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I'm so cappy
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posted December 04, 2013 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a natal of course.

Anything apart from Neptune hard aspects and Neptune in the 1st?

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posted December 04, 2013 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in first? especially during early life. Ruler of 1st in 12th house?

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Rosalind
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posted December 04, 2013 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Saturn in first? especially during early life. Ruler of 1st in 12th house?

I have these aspects. Its true.

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theunknown
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posted December 04, 2013 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn conjunct sun, Asc,... Or square/opp
Libra, aqua sun.
Neptune conj Asc makes a person confused about his/her self.

Sun square ASC

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posted December 04, 2013 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A stellium conjunct the ascendant from twelve can cause one to be confused about oneself and not able to figure out strengths and weaknesses. There could be distorted beliefs about oneself.

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Ami Anne
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posted December 04, 2013 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune conj the Sun

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I'm so cappy
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posted December 04, 2013 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Neptune conj the Sun


Maybe it often works like that but I have this aspect and I have a strong sense of self. It's in Capricorn in the 5th house though which probably helps.

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posted December 04, 2013 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterPan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually don't think saturn has annything to do with it, yes saturn in the 1st might cause low self confidence but that does not conclude a low sense of self, neptune and the 12th house does that.

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I'm so cappy
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posted December 04, 2013 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not convinced either.

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11qwert11
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posted December 04, 2013 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 11qwert11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by theunknown:
Saturn conjunct sun, Asc,... Or square/opp
Libra, aqua sun.
Neptune conj Asc makes a person confused about his/her self.

Sun square ASC


I have saturn first house opp asc and aqua sun twelfth house. Early life essentially consisted of doing what other would tell me, in a sense decisions weren't made myself.

Dealt with a lot of depression from around 13-18. Sometimes it likes to swing by for a few weeks to a month and mess things up. But somehow I feel its as if its a learning lesson. Everything time I forget that lesson its back to basics and struggle with the inner-self.

Now in my early 20's I can see the differences between myself and others. Generally I have noticed people tend to be very emotion even about the little things tension between room mates because one of them decides to sleep in rather than wash dishes -.-

In a sense I've really become un-involved in the daily bs that most people find them self entangled in. -Probably aqua detachment and more serious nature first house Saturn.

Any one with similar experiences ?

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theunknown
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posted December 04, 2013 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 11qwert11:
I have saturn first house opp asc and aqua sun twelfth house. Early life essentially consisted of doing what other would tell me, in a sense decisions weren't made myself.

Dealt with a lot of depression from around 13-18. Sometimes it likes to swing by for a few weeks to a month and mess things up. But somehow I feel its as if its a learning lesson. Everything time I forget that lesson its back to basics and struggle with the inner-self.

Now in my early 20's I can see the differences between myself and others. Generally I have noticed people tend to be very emotion even about the little things tension between room mates because one of them decides to sleep in rather than wash dishes -.-

In a sense I've really become un-involved in the daily bs that most people find them self entangled in. -Probably aqua detachment and more serious nature first house Saturn.

Any one with similar experiences ?


You mean Saturn in 7th? Or Saturn Opp Sun in 7th?

Hm... I have noticed Aquas doing that a lot. My Aqua sun conjunct Saturn in 10th and I do that too. Must be rough with all that 12th house and neptunian influences.

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posted December 04, 2013 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 11qwert11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by theunknown:
You mean Saturn in 7th? Or Saturn Opp Sun in 7th?

My mistake its not Saturn opp asc its actually saturn conjunct asc.

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posted December 04, 2013 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dadoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun skipped step
Empty 1st house

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posted December 04, 2013 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depends on what you mean by 'weak sense of self'...
Do you mean someone who doesn't know who they are and what they wanna do in life?
Or someone who has low self-esteem and needs others to "tell them" what they should be doing and how they should think and feel and behave?

In the first case: Neptune afflictions in the natal or via transit, ASC connected to Neptune in some way. Maybe 12H.

In the second case: Sun/Moon opposition, Sun in the 7H... something like that.

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posted December 04, 2013 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Depends on what you mean by 'weak sense of self'...
Do you mean someone who doesn't know who they are and what they wanna do in life?
Or someone who has low self-esteem and needs others to "tell them" what they should be doing and how they should think and feel and behave?

In the first case: Neptune afflictions in the natal or via transit, ASC connected to Neptune in some way. Maybe 12H.

In the second case: Sun/Moon opposition, Sun in the 7H... something like that.


Ahahaha...it's true.
I have most of those aspects, and I do kind of wander through life (which, as it turns out, isn't so bad).

I don't really look to other people to tell me how to do things (the Leo AC and hard Pluto aspects won't have any of that business), but it can take me a really long time to make important decisions. Also, I internalize a lot of things that people say.

Saturn trine Sun is kind of helpful, though. I think it gives me a little more direction, once I figure out where I'm going.

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Krista_Kay_1993
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posted December 04, 2013 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Krista_Kay_1993     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have neptune conjunct my asc in the first house and i relate to this even though its capricorn but i like to think of cappy as spiritual though and not totally boring

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Odette
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posted December 04, 2013 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is purely based on experience - not the classic astrological interpretations.. I've often felt like people with a weak Mars (whether it is debilitated or harshly aspected) have a weaker sense of self.
My Mars is Cap and the opposite, Mars in Cancer - is in its fall. I've known several people with Cancer Mars online and offline who mention having issues with self-esteem.. They tend to always put others first - so they don't think about themselves enough to develop a proper sense of self.

Libra is another sign that can have issues (being the opposite of Aries) - primarily Libra Sun or Mars - because they are very focused on their partner and friends - and rarely pay attention *to* themselves.

With the Neptune conjunctions - the person has an 'odd' vibe.. Their sense of self can be very tied in with their spiritual beliefs, eg with God... but they still seem to know who they are.
Everyone who has a personal planet (specially the Sun and Moon) in conjunction with a transpersonal planet like Uranus, Neptune or Pluto - will have something strange or captivating about them. But it's not so much having a 'weak' self... just a very -weird- and -out of the ordinary- self.

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posted December 04, 2013 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Saturn in first? especially during early life. Ruler of 1st in 12th house?

Yep. I will say though it does get better with time- I promise!

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posted December 04, 2013 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chart ruler in 12th AND in hard aspect to Neptune.

Yeah... it's like everything. Low self-esteem (yet... not with some things - Leo Sun - depends on what it is)

Also, underestimation of value and abilities. (I'm assuming)
I'm told a lot that I am good at something or would be and no matter how hard I try to, I just can't see it as true or possible.

It's a weird sense of feeling that I have just huge, incredible things to offer the world. Yet, feeling that those things will always just be out of sight... out of range. Never to be tapped into.

EDIT: Odette mentioned weak Mars. That too... and square moon. Other things could influence but the theme so far has been Neptune and 12th.

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