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Topic: "It" Factor / Star Power
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CupOfDavid
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From: Canada
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted December 03, 2013 09:23 PM
  
I have searched deep into the archives of LindaLand to figure this out, but can't seem to find a concrete answer. I've read about indicators of fame in birth charts, but what astrological aspects give a celebrity great star power?I'm not talking about your run-of-the-mill celebrities; I'm talking about the celebrities that draw huge crowds, are held in high regard and live on years after their deaths -- the celebrities that make other celebrities stand and gawk in awe. Celebrities like Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Oprah Winfrey (living celebrities are a bit difficult to pin down, but Oprah is, well, Oprah), Elizabeth Taylor, and Marilyn Monroe (I'm kind of "obsessed" with her at the moment; hence, the thread). What planet, asteroid, or house aspects give someone that special something; that je ne sais quoi? Could it be the 7th house, a Quintile or BiQuintile, Ganymede, or a rare combination of such things? Why are some celebrities in a complete league of their own? Let me know what you think below!  IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae
Knowflake Posts: 1364
From: Venice, California, US
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 03, 2013 09:54 PM
Seriously, Venus/Mars=Sun is a biggie. I'm seeing Eros prominent, too. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted December 03, 2013 10:52 PM
Do you mean Sun conjuncting mid-point of Venus and Mars? what orb do you use for conjunction with midpoint?IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae
Knowflake Posts: 1364
From: Venice, California, US
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posted December 03, 2013 10:56 PM
Yes. Sun on Venus/Mars MP. I typically prefer 2° conjunction. Obviously, oppositions and squares apply - but in my research, conjunction within 2°.IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae
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posted December 03, 2013 10:57 PM
It's a very charismatic, 'show-stopping' personality. There's an innate sense of handling 'fame'. IP: Logged |
CupOfDavid
Knowflake Posts: 40
From: Canada
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted December 03, 2013 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Do you mean Sun conjuncting mid-point of Venus and Mars? what orb do you use for mid-point?
Oh, is that what "Venus/Mars=Sun" meant?How important are mid-points anyway? I've never really looked into them. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 7771
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 03, 2013 10:58 PM
Hmm midpoints interesting.
What about venus/mars midpoint conjunct moon?
Does that count?
Hmm what if moon is a chart ruler and in the 10th house LOL that would probably give it more of an impact.IP: Logged |
stargazer21
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posted December 03, 2013 11:18 PM
I've noticed Leo placements... but never really Leo sun. It's usually leo venus, mars and sometimes Merc. Idk something about Leo just draws people in. Marilyn, Elvis, Michael and Liz all had a prominent Neptune/Pisces placement. So Neptune/Pisces + Leo??? Also, how can I find my midpoints? IP: Logged |
CupOfDavid
Knowflake Posts: 40
From: Canada
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted December 03, 2013 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by stargazer21:
I've noticed Leo placements... but never really Leo sun. It's usually leo venus, mars and sometimes Merc. Idk something about Leo just draws people in. Marilyn, Elvis, Michael and Liz all had a prominent Neptune/Pisces placement. So Neptune/Pisces + Leo??? Also, how can I find my midpoints?
Interesting.On Astro.com, under Chart Drawing Style, choose "Ebertin style (w. midpoints)" or "Keller style (w. midpoints)," and click on Additional Tables above the circular chart on the next page. IP: Logged |
CupOfDavid
Knowflake Posts: 40
From: Canada
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted December 03, 2013 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Yes. Sun on Venus/Mars MP. I typically prefer 2° conjunction. Obviously, oppositions and squares apply - but in my research, conjunction within 2°.
Marilyn's Mercury/Mars midpoint is exactly conjunct her Venus and her Uranus/Neptune midpoint is conjunct her Sun. Also, she has many midpoints -- ASC/Uranus, Venus/Pluto, Mars/Neptune and Pluto/Chiron -- conjunct her Mercury by less than 1 degree.I'm sorry, but I'm totally fascinated by her right now. I find it amazing how she steals every scene that she's in. I'm gonna have to look into midpoints tonight.  IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
Knowflake Posts: 2659
From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets somehow.
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted December 03, 2013 11:33 PM
What can Venus/Mars midpoint conjunct Mercury mean?
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anonymidarkness
Knowflake Posts: 4537
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posted December 03, 2013 11:55 PM
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stargazer21
Knowflake Posts: 146
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posted December 04, 2013 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stargazer21:
[b]I've noticed Leo placements... but never really Leo sun. It's usually leo venus, mars and sometimes Merc. Idk something about Leo just draws people in. Marilyn, Elvis, Michael and Liz all had a prominent Neptune/Pisces placement. So Neptune/Pisces + Leo??? Also, how can I find my midpoints?
Interesting.On Astro.com, under Chart Drawing Style, choose "Ebertin style (w. midpoints)" or "Keller style (w. midpoints)," and click on Additional Tables above the circular chart on the next page.[/B][/QUOTE] I just checked and all of the celebrities listed with the exception of Elvis had a planet in Leo! I'm really interested in the Sign of Leo.I've tried to do some research on Leo but I keep finding the mundane pop astrology stuff >.< IP: Logged |
aah08
Knowflake Posts: 85
From: Campeche,Mexico
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted December 04, 2013 12:31 AM
I found I have my venus/mars midpoint at 12° Leo and my natal sun is at 15° Leo...it is to wide to called it a conjunction??
