is either 28 or 2 degrees Leo. I'm a natal 28 Leo already as it is. The NN seems to be placed at what looks to be 6 Leo so matches my natal Ascendant, so am assuming the Sun is 28 Leo despite the signs and degrees running the other way around from the normal chart types.

The ASC of that Huber chart is either ~5 or ~25 Scorpio, my normal NN 26.09 Scorpio so would assume it to be the latter 25-26 or so. Which seems to suggest the MC is 25 Aquarius in the chart, the Sun being marked for the third house just "before" the IC with the houses seeming to "move" the right or normal way around although the signs and degrees seem placed backwards.

Either way, the Moon is placed at 0 Pisces as it is natally, too, same as most other things if looked, just the houses/NN changing. Nothing draconic or solstice point related at least in my case.

Unless you're saying that we don't get the actual Huber Nodes chart from Astro and do need to calculate the degree positions despite their seeming to give the chart on the site? I haven't read into the Huber system, but if it's that extra step on top, Astro giving the charts as they are seems a halfway step only then.

posted March 31, 2015 01:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
One thing they teach is that the Nodes chart (which is actually a mirror chart to the Draconic btw, so the conjunctions will stay intact, just falling into different signs/ houses) is the chart of the soul, shadow and karmic past (shadow does not mean something negative here, but simply that it influences the present; personally I think it does not really make that big of a difference if i believe it comes from a past life or out of the subconscious or soullevel).

For this "click-chart" they only consider the primary aspects, conjunctions and oppositions, and instead of saying that Sun is in PIsces, in this chart, they consider it to be a 12th house sun (it is just a matter of terminology anyway).

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Still leaves the Huber Nodes NN at my natal Ascendant by the look of things, and though rereading your first comment can see where the 27 Gemini/third house for my Sun in the Huber Nodes chart might come in now, the next hurdle comes with the extra step with the NN at the ASC then, when all draconic NNs are the 0 Aries? Gaah or not as per the stated rule, as a first note or whatever.

(And would it kill Astrodienst to list something more clearly, when I'm not sure I can count how many degrees of the 4th house the Huber NN of that chart is now then? Looks to be 19 degrees into the 4th house, but again, as if could tell, and is that then supposed to correspond to 19 Cancer in comparison to regular charts?)

Sabian:
PHASE 110 (CANCER 20°): VENETIAN GONDOLIERS GIVING A SERENADE.
KEYNOTE: Happiness as an overtone of social integration and conformity to custom.
http://sabiansymbols.typepad.com/my_weblog/201 0/07/solar-eclipse-venetian-gondoliers-in-a-serenade-julys-cancerian-new-moon.html

Huber Nodes Moon at 25 of the Ninth house/Sag in any case, having the natal opposition with the Sun and all. Saturn end up basically where it was even with adjustments, from 27 Cancer to 1 Sag draconic to Huber's apparent 28 degrees of the fourth house, or 28 Cancer?

Huber Venus ~19 "Gemini/third", my Antivertex, Huber Pluto ~18 second house/Taurus square my Sun/ASC and Venus/Saturn midpoints among other things, so... what do you then do with the positions and/or hits is the next question? Argh these things.