Interesting...IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae
Knowflake Posts: 1364
From: Venice, California, US
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 04, 2013 12:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
[b]Do you mean Sun conjuncting mid-point of Venus and Mars? what orb do you use for mid-point?
Oh, is that what "Venus/Mars=Sun" meant?How important are mid-points anyway? I've never really looked into them. [/B][/QUOTE] It truly depends. I've been floored. It's like a hidden connexion that's operating unconsciously. Personal story. I recently was positively dominated by the most adorable 3 year old girl. Now, I've seen her a few times with her family. This time, we were at a theatre for my stepdaughter's premiere. I was the only thing in the room. Not kidding! She didn't care about either of her parents there, or any of the other kids. It was ME she wanted. I'm thinking: what on earth? Her Sun is 4° conjunct my Venus. Well, okay ... Her Venus is at 18° Libra, and her Mars at 20°. That makes her Venus/Mars 19° Libra. My Sun? 19° Libra. Oh, and my Venus/Mars? 19° Libra. Action + Affection. Charisma. Passionate fascination. That girl thinks I hung the moon. I've never been so honoured, heh. But now I know why!  IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae
Knowflake Posts: 1364
From: Venice, California, US
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 04, 2013 01:02 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kerosene:
Hmm midpoints interesting.
What about venus/mars midpoint conjunct moon?
Does that count?
Hmm what if moon is a chart ruler and in the 10th house LOL that would probably give it more of an impact.[/QUOTEI'd say when the chart-ruler's involved, and prominently placed near the MC, that's going to give a sort of emotional charisma - in your case. Very potent. Persuasive. The public would identify and empathise with you. They just get slack-jawed with us V/M=Sunners. ;p Of course, I also get a kind awe-stricken 'power' response. They stick with me through thick-and-thin. I'm a very capable leader to them. A bit of a Kubrick at times, though. Sun-Pluto=Venus/Mars explains that. BML is there, too. My costar's Moon is right opposite, and Mars 1° conjunct. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 7771
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 04, 2013 01:11 AM
Oh it's not me.
My friend is an actor has had this placement so I was wondering.
I suppose being able to invoke emotional charisma is a plus for an actor.I noticed she can be frosty and a bit awkward but everyone is drawn in and still trying as hard as they can to break through the barriers.
Kinda like kristen stewart, she's so unpleasant yet so popular... IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae
Knowflake Posts: 1364
From: Venice, California, US
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 04, 2013 01:15 AM
Absolutely. That's a wonderful placement. Especially with the MC involvement. He's using it well!IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae
Knowflake Posts: 1364
From: Venice, California, US
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 04, 2013 01:17 AM
quote:
Originally posted by aah08:
I found I have my venus/mars midpoint at 12° Leo and my natal sun is at 15° Leo...it is to wide to called it a conjunction??
Interesting...
All depends if you've got anything supporting it, like another personal point, or a 'personal' outer - as it can give prominence. Especially Neptune or Pluto. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae
Knowflake Posts: 1364
From: Venice, California, US
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 04, 2013 01:19 AM
quote:
Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
[b]Yes. Sun on Venus/Mars MP. I typically prefer 2° conjunction. Obviously, oppositions and squares apply - but in my research, conjunction within 2°.
Marilyn's Mercury/Mars midpoint is exactly conjunct her Venus and her Uranus/Neptune midpoint is conjunct her Sun. Also, she has many midpoints -- ASC/Uranus, Venus/Pluto, Mars/Neptune and Pluto/Chiron -- conjunct her Mercury by less than 1 degree.I'm sorry, but I'm totally fascinated by her right now. I find it amazing how she steals every scene that she's in. I'm gonna have to look into midpoints tonight. [/B][/QUOTE] NJ became very insightful to me due to her tragic loss of self. Hell, she never really developed it. But you can only go through life switching masques for so long until you long for, crave, a self-identity. Her tragedy led me to avoid something similar. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 7771
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 04, 2013 01:26 AM
Ahhh midpoints are really interesting.My moon/neptune midpoint conjuncts my s.o's sun/bml/ceres.
I'm like instinctively compelled be extra sensitive and nurturing.
This is like opposite my personality LOL. IP: Logged |
stargazer21
Knowflake Posts: 146
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Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 04, 2013 01:29 AM
Midheaven with venus/mars? Any info? IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 573
From: Pluto
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted December 04, 2013 01:31 AM
Hmmmm.... I've got quite a few things going on midpoint wise.
Perhaps most significant here would be Venus Conjunct Sun/Asc midpoint 1 degree. (according to Astro.com) Which Venus is my chart ruler. I need to learn more about midpoints. :/ IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 7771
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 04, 2013 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by stargazer21:
Midheaven with venus/mars? Any info?
Kirsten Stewart has it LOL. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae
Knowflake Posts: 1364
From: Venice, California, US
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 04, 2013 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Ahhh midpoints are really interesting.My moon/neptune midpoint conjuncts my s.o's sun/bml/ceres.
I'm like instinctively compelled be extra sensitive and nurturing.
This is like opposite my personality LOL.
Oooh, good one, Kero.  I'll have to look at mine. I get that way, too. Well, moreover, I get ... submissive. Really, genuinely, respectful and willing to assist, even cater to him in whatever way I can. Fortunately, he's such a complete gentleman, he never takes advantage of this. But I think we're both amused how such a regularly Lilith-incarnate strong-willed woman is all, 'would you like some more tea?'  Soooo pathetic. Exact conjunction of BML and Priapus, for those curious. Very active, too. Sun, Moon, Mars, Pluto, Eros, all in the mix. IP: Logged |
